MacArthur feeder panic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

JR is losing families with high performing kids too. People are just leaving DCPS in general. College admits are not as good as in the past.
That’s the reality.

You offer no reason to distinguish between MacArthur and JR. Or MacArthur and Walls, for that matter.

Macarthur is 70% out of boundary and 40% at-risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

JR is losing families with high performing kids too. People are just leaving DCPS in general. College admits are not as good as in the past.
That’s the reality.

You offer no reason to distinguish between MacArthur and JR. Or MacArthur and Walls, for that matter.

Macarthur is 70% out of boundary and 40% at-risk.

Yes, I understand, the city should have forced all your neighbors to send their kids there against their will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

JR is losing families with high performing kids too. People are just leaving DCPS in general. College admits are not as good as in the past.
That’s the reality.

You offer no reason to distinguish between MacArthur and JR. Or MacArthur and Walls, for that matter.

Macarthur is 70% out of boundary and 40% at-risk.

Right, because it’s in its first year with a compulsory feed. And only in its 3rd year of existence.

If one were to use these numbers to predict upcoming years it would just be playing dumb or trolling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like people have never been in the building but have a lot of assumptions about what is happening there. They have open houses, you should go. On their acceptance wall are the likes of Howard, Princeton, American, Penn State, Maryland, Minnesota, NC A&T, and SCAD just to name a few. Kids can be very successful at MacArthur.

I'm not arguing any of those are bad schools, they are great schools. But those are comparable to Coolidge and this board would die before sending their kids to Coolidge. They've had Howard, Hopkins, Bucknell, Pitt, PSU, American, NCA&T, Spellman, Morehouse, Georgetown, the last two years.

But, kids on this board do send their kids to Coolidge. Both lists are good.

Do they? I mean I agree both lists are good but despite Coolidge being one of it not the fastest growing schools in the city I have never seen it come up favorably on DCUM. Maybe occasionally the pre college program. I don't read the site a lot but a whole lot of the Coolidge conversation is how to get your kid out of that pipeline and MacArthur doesn't seem to have that same conversation nearly as much.

People from less favored high schools don't tend to speak up a lot here because posters are super negative towards any high school parent who sends their kid to a school other than JR and possibly Walls.

Come on man! (to quote . . . ). No parents from Coolidge speak up here because . . there are NO PARENTS from Coolidge on DCUM! DCUM is an upper middle class forum. Coolidge is low SES school. Parents are low SES, likely low education levels . . they are not on DCUM. (they may be on Tik Tok or whatever, but they are not on listservs).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like people have never been in the building but have a lot of assumptions about what is happening there. They have open houses, you should go. On their acceptance wall are the likes of Howard, Princeton, American, Penn State, Maryland, Minnesota, NC A&T, and SCAD just to name a few. Kids can be very successful at MacArthur.

I'm not arguing any of those are bad schools, they are great schools. But those are comparable to Coolidge and this board would die before sending their kids to Coolidge. They've had Howard, Hopkins, Bucknell, Pitt, PSU, American, NCA&T, Spellman, Morehouse, Georgetown, the last two years.

But, kids on this board do send their kids to Coolidge. Both lists are good.

Do they? I mean I agree both lists are good but despite Coolidge being one of it not the fastest growing schools in the city I have never seen it come up favorably on DCUM. Maybe occasionally the pre college program. I don't read the site a lot but a whole lot of the Coolidge conversation is how to get your kid out of that pipeline and MacArthur doesn't seem to have that same conversation nearly as much.

People from less favored high schools don't tend to speak up a lot here because posters are super negative towards any high school parent who sends their kid to a school other than JR and possibly Walls.

Come on man! (to quote . . . ). No parents from Coolidge speak up here because . . there are NO PARENTS from Coolidge on DCUM! DCUM is an upper middle class forum. Coolidge is low SES school. Parents are low SES, likely low education levels . . they are not on DCUM. (they may be on Tik Tok or whatever, but they are not on listservs).

What the heck does TikTok have to do with anything except bigotry?

But I mean yeah there are not a whole lot of Coolidge parents and that's kind of the point. Coolidge has students going to comparable schools as MacArthur and people here would lose their minds about sending their kids there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like people have never been in the building but have a lot of assumptions about what is happening there. They have open houses, you should go. On their acceptance wall are the likes of Howard, Princeton, American, Penn State, Maryland, Minnesota, NC A&T, and SCAD just to name a few. Kids can be very successful at MacArthur.

