State school admissions should not be wholistic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do we realized how hard it is to be top 10% in w schools? This county has almost the best public school system, if we don’t consider privates. Many top 10% students there could be top 1% in average schools.

Considering UMDCP ranks #46. There should be guaranteed acceptance, not only to top10%, probably 15%.

Why not guaranteed admission for all high school graduates?

Are you suggesting guaranteed admission to College park for all grads or to *a* college? Because we actually have excellent community colleges in Maryland, and all high school grads DO have guaranteed admission to those.
Guaranteed admission to CP is, of course, a stupid statement, given there are not unlimited resources at that one specific school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that you can bring your kid up in a state public school system from k to 12 and they can graduate with a perfect or near-perfect grade record and they don't get into your taxpayer-funded state college. There is an annual cycle of people in Maryland learning that going to a good public high school, taking hard classes, and getting good grades is not enough to get into UMDCP. Especially in MoCo. This is a system for distributing a government benefit, and it shouldn't be done through a mysterious black box and essentially random back room vibes.

It should be clear to every student no later than the first year of freshman year of high school what they will need to do to get into their state flagship. In a lot of states it is, but in particular in Maryland it is not and it is ridiculous. In Maryland kids are actively punished for attending good schools and working hard to do well.

It's all part of a unified public education system. If the people running the state university flagship don't think that the most academically accomplished high school graduates should attend the college, something is wrong.

Ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we realized how hard it is to be top 10% in w schools? This county has almost the best public school system, if we don’t consider privates. Many top 10% students there could be top 1% in average schools.

Considering UMDCP ranks #46. There should be guaranteed acceptance, not only to top10%, probably 15%.

Being top 10% at Whitman is way easier than living in poverty and being a target of systemic racism and still managing to make it to the top 10% at an under resourced school. Furthermore, the latter student brings a much needed perspective to the University that the UMC kid from Whitman does not bring.

Like what? What are they bringing to a CS class or an EE class specifically related to their background of poverty / systemic racism? What they are (or should be) bringing is their intellect which contributes to enhancing the content/quality of the class.

Ever heard of human centered design? Not all humans are identical.

[Anonymous]

I hear where OP is coming from, but I think they’re forgetting that lots of kids have the grades and scores plus loads of activities, rigor, etc.
My kid was high stats with rigor and good ECs. They’re at UVA after not getting into reaches. The OP just doesn’t get that there are many, many kids with these stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that you can bring your kid up in a state public school system from k to 12 and they can graduate with a perfect or near-perfect grade record and they don't get into your taxpayer-funded state college. There is an annual cycle of people in Maryland learning that going to a good public high school, taking hard classes, and getting good grades is not enough to get into UMDCP. Especially in MoCo. This is a system for distributing a government benefit, and it shouldn't be done through a mysterious black box and essentially random back room vibes.

It should be clear to every student no later than the first year of freshman year of high school what they will need to do to get into their state flagship. In a lot of states it is, but in particular in Maryland it is not and it is ridiculous. In Maryland kids are actively punished for attending good schools and working hard to do well.

It's all part of a unified public education system. If the people running the state university flagship don't think that the most academically accomplished high school graduates should attend the college, something is wrong.

I have been saying this forever about Crook-VA, Dollar-Billiam and Mary, and Pickpocket Tech. Rejecting a kid with a 4.0 is ludicrous and should be condemned.

So rigor should not be considered?
SAT scores should not be considered?

Easy classes and grade inflation makes for easy 4.0

[Anonymous]

You are not cutting big enough donor checks!

[Anonymous]

I think the OP is saying that UMD should take 50% of students from Whitman, Churchill, etc., because they are the smartest students. OP is confusing being smart with being privileged. OP, is English a 2nd language for you because your original post is almost unreadable

[Anonymous]

Stavy went to UMBC, enough said.

[Anonymous]

An auto-admit for top 5% or top 10% from MD high schools to UMD would make it much harder to get in, even in-state. All the kids right at the cusp of that class rank would struggle when they normally would consider UMD a safety. Look at UT Austin, all the non auto-admit in state kids are struggling to get in like never before.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, basically OP’s kid had good grades, no material extra-curricular and no story that they could articulate that made them standout from other academic bots. Reasonable summary?

This. We hear variations of this all the time here:

“TO should be banned,” so says the parent of a kid who tested well.

“1580 first try,” so says the parent looking sideways at a super scoring kid.

“1560, top 5% of class, denied/deferred?!??” So says parent of a kid who isn’t well rounded.

“Those ECs are a dime a dozen…they want a kid who can stand out. My kid stood out by x, y, z…” says the parent of a kid with good ECs.

