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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Christians are the highest contributors to charity and community volunteering. Life would a lot different without them.[/quote]

Without Christians giving to Charities, we'd just have good people giving to charities which would hopefully include the former Christians. Could be, though, that Christians only would give to and volunteer for CHRISTIAN causes, thus helping them get into heaven, which is every Christian's goal.[/quote]

Are you genuinely uninformed or just make up stuff like this for fun?  Are you the Santa fairy person too?  Tinkerbell died because you didn't clap.  Mary Martin was very sad. [/quote]

Are you suggesting that getting into heaven is NOT every Christian's goal?  Granted, some people are just plain good.   However, if they are also Christian, they believe that their good works will get them into heaven when they die.   Somehow, they think they're different from other living things, like their precious pets that they "put to sleep" when they're old and sick.[/quote]

There is a spectrum of beliefs that people who identify as christian can have. Picking the "orthodox" denominations dogma doesn't include EVERY ONE OF THEM.  So can't you just make your points without overgeneralizing? Or is that too hard.

I identify as christian. I do not believe heaven is a place to get into. It is a state of consciousness that I can in principle experience now. Divine Order. And has everything to do with trusting and relying on God in all things, affirming wholeness, harmony, wisdom, abundance, and peace and not a damn thing to do with ticket punching performative "works." Unity. [/quote]

YOu may not think of heaven as a place to get into, but plenty of people do and some of them think that following the rules of only their religion will get them in.[/quote]

This is what I was responding to.[/quote]

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