Brent v Maury v Capitol Hill Day for 26-27

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

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Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

Yeah you need to stop thinking you know everything. TONS of kids were added in the upper grades post-pandemic.

I mean, yikes, most Maury families I know are way better than this thread, but like the PP before this is right that all of this info is oubligalotba

Whatever information you have that Maury never has new kids past 1st grade is just laughably wrong. It just is.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

Yeah you need to stop thinking you know everything. TONS of kids were added in the upper grades post-pandemic.

I didn’t realize how clueless Maury parents were. You get very, very new few kids in upper grades. Your “TONS” is most kids normal. Like you apparently have no idea what most kids face; it’s crazy.

Look you are just 100% wrong. It’s possible there are some years where the upper grades retained more kids and didn’t need to be filled in, but given that families start to peel off in 3rd grade for various options with MS feeders, the upper grades are routinely filled in with new kids. The days when principles could decline to fill in available seats are over.

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Anonymous wrote:Aw, Brent is such a lovely school. Too bad you’re moving while they are in the swing space.
I’d go with Maury to avoid commute.

I would not go with Van Ness if your child is in 1st and not Pre-K.

I’m sure Van Ness is just fine for 1st grade.

A school where half the students are at risk and scores are low is not great for 1st. Kids learn many critical things in that grade so personally I wouldn’t want my kid to go to a school that’s ’just fine.’

It actually is just fine. You are looking at test scores for 3-5 grades at a school where the younger grades have a very different socioeconomics makeup. You think a few numbers on a page tells you something but actually you are ignorant.

So half the kids being at risk is a lie? That making a difference must also be a lie.

I am a coach for a DCPS school, I can see the kids iReady scores (from all schools). Just in case you are more daft than I think, iReady starts in K.

Nope, you don’t want to be there for first, if anyone is ‘ignorant’ it is you for not having all the information. Or perhaps you are an admin trying to advertise your mediocre school.

Why would a coach have access to the iReady scores of all students at all schools? Why would a coach for a particular school spend their time looking at students' scores from other schools?

If you care about average student performance, of course a school with 46% of kids at risk isn't going to be doing as well academically as somewhere like Brent with only 8% at risk. But it is still possible, albeit harder, for a school with a higher at risk percentage to have a cohort of students performing well academically, and for the school to find ways to support those students' continued academic success.

Yep, I sit around looking at other students scores, it’s not because I decided to look to prove my point.


I work at a title 1 school, there are higher performing students but believe me when I say it’s not just the staff -the difference is the parents and the level of outside support they can give.

And as a parent would you rather I just lie? Title 1 schools are not simply dealing with academics there is a whole heap of things teachers have to deal with -that makes it much more difficult to teach.

So fool yourself into thinking you are progressive or whatever it is you believe. If there is over 30% or so of at risk kids it is so much more difficult. Kids at schools 40% + need school and city supports, as well as higher standards that DC/DCPS refuses to give.

Not progressive at all. Just making the choices I think are best for my family for now. I would love if the school had better CAPE scores, but for early elementary I don't think it warrants moving or committing to long/multiple school commutes. I can see my own child's iReady scores. I know the kids in my child's peer group and their families.

I'm not sure why anyone would trust the advice of someone who admits to looking up student data just to "prove a point" on the internet. Seems very unprofessional.

And the advice of a random mother who only has the experience from a single child is more of an expert? Hm, ok.

Unprofessional? You act as if I posted scores, or even mentioned exact scores.

You may say ‘on the internet’ as if that equates to evidence not needing to be validated in some way. You tried to lie and insulate your claim that first is ‘fine.’ Or perhaps more than it being a lie, it’s just your own ignorance.

Now I won’t be replying on this matter again. Van Ness is not the worst school, there’s simply better options.

I never suggested Van Ness for OP. I also wasn't the one who said it would be fine. For OP it's probably going to be too far outside of her comfort zone. There are enough viable options elsewhere on the Hill.

I have access to a lot of sensitive personal data at work. I use it when necessary to do my job. I cannot imagine accessing it to prove a point to "a random" on the internet.

Anyone for whom Van Ness is too far out of their “comfort zone” for a single year of early childhood is pathetic and doesn’t deserve our advice.