I'm not arguing any of those are bad schools, they are great schools. But those are comparable to Coolidge and this board would die before sending their kids to Coolidge. They've had Howard, Hopkins, Bucknell, Pitt, PSU, American, NCA&T, Spellman, Morehouse, Georgetown, the last two years.

But, kids on this board do send their kids to Coolidge. Both lists are good.

Do they? I mean I agree both lists are good but despite Coolidge being one of it not the fastest growing schools in the city I have never seen it come up favorably on DCUM. Maybe occasionally the pre college program. I don't read the site a lot but a whole lot of the Coolidge conversation is how to get your kid out of that pipeline and MacArthur doesn't seem to have that same conversation nearly as much.

People from less favored high schools don't tend to speak up a lot here because posters are super negative towards any high school parent who sends their kid to a school other than JR and possibly Walls.

Come on man! (to quote . . . ). No parents from Coolidge speak up here because . . there are NO PARENTS from Coolidge on DCUM! DCUM is an upper middle class forum. Coolidge is low SES school. Parents are low SES, likely low education levels . . they are not on DCUM. (they may be on Tik Tok or whatever, but they are not on listservs).

This right here. No one is considering Coolidge. That is a very, very low bar.

I live EOTP and for non-selective high schools it’s all charters that families want to get in for middle or high school - DCI, Basis, and Latin.

BTW DCI and BASIS SAT scores are higher than JR and MA. I can’t speak for Latin but suspect so too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

I'm looking at the school report card and it says 89% of the students didn't meet or exceed expectations in math ... and 97% didn't in science.

HOky sh*t!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like people have never been in the building but have a lot of assumptions about what is happening there. They have open houses, you should go. On their acceptance wall are the likes of Howard, Princeton, American, Penn State, Maryland, Minnesota, NC A&T, and SCAD just to name a few. Kids can be very successful at MacArthur.

I'm not arguing any of those are bad schools, they are great schools. But those are comparable to Coolidge and this board would die before sending their kids to Coolidge. They've had Howard, Hopkins, Bucknell, Pitt, PSU, American, NCA&T, Spellman, Morehouse, Georgetown, the last two years.

But, kids on this board do send their kids to Coolidge. Both lists are good.

Do they? I mean I agree both lists are good but despite Coolidge being one of it not the fastest growing schools in the city I have never seen it come up favorably on DCUM. Maybe occasionally the pre college program. I don't read the site a lot but a whole lot of the Coolidge conversation is how to get your kid out of that pipeline and MacArthur doesn't seem to have that same conversation nearly as much.

People from less favored high schools don't tend to speak up a lot here because posters are super negative towards any high school parent who sends their kid to a school other than JR and possibly Walls.

Come on man! (to quote . . . ). No parents from Coolidge speak up here because . . there are NO PARENTS from Coolidge on DCUM! DCUM is an upper middle class forum. Coolidge is low SES school. Parents are low SES, likely low education levels . . they are not on DCUM. (they may be on Tik Tok or whatever, but they are not on listservs).

Thank you. Some of these parents live in la la land. I work for DCPS and wouldn’t send my kid to Coolidge. Unfortunately the harsh reality is that low ses families are faced with a lot of challenges and education often suffers. I wish it wasn’t so but this is where we’re at.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

JR is losing families with high performing kids too. People are just leaving DCPS in general. College admits are not as good as in the past.
That’s the reality.

You offer no reason to distinguish between MacArthur and JR. Or MacArthur and Walls, for that matter.

Sure I do.

MacA is subpar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

[Anonymous]

I’ve always said, threads like this are a sign that change is underway at a DC school. Eastern has very similar stats to MacArthur, but there are no 50+ post threads handwringing about Eastern.

We went through this with Banneker a few years back. And Hardy before that. (Anyone else remember the annual discussion of when/whether Hardy would “flip”?)

When a bunch of people are invested enough to be anxious, and a bunch of others care enough to bother denigrating a school, it means the DCUM demographic is moving in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like people have never been in the building but have a lot of assumptions about what is happening there. They have open houses, you should go. On their acceptance wall are the likes of Howard, Princeton, American, Penn State, Maryland, Minnesota, NC A&T, and SCAD just to name a few. Kids can be very successful at MacArthur.