“They should make essays done in person to stop AI use and/or adults helping,” so says parent of a strong writer.

Etc etc etc. everyone wants what helps their kid emphasized and what hurts their kid eliminated.

Congratulations on not being able to do math. Something like Texas’s 10% rule would make it harder for kids at the big MoCo schools to get into UMD. Like someone else said, it would actually increase admissions from other high schools. It would make it more fair. It would mean the kids know what they need to do. The taxpayer knows what they are getting and parents can make an informed choice about where their kid goes to school.

But shout out to everyone who doesn’t get that and instead just wants to attack other kids.

Congrats on being a poor reader. Op says admissions should not be holistic And that kids with “perfect or near-perfect grade record” should get in. So the parent mimics a sentiment above: the part of my kid’s app that is strong is what should matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that you can bring your kid up in a state public school system from k to 12 and they can graduate with a perfect or near-perfect grade record and they don't get into your taxpayer-funded state college. There is an annual cycle of people in Maryland learning that going to a good public high school, taking hard classes, and getting good grades is not enough to get into UMDCP. Especially in MoCo. This is a system for distributing a government benefit, and it shouldn't be done through a mysterious black box and essentially random back room vibes.

It should be clear to every student no later than the first year of freshman year of high school what they will need to do to get into their state flagship. In a lot of states it is, but in particular in Maryland it is not and it is ridiculous. In Maryland kids are actively punished for attending good schools and working hard to do well.

It's all part of a unified public education system. If the people running the state university flagship don't think that the most academically accomplished high school graduates should attend the college, something is wrong.

I have been saying this forever about Crook-VA, Dollar-Billiam and Mary, and Pickpocket Tech. Rejecting a kid with a 4.0 is ludicrous and should be condemned.

When did Donald Trump join DCUM?

What’s with the grade school playground name calling?

When did Virginia's public colleges start catering to Richie Rich and rejecting qualified students?

1819

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that public flagships in the South, and every private school, are full of high-stats kids from Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut.

These are high-tax states who are not focused on developing post-secondary options for high-stats kids.

If you have a problem with admission, question the State's educational mission.

The reasons are not that they can't get into their own state flagships; it's because they want warm weather and fun school. This is not a secret. What rock having you been living under?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that public flagships in the South, and every private school, are full of high-stats kids from Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut.

These are high-tax states who are not focused on developing post-secondary options for high-stats kids.

If you have a problem with admission, question the State's educational mission.

The reasons are not that they can't get into their own state flagships; it's because they want warm weather and fun school. This is not a secret. What rock having you been living under?

And because the Southern schools throw money at them to convince them to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that you can bring your kid up in a state public school system from k to 12 and they can graduate with a perfect or near-perfect grade record and they don't get into your taxpayer-funded state college. There is an annual cycle of people in Maryland learning that going to a good public high school, taking hard classes, and getting good grades is not enough to get into UMDCP. Especially in MoCo. This is a system for distributing a government benefit, and it shouldn't be done through a mysterious black box and essentially random back room vibes.

It should be clear to every student no later than the first year of freshman year of high school what they will need to do to get into their state flagship. In a lot of states it is, but in particular in Maryland it is not and it is ridiculous. In Maryland kids are actively punished for attending good schools and working hard to do well.

It's all part of a unified public education system. If the people running the state university flagship don't think that the most academically accomplished high school graduates should attend the college, something is wrong.

Maybe more families will start buying as Wheaton, another proud W school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that you can bring your kid up in a state public school system from k to 12 and they can graduate with a perfect or near-perfect grade record and they don't get into your taxpayer-funded state college. There is an annual cycle of people in Maryland learning that going to a good public high school, taking hard classes, and getting good grades is not enough to get into UMDCP. Especially in MoCo. This is a system for distributing a government benefit, and it shouldn't be done through a mysterious black box and essentially random back room vibes.

It should be clear to every student no later than the first year of freshman year of high school what they will need to do to get into their state flagship. In a lot of states it is, but in particular in Maryland it is not and it is ridiculous. In Maryland kids are actively punished for attending good schools and working hard to do well.

It's all part of a unified public education system. If the people running the state university flagship don't think that the most academically accomplished high school graduates should attend the college, something is wrong.

In Texas, the top 5% high school kids are guaranteed admission to its top public college (UT Austin), but there’s no guarantee that they’ll get into their first choice majors. Other TX colleges (including Texas A&M) will take the top 10% for sure, again to some major not necessarily your first choice. In practice, the top 5-10% of high school kids in Maryland ARE pretty much guaranteed a spot at UMD. I don’t see how imposing such a rule would make any practical difference.

Source? Can you confirm?