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You may want to post on the private school forum to get useful info on those options.

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Anonymous wrote:Aw, Brent is such a lovely school. Too bad you’re moving while they are in the swing space.
I’d go with Maury to avoid commute.

I would not go with Van Ness if your child is in 1st and not Pre-K.

I’m sure Van Ness is just fine for 1st grade.

A school where half the students are at risk and scores are low is not great for 1st. Kids learn many critical things in that grade so personally I wouldn’t want my kid to go to a school that’s ’just fine.’

It actually is just fine. You are looking at test scores for 3-5 grades at a school where the younger grades have a very different socioeconomics makeup. You think a few numbers on a page tells you something but actually you are ignorant.

So half the kids being at risk is a lie? That making a difference must also be a lie.

I am a coach for a DCPS school, I can see the kids iReady scores (from all schools). Just in case you are more daft than I think, iReady starts in K.

Nope, you don’t want to be there for first, if anyone is ‘ignorant’ it is you for not having all the information. Or perhaps you are an admin trying to advertise your mediocre school.

Why would a coach have access to the iReady scores of all students at all schools? Why would a coach for a particular school spend their time looking at students' scores from other schools?

If you care about average student performance, of course a school with 46% of kids at risk isn't going to be doing as well academically as somewhere like Brent with only 8% at risk. But it is still possible, albeit harder, for a school with a higher at risk percentage to have a cohort of students performing well academically, and for the school to find ways to support those students' continued academic success.

Yep, I sit around looking at other students scores, it’s not because I decided to look to prove my point.


I work at a title 1 school, there are higher performing students but believe me when I say it’s not just the staff -the difference is the parents and the level of outside support they can give.

And as a parent would you rather I just lie? Title 1 schools are not simply dealing with academics there is a whole heap of things teachers have to deal with -that makes it much more difficult to teach.

So fool yourself into thinking you are progressive or whatever it is you believe. If there is over 30% or so of at risk kids it is so much more difficult. Kids at schools 40% + need school and city supports, as well as higher standards that DC/DCPS refuses to give.

Not progressive at all. Just making the choices I think are best for my family for now. I would love if the school had better CAPE scores, but for early elementary I don't think it warrants moving or committing to long/multiple school commutes. I can see my own child's iReady scores. I know the kids in my child's peer group and their families.

I'm not sure why anyone would trust the advice of someone who admits to looking up student data just to "prove a point" on the internet. Seems very unprofessional.

And the advice of a random mother who only has the experience from a single child is more of an expert? Hm, ok.

Unprofessional? You act as if I posted scores, or even mentioned exact scores.

You may say ‘on the internet’ as if that equates to evidence not needing to be validated in some way. You tried to lie and insulate your claim that first is ‘fine.’ Or perhaps more than it being a lie, it’s just your own ignorance.

Now I won’t be replying on this matter again. Van Ness is not the worst school, there’s simply better options.

I never suggested Van Ness for OP. I also wasn't the one who said it would be fine. For OP it's probably going to be too far outside of her comfort zone. There are enough viable options elsewhere on the Hill.

I have access to a lot of sensitive personal data at work. I use it when necessary to do my job. I cannot imagine accessing it to prove a point to "a random" on the internet.

Anyone for whom Van Ness is too far out of their “comfort zone” for a single year of early childhood is pathetic and doesn’t deserve our advice.

PP. If OP was already renting in Van Ness zone and desperately looking to lottery out, I might agree. But for a single year OP might as well rent somewhere with a school that's closer to what she and her child are already used to.

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Anonymous wrote:Aw, Brent is such a lovely school. Too bad you’re moving while they are in the swing space.
I’d go with Maury to avoid commute.

I would not go with Van Ness if your child is in 1st and not Pre-K.

I’m sure Van Ness is just fine for 1st grade.

A school where half the students are at risk and scores are low is not great for 1st. Kids learn many critical things in that grade so personally I wouldn’t want my kid to go to a school that’s ’just fine.’

It actually is just fine. You are looking at test scores for 3-5 grades at a school where the younger grades have a very different socioeconomics makeup. You think a few numbers on a page tells you something but actually you are ignorant.

So half the kids being at risk is a lie? That making a difference must also be a lie.