I'm not arguing any of those are bad schools, they are great schools. But those are comparable to Coolidge and this board would die before sending their kids to Coolidge. They've had Howard, Hopkins, Bucknell, Pitt, PSU, American, NCA&T, Spellman, Morehouse, Georgetown, the last two years.

But, kids on this board do send their kids to Coolidge. Both lists are good.

Do they? I mean I agree both lists are good but despite Coolidge being one of it not the fastest growing schools in the city I have never seen it come up favorably on DCUM. Maybe occasionally the pre college program. I don't read the site a lot but a whole lot of the Coolidge conversation is how to get your kid out of that pipeline and MacArthur doesn't seem to have that same conversation nearly as much.

People from less favored high schools don't tend to speak up a lot here because posters are super negative towards any high school parent who sends their kid to a school other than JR and possibly Walls.

Come on man! (to quote . . . ). No parents from Coolidge speak up here because . . there are NO PARENTS from Coolidge on DCUM! DCUM is an upper middle class forum. Coolidge is low SES school. Parents are low SES, likely low education levels . . they are not on DCUM. (they may be on Tik Tok or whatever, but they are not on listservs).

Thank you. Some of these parents live in la la land. I work for DCPS and wouldn’t send my kid to Coolidge. Unfortunately the harsh reality is that low ses families are faced with a lot of challenges and education often suffers. I wish it wasn’t so but this is where we’re at.

Can you say why? And would you consider MacArthur? Because there doesn't seem to be a huge chas except race and surrounding area SES (though houses near Coolidge are not cheap)? I'm not advocating for Coolidge I'm simply asking why one is palatable and one is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet their senior class has gotten into phenomenal colleges/universities. Yep. Must be a terrible place. Full panic. 🙄

No kids at the school but I just looked up the SAT average and it’s abysmal at 964. There is a disconnect here with what you are saying.

What you call a “disconnect” is the simple statistical fact that the average does not define the upper bound of a distribution.

The SAT average at JR is 1083, and everyone knows the top kids there have high scores and attend great colleges. MacArthur is the same.

There is not many kids at the upper bound of distribution if the average is that low.

A few outliers does not define a good school with challenge and rigor.

The average scores will go up do to an increased number of kids on the high end.

There are more high-performing kids in the current 9th grade because that's the first class of Hardy kids to no longer have j-R as an option.

With that said, if DCPS actually wanted to create a successful rather than middling school, they would have given no Hardy students to the option to choose J-R.

Have you looked at CAPE scores? Not a lot of high performing kids coming from Hardy esp in math. Deal was the one contributing many mire high performing kids, the majority, when JR was the only feeder for both schools.

Also only about 1/2 Hardy families continued on to MA thus year. I would not consider that a lot of buy in. Scores will not miraculously go way up with such a small sample.

Hardy and Deal both have >95% of students meeting or exceeding on Geometry CAPE. Both the highest in the city.

For Algebra I, Deal had 92% meeting or exceeding, Hardy 84%. Only other school with higher rate was MacFarland at 86%.

We are talking high performing so look at exceeding only and Geometry or higher. Also take that and actually get absolute numbers of kids.

Meeting standards on coursework two years years ahead of grade level is not high performing? There are very few schools anywhere that are going to meet your standards then.

In any case, Deal had 63% level 5 on Geometry, Hardy 28%. Both the highest in the city.

Example of low expectations. Algebra 1 is the standard track and anything below that is remedial for any college bound kid. Geometry is just 1 year ahead. Algebra 2 in 8th is 2 years ahead.

People in the burbs would laugh in your face if you think Algebra 1 in 8th is advance.

So Deal has not only more than 2 times the number of high performing kids in percentages but also more than 2 times the absolute number of kids. Thanks for proving my point that majority of high performing kids going to JR in the past was from Deal.

Enjoy the suburbs I guess.

You should if you have a mathy and Stem kid because geometry and Algebra 2 are a standard part of the curriculum. Algebra 2 will get you to AP Calculus by 10th and you can go 2 years beyond that. TJ is the only school which offers even more advancement and if your kid is gifted, that is where they should go.

It’s shocking that the majority of DCPS middle schools don’t even offer Geometry. The few that do that is the highest. No Algebra 2. But I guess if 95% of the kids are below grade level in math, there is no point because you don’t have any kids who can do it.

Social promotion and low expectations is a vicious cycle that begets more.