MacArthur feeder panic

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always said, threads like this are a sign that change is underway at a DC school. Eastern has very similar stats to MacArthur, but there are no 50+ post threads handwringing about Eastern.

We went through this with Banneker a few years back. And Hardy before that. (Anyone else remember the annual discussion of when/whether Hardy would “flip”?)

When a bunch of people are invested enough to be anxious, and a bunch of others care enough to bother denigrating a school, it means the DCUM demographic is moving in.

I agree with your ultimate conclusion, but Eastern and MacArthur are very different schools.

At risk: Eastern 68%, MacArthur 39%
Diversity: Eastern 89% black 6% hispanic 3% white, MacArthur 59% black 17% hispanic 17% white

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always said, threads like this are a sign that change is underway at a DC school. Eastern has very similar stats to MacArthur, but there are no 50+ post threads handwringing about Eastern.

We went through this with Banneker a few years back. And Hardy before that. (Anyone else remember the annual discussion of when/whether Hardy would “flip”?)

When a bunch of people are invested enough to be anxious, and a bunch of others care enough to bother denigrating a school, it means the DCUM demographic is moving in.

I agree with your ultimate conclusion, but Eastern and MacArthur are very different schools.

At risk: Eastern 68%, MacArthur 39%
Diversity: Eastern 89% black 6% hispanic 3% white, MacArthur 59% black 17% hispanic 17% white

Fair enough. I guess my real point is that stats are a lagging indicator; contentious DCUM threads are a leading indicator.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I’m in DC. I just don’t wear rose colored glasses and get out of the bubble of low expectations in this city sometimes and have friends in the burbs.

If you can’t acknowledge deficits and accept the status quo, then there isn’t a path or avenue for improvements.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

DCPS schools are not good enough if you have a high performing kid.. You need to realize that so you know to supplement if you want to stay in the city.

The inadequate math offerings are important to know and understand.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I’m in DC. I just don’t wear rose colored glasses and get out of the bubble of low expectations in this city sometimes and have friends in the burbs.

If you can’t acknowledge deficits and accept the status quo, then there isn’t a path or avenue for improvements.

Telling people to move to the suburbs because all the DC schools they have access to suck won't lead to better DC schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always said, threads like this are a sign that change is underway at a DC school. Eastern has very similar stats to MacArthur, but there are no 50+ post threads handwringing about Eastern.

We went through this with Banneker a few years back. And Hardy before that. (Anyone else remember the annual discussion of when/whether Hardy would “flip”?)

When a bunch of people are invested enough to be anxious, and a bunch of others care enough to bother denigrating a school, it means the DCUM demographic is moving in.

I agree with your ultimate conclusion, but Eastern and MacArthur are very different schools.

At risk: Eastern 68%, MacArthur 39%
Diversity: Eastern 89% black 6% hispanic 3% white, MacArthur 59% black 17% hispanic 17% white

Fair enough. I guess my real point is that stats are a lagging indicator; contentious DCUM threads are a leading indicator.

Good insight.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I’m in DC. I just don’t wear rose colored glasses and get out of the bubble of low expectations in this city sometimes and have friends in the burbs.

If you can’t acknowledge deficits and accept the status quo, then there isn’t a path or avenue for improvements.

Telling people to move to the suburbs because all the DC schools they have access to suck won't lead to better DC schools.

Well most DC schools do suck. What would you have families do? Send their kids there and miraculously it is going to change esp in DCPS? Wishful thinking. Some families move to the burbs where many schools are much better and their kids needs are better met.

Now not all DC schools suck. There are a few decent ones but not many. These are the ones everyone talks about

You know what will lead to better DC schools is tracking and separating kids by abilities. Sadly that is not going to happen in DCPS. At least a few charters are doing it so there is that.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I’m in DC. I just don’t wear rose colored glasses and get out of the bubble of low expectations in this city sometimes and have friends in the burbs.

If you can’t acknowledge deficits and accept the status quo, then there isn’t a path or avenue for improvements.

It’s “low expectations” if your kid isn’t taking algebra 2 in 8th grade??? Uh…that’s more than a little unhinged. You seem to be racing your kid to some finish line, and I think you will both be disappointed when you never cross it. But go ahead and get ahead, get ahead, get ahead, get ahead. (Or go read what’s happening at Palo Alto high schools.)

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I’m in DC. I just don’t wear rose colored glasses and get out of the bubble of low expectations in this city sometimes and have friends in the burbs.

If you can’t acknowledge deficits and accept the status quo, then there isn’t a path or avenue for improvements.

It’s “low expectations” if your kid isn’t taking algebra 2 in 8th grade??? Uh…that’s more than a little unhinged. You seem to be racing your kid to some finish line, and I think you will both be disappointed when you never cross it. But go ahead and get ahead, get ahead, get ahead, get ahead. (Or go read what’s happening at Palo Alto high schools.)

Think you have a reading comprehension problem. No one said that.

It’s low expectations to say Algebra 1 in 8th grade is advance. It is not.

DCPS bills this as their “advance” math class so they don’t have to call the pre algebra class below it remedial.

You can name any class whatever you want. But is it really advanced or rigorous?

BTW the high performing kids in math are taking Algebra 2 just across the border from us. Plenty of kids un DC can handle it too.

The question we should be asking is why are not the kids in the city given the same opportunity?

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

DCPS schools are not good enough if you have a high performing kid.. You need to realize that so you know to supplement if you want to stay in the city.

The inadequate math offerings are important to know and understand.

I have/had two high performing kids in DCPS. Never supplemented anything. The older kid missed at least 30 days of school a year in high school.
He got 30 credits transferred from DCPS. College is easy. He has time to work 25 hours a week, which he really seems to enjoy.
I went to school abroad. I'm well aware how bad math is in DC/USA unless attending TJ like uncle.
The younger one should have even easier time in college. Easy As from DCPS and we can practice that SAT or whatever that test is. The rest is ability, which he has.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

DCPS schools are not good enough if you have a high performing kid.. You need to realize that so you know to supplement if you want to stay in the city.

The inadequate math offerings are important to know and understand.

I have/had two high performing kids in DCPS. Never supplemented anything. The older kid missed at least 30 days of school a year in high school.
He got 30 credits transferred from DCPS. College is easy. He has time to work 25 hours a week, which he really seems to enjoy.
I went to school abroad. I'm well aware how bad math is in DC/USA unless attending TJ like uncle.
The younger one should have even easier time in college. Easy As from DCPS and we can practice that SAT or whatever that test is. The rest is ability, which he has.

You have no experience in what it is like to have a younger kid in DCPS right now. The math is atrocious. It’s a horrid collision of the trend to stop teaching math facts effectively, getting rid of text books, utilization of online instruction, and the refusal to track. It doesn’t matter what kind of ability your kid has under all of these circumstances. That said from what I can tell, this is not only DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

This forum is for talking about DC schools. Writing the same thing (no DC school is good enough) over and over across multiple threads isn't really contributing to the conversation. You don't need to continually justify your own decision to move to the suburbs to us.

DCPS schools are not good enough if you have a high performing kid.. You need to realize that so you know to supplement if you want to stay in the city.

The inadequate math offerings are important to know and understand.

Except for BASIS.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.

Did Deal stop offering Algebra 2? My kid took it in 8th grade.

Many advanced math kids in DCPS take DE math classes at GW et al. Mine took two. I assume MCPS has a similar offering.