I am a coach for a DCPS school, I can see the kids iReady scores (from all schools). Just in case you are more daft than I think, iReady starts in K.

Nope, you don’t want to be there for first, if anyone is ‘ignorant’ it is you for not having all the information. Or perhaps you are an admin trying to advertise your mediocre school.

Why would a coach have access to the iReady scores of all students at all schools? Why would a coach for a particular school spend their time looking at students' scores from other schools?

If you care about average student performance, of course a school with 46% of kids at risk isn't going to be doing as well academically as somewhere like Brent with only 8% at risk. But it is still possible, albeit harder, for a school with a higher at risk percentage to have a cohort of students performing well academically, and for the school to find ways to support those students' continued academic success.

Yep, I sit around looking at other students scores, it’s not because I decided to look to prove my point.


I work at a title 1 school, there are higher performing students but believe me when I say it’s not just the staff -the difference is the parents and the level of outside support they can give.

And as a parent would you rather I just lie? Title 1 schools are not simply dealing with academics there is a whole heap of things teachers have to deal with -that makes it much more difficult to teach.

So fool yourself into thinking you are progressive or whatever it is you believe. If there is over 30% or so of at risk kids it is so much more difficult. Kids at schools 40% + need school and city supports, as well as higher standards that DC/DCPS refuses to give.

Not progressive at all. Just making the choices I think are best for my family for now. I would love if the school had better CAPE scores, but for early elementary I don't think it warrants moving or committing to long/multiple school commutes. I can see my own child's iReady scores. I know the kids in my child's peer group and their families.

I'm not sure why anyone would trust the advice of someone who admits to looking up student data just to "prove a point" on the internet. Seems very unprofessional.

And the advice of a random mother who only has the experience from a single child is more of an expert? Hm, ok.

Unprofessional? You act as if I posted scores, or even mentioned exact scores.

You may say ‘on the internet’ as if that equates to evidence not needing to be validated in some way. You tried to lie and insulate your claim that first is ‘fine.’ Or perhaps more than it being a lie, it’s just your own ignorance.

Now I won’t be replying on this matter again. Van Ness is not the worst school, there’s simply better options.

I never suggested Van Ness for OP. I also wasn't the one who said it would be fine. For OP it's probably going to be too far outside of her comfort zone. There are enough viable options elsewhere on the Hill.

I have access to a lot of sensitive personal data at work. I use it when necessary to do my job. I cannot imagine accessing it to prove a point to "a random" on the internet.

Anyone for whom Van Ness is too far out of their “comfort zone” for a single year of early childhood is pathetic and doesn’t deserve our advice.

Do your kids go to Van Ness?
And why set your kids up like that if you can get something better?

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Brent would have been the most obvious recommendation -- strong academics, teachers, community (welcoming in the younger grades, cliquey in the upper grades), and new school in 1.5 years, but with the busing, not worth it.

The other Hill schools are fine in 1st grade so just find a house that works for you (although I hear the most negative feedback about Watkins).

The Hill is a wonderful place to live and if you are here for only a year, then it is the perfect spot coming from NYC (walkable, safe, and homey). Halloween is the best!

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Anonymous wrote:Aw, Brent is such a lovely school. Too bad you’re moving while they are in the swing space.
I’d go with Maury to avoid commute.

I would not go with Van Ness if your child is in 1st and not Pre-K.

I’m sure Van Ness is just fine for 1st grade.

A school where half the students are at risk and scores are low is not great for 1st. Kids learn many critical things in that grade so personally I wouldn’t want my kid to go to a school that’s ’just fine.’

It actually is just fine. You are looking at test scores for 3-5 grades at a school where the younger grades have a very different socioeconomics makeup. You think a few numbers on a page tells you something but actually you are ignorant.

So half the kids being at risk is a lie? That making a difference must also be a lie.

I am a coach for a DCPS school, I can see the kids iReady scores (from all schools). Just in case you are more daft than I think, iReady starts in K.

Nope, you don’t want to be there for first, if anyone is ‘ignorant’ it is you for not having all the information. Or perhaps you are an admin trying to advertise your mediocre school.

Why would a coach have access to the iReady scores of all students at all schools? Why would a coach for a particular school spend their time looking at students' scores from other schools?

If you care about average student performance, of course a school with 46% of kids at risk isn't going to be doing as well academically as somewhere like Brent with only 8% at risk. But it is still possible, albeit harder, for a school with a higher at risk percentage to have a cohort of students performing well academically, and for the school to find ways to support those students' continued academic success.

Yep, I sit around looking at other students scores, it’s not because I decided to look to prove my point.


I work at a title 1 school, there are higher performing students but believe me when I say it’s not just the staff -the difference is the parents and the level of outside support they can give.

And as a parent would you rather I just lie? Title 1 schools are not simply dealing with academics there is a whole heap of things teachers have to deal with -that makes it much more difficult to teach.

So fool yourself into thinking you are progressive or whatever it is you believe. If there is over 30% or so of at risk kids it is so much more difficult. Kids at schools 40% + need school and city supports, as well as higher standards that DC/DCPS refuses to give.

Not progressive at all. Just making the choices I think are best for my family for now. I would love if the school had better CAPE scores, but for early elementary I don't think it warrants moving or committing to long/multiple school commutes. I can see my own child's iReady scores. I know the kids in my child's peer group and their families.

I'm not sure why anyone would trust the advice of someone who admits to looking up student data just to "prove a point" on the internet. Seems very unprofessional.

And the advice of a random mother who only has the experience from a single child is more of an expert? Hm, ok.

Unprofessional? You act as if I posted scores, or even mentioned exact scores.

You may say ‘on the internet’ as if that equates to evidence not needing to be validated in some way. You tried to lie and insulate your claim that first is ‘fine.’ Or perhaps more than it being a lie, it’s just your own ignorance.

Now I won’t be replying on this matter again. Van Ness is not the worst school, there’s simply better options.

I never suggested Van Ness for OP. I also wasn't the one who said it would be fine. For OP it's probably going to be too far outside of her comfort zone. There are enough viable options elsewhere on the Hill.

I have access to a lot of sensitive personal data at work. I use it when necessary to do my job. I cannot imagine accessing it to prove a point to "a random" on the internet.

Anyone for whom Van Ness is too far out of their “comfort zone” for a single year of early childhood is pathetic and doesn’t deserve our advice.

Do your kids go to Van Ness?
And why set your kids up like that if you can get something better?

DP. I have had kids at a school comparable to Van Ness in terms of demographics and test scores, through 2nd grade. Also a Title 1.

I've also had kids at a school comparable to L-T, Maury, or Brent, for 1st-4th grade. Not naming exact schools because I think it would give me a way but they are both schools on the Hill.

For 1st grade, the experience is extremely similar. Academically, there were even things I liked about the T1. For instance, their reading instruction was phenomenal. Really strong teaching of phonics fundamentals in a way that benefitted my kid who was already a strong reader coming into 1st. The T1 also had more specials, probably in part because of extra funding.

The things I preferred about the non-T1 (the school we are still at) mostly have to do with having been there past first. Much better academics in higher grades, better overall community and fewer people leaving the school so you develop better relationships, really active PTA that sponsors lots of community events and after school activities which becomes extra important as kids get older. But if we were just at the school for first, most of this wouldn't really matter to me -- I wouldn't be trying to build long term family friendships, and if I had a nanny at home I probably wouldn't care that much about after school opportunities. Maybe the one thing our current school offered in 1st that was a true upgrade over the T1 was better/more field trips? I think, but honestly it's hard to remember. I know my kid who attended the T1 also did some cool field trips in K and 1st, including Port Discovery in Baltimore and getting to go ice skating, which are also field trips our current school does. So even that might be about the same.

T1 schools get a lot of extra money to basically help bridge the gap and IME it does for the early grades. It's when you get into upper grades and the T1 still has a lot of kids struggling with reading and math fundamentals, and some behavioral issues come into play as kids enter puberty, that the experience really separates. At least in my experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

Of course they can... Just like OP would do. But it's very hit or miss whether you get 0 or 2 in your kid's class in a particular year; at a school that has 9 lottery spots and has kids coming, every class is going to have 3-4 new kids. It changes the school culture. I have been at both types of schools (though not Maury) and the vibe is quite different.

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Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

NP who hasn't posted regarding this Maury thing.

What you don't realize is that is very low turnover for a Hill elementary in upper grades. And most of the new students coming in are people moving into the zone, not coming in via lottery. I am sure it seems like a lot to families within the school, especially at a school most people like and where it is sad to lose families to private school or moving away. But even at L-T and Brent you see more turn over than that and both schools admit more students via lottery in earlier grades as a result. It's basically impossible to get a lottery spot at Maury until 5th (when a larger group of students leave to head to charters or private middle schools), whereas there are a handful of lottery families every year at even other in-demand Hill schools. L-T and Brent both lose more IB families regularly in part because they attract a lot of people who, like OP, are working on the Hill, which has a ton of natural turnover, so you have people moving in and out of the zones more and this results in more lottery spots and more movement. Brent has also had more movement in recent years due to their swing space move, which inevitably results in some people deciding to lottery elsewhere to avoid it -- Maury's renovation now predates most families at the school so you won't have experienced that in your time there.

I understand your defensiveness but people are not wrong. Parents at Maury don't realize they are outliers because the vast majority of Maury parents live IB and, like you, their only experience at another school was for PK. At other Hill elementaries, there is just more churn in general and that leads to greater awareness of enrollment trends at various schools. That's why you are getting pushback here -- Maury families tend to be out of the loop because of the lack of churn at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

Of course they can... Just like OP would do. But it's very hit or miss whether you get 0 or 2 in your kid's class in a particular year; at a school that has 9 lottery spots and has kids coming, every class is going to have 3-4 new kids. It changes the school culture. I have been at both types of schools (though not Maury) and the vibe is quite different.

4th and 5th always have a lot of turnover. The principle can make offers to fill out the class and sometimes Central Office transfers kids for safety reasons. Also military members can usually choose whatever school they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

NP who hasn't posted regarding this Maury thing.

What you don't realize is that is very low turnover for a Hill elementary in upper grades. And most of the new students coming in are people moving into the zone, not coming in via lottery. I am sure it seems like a lot to families within the school, especially at a school most people like and where it is sad to lose families to private school or moving away. But even at L-T and Brent you see more turn over than that and both schools admit more students via lottery in earlier grades as a result. It's basically impossible to get a lottery spot at Maury until 5th (when a larger group of students leave to head to charters or private middle schools), whereas there are a handful of lottery families every year at even other in-demand Hill schools. L-T and Brent both lose more IB families regularly in part because they attract a lot of people who, like OP, are working on the Hill, which has a ton of natural turnover, so you have people moving in and out of the zones more and this results in more lottery spots and more movement. Brent has also had more movement in recent years due to their swing space move, which inevitably results in some people deciding to lottery elsewhere to avoid it -- Maury's renovation now predates most families at the school so you won't have experienced that in your time there.

I understand your defensiveness but people are not wrong. Parents at Maury don't realize they are outliers because the vast majority of Maury parents live IB and, like you, their only experience at another school was for PK. At other Hill elementaries, there is just more churn in general and that leads to greater awareness of enrollment trends at various schools. That's why you are getting pushback here -- Maury families tend to be out of the loop because of the lack of churn at the school.

Wait til 4th and 5th. 3rd also has a lot of turnover.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

Of course they can... Just like OP would do. But it's very hit or miss whether you get 0 or 2 in your kid's class in a particular year; at a school that has 9 lottery spots and has kids coming, every class is going to have 3-4 new kids. It changes the school culture. I have been at both types of schools (though not Maury) and the vibe is quite different.

4th and 5th always have a lot of turnover. The principle can make offers to fill out the class and sometimes Central Office transfers kids for safety reasons. Also military members can usually choose whatever school they want.

The lottery numbers don't bear this out, but of course a lot of kids could be moving IB, I don't know. That said, we're talking about 1st grade. No one has claimed Maury has a lot of new families in 1st grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Maury is not welcoming to new kids. It is good academically, but for one year, your kid have a much better experience at L-T. Don’t overcount test scores that don’t even come from the grades your kid would be attending.

Ridiculous

Sorry, but I think this is true. It’s not that the kids or families at Maury are mean, they’re not at all. But Maury gets very few new kids after K and this isn’t a situation where the family will know some Maury families already from DC Way or Studio One or whatever. That means that most friendship groups — including parents — are already pretty established and there’s not a culture of welcoming new kids/families every year. Of course her kid could get lucky, but it could also be an uphill climb. Maury is a very good school and if she was staying long-term, sure it could be worth it. But for one first grade year, going to a school that has similar test scores for demographics (slightly worse overall, but almost entirely drive by demographic differences & still good, especially in ELA) but a culture of kids coming in every year is going to be a much easier nut to crack. Ask a Maury family what year the kids at their kids’ birthday party started at the school and I guarantee you the answer is overwhelmingly PK3-K; the same thing simply isn’t true at L-T where more lottery movement means that new kids are integrated into friendship groups every year.

You have no idea what you are talking about. maury gets a lot of new kids in the older grades and a steady stream of turn over every year. And although I guess some parents have weird hang ups and insecurities, the vast majority of kids don’t and make friends readily. This is about the dumbest discourse on Hill schools I have read recently and that is saying a lot. My guess is that if you approach *first grade* as a “nut to crack,” you are the one with the problem, not the other parents.

The fact that you think Maury gets a lot of new kids in older grades compared to almost any DCPS in the city shows how out of touch you are. Last year, Maury offered 0 seats from 1st upwards in the initial lottery. They filled approx 5 seats across those grades from the WL. The year before they also offered zero slots, but filled more from the WL. The other schools were talking about offer 5-15 seats per grade initially. Last year, Ludlow had 9 1st grade lottery seats, so at least than many new 1st graders.

That’s definitely not true for 3-5th.

Not sure what you’re saying isn’t true. It is 100% true and confirmable on the lottery results page that Maury hasn’t offered a seat in the initial lottery in 1st grade or up since at least 2019, so any new kids in a particular grade are very hit or miss (they have often offered some seats via the WL; it’s hard to know how many seats v offers). That’s very different than Ludlow (and most other Hill schools) that routinely offer 5-15 spots a year, so there are reliably new kids in every grade. That’s not an insult to Maury; it’s a sign of its popularity. But it’s also a reason it might be harder to be a new kid there.

You realize kids can come in not without the lottery. My DC is in 4th at Maury and I can count 15 kids who have left and other 12 new ones who have replaced them since she started in K. (We were an Apple Tree family). People move to NW, overseas, back to the midwest, kids go to St Peter's etc etc.

NP who hasn't posted regarding this Maury thing.

What you don't realize is that is very low turnover for a Hill elementary in upper grades. And most of the new students coming in are people moving into the zone, not coming in via lottery. I am sure it seems like a lot to families within the school, especially at a school most people like and where it is sad to lose families to private school or moving away. But even at L-T and Brent you see more turn over than that and both schools admit more students via lottery in earlier grades as a result. It's basically impossible to get a lottery spot at Maury until 5th (when a larger group of students leave to head to charters or private middle schools), whereas there are a handful of lottery families every year at even other in-demand Hill schools. L-T and Brent both lose more IB families regularly in part because they attract a lot of people who, like OP, are working on the Hill, which has a ton of natural turnover, so you have people moving in and out of the zones more and this results in more lottery spots and more movement. Brent has also had more movement in recent years due to their swing space move, which inevitably results in some people deciding to lottery elsewhere to avoid it -- Maury's renovation now predates most families at the school so you won't have experienced that in your time there.

I understand your defensiveness but people are not wrong. Parents at Maury don't realize they are outliers because the vast majority of Maury parents live IB and, like you, their only experience at another school was for PK. At other Hill elementaries, there is just more churn in general and that leads to greater awareness of enrollment trends at various schools. That's why you are getting pushback here -- Maury families tend to be out of the loop because of the lack of churn at the school.

Wait til 4th and 5th. 3rd also has a lot of turnover.

Maury is 83% IB. It always offers zero lottery spots for grades 1-5. Brent and Ludlow are between 55 and 60% IB. They routinely offer 5, 10 or even 15 lottery spots in each grade. The culture is just totally different when it comes to accommodating new kids. Also the way you keep harping on the amount of turnover in grades 3-5, clearly seeing it as a bad thing, is symptomatic of that.