Why are younger men so right wing?

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.


They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.


Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.


If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.


Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?


I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.


He gets laughs by punching down. Is that masculine? I guess sometimes he gets laughs by talking about having to flush the toilet 10 times, which admittedly does seem masculine to me.
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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.


They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.


Five masculine Democratic men?

Easy.

Gavin Newsom
Mark Kelly
Mark Warner
Jared Golden
Seth Moulton

It doesn’t get more masculine than the Marine Corps and astronauts.

That took me less than 10 seconds to make that list btw


Seth Moulton was nearly drummed out of the party for suggesting that having boys in girls sports was not a winning issue for Democrats.

Beating up masculine men for saying sensible things will not draw young men to the party.


Sensible things??

Whenever you hear someone saying messed-up and stupid things about human relationships, odds are very very good it’s a right winger:

- Relationships are cold transactional power struggles (“men lead/women follow”)
- Men created and invented literally everything in the world and ungrateful women should be falling into bed to thank them
- Loneliness is exclusively a male problem which women are responsible for fixing
- Western women are “ruined” (code word for uppity)
- immigrants are “taking our women” (as if women are possessions with no agency)
- women only want men who are 6 feet tall and make 6 figure incomes
- women only want bad boys, therefore they all want to be abused
- women read 50 Shades of Grey, therefore they all want to be assaulted
- women hit “the wall” at age 25
- age 14 is peak fertility for women
- men do not care about women’s jobs, hobbies, interests, achievements, or opinions
- women’s only purpose is to make babies and serve men

All of these are common tropes among young men who’ve gone down the RW rabbit hole. They’re not learning these from Democrats. They’re getting them from alt-right podcasters, YouTube channels, TikTok, Reddit, 4chan, and organizations like TPUSA. The redpill-to-Nazi pipeline is well established. There’s a lot of money to be made by keeping an impressionable young male audience lonely, unpartnered, sexually insecure, and perpetually angry. Why would influencers give good advice? They’d lose their income.

The billionaires who back these efforts need young men to vote a certain way so they can get their tax breaks, favorable legislation, and government contracts. Follow the money.
Anonymous
If you can’t see the hostility to young men, particularly straight white men, in the modern Left’s messaging you are willfully blind.

The entire identity/diversity movement is based on excluding straight white men.

What does BIPOC mean? It means “not white.”

What does it mean if an organization lacks diversity? It means too many men and/or too many white people. It never means too few men or white people.

If you are a young man who hasn’t found a place in the world you feel targeted, and you aren’t wrong.

This article is one perspective on the phenomenon: https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

If the Democrats want to turn things around they need to understand that a young man coming of age in 2025 (particularly white men) finds himself in the minority, often a small minority, in universities, corporate America, the media, and every other path towards a stable upper middle class existence.

The Ivy League today is only roughly one third white and a bit over 50% female… leaving white males at roughly 15% of undergrads. Meanwhile they continue to be told that they are somehow responsible for every ill of the generations that came before them and that they are “privileged.”

Yes, there are still many white men in senior positions across America, but they are men from a different generation (often still baby boomers) and their experience was totally different from a young man today.

The old school Democratic Party wanted union voters, rural voters, working class white people who celebrated America, but the modern party is increasingly urban, coastal, and intolerant of anyone that deviates from their orthodoxy.

Does that make Trump a good alternative? Obviously not… but at this point you are dealing with voters who feel like they only have bad choices.
Anonymous
They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that. In NYC, Mamdani rode that same wave of disaffected populism very successfully. But otherwise, only the right-wing acknowledges the very real problems (lack of work, lack of hope for the future) facing young men. The left wing right now is largely either entirely corporatist or only focused on issues that primarily impact women.

No society does well long-term with large numbers of unemployed and underemployed young men. You can demonize young men for how they feel and their lived experiences (which is the typical response of your average DCUM Democrat and the Democratic establishment) or you can try not being arrogant and actually listening. I don’t think the Democrats survive as a party if they can’t start recognizing and acknowledging the struggles of young men. And it can be done well: look at Mamdani.
Anonymous
Your son is clearly smart and has the ability to think critically, yet chose to be a conservative.


An actual conservative probably wouldn't have voted for Trump.

They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that


This is the real reason. Young men are likely (and rightfully) getting tired of and annoyed by being told by so many "liberals" that they are worthless or worse. They looked for an alternative and found Trump. Hopefully, they will get smarter in the future, and there will be less vitriol from the left against young males in particular.
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They bought into grievance
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Your son is clearly smart and has the ability to think critically, yet chose to be a conservative.


An actual conservative probably wouldn't have voted for Trump.

They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that


This is the real reason. Young men are likely (and rightfully) getting tired of and annoyed by being told by so many "liberals" that they are worthless or worse. They looked for an alternative and found Trump. Hopefully, they will get smarter in the future, and there will be less vitriol from the left against young males in particular.


Will young men switch to the dems because there is less vitriol against them, or will there be less vitriol against them because they switched to the dems?

You have raised a chicken and egg question that likely needs to be addressed to achieve the outcome you desire.
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Anonymous wrote:
Your son is clearly smart and has the ability to think critically, yet chose to be a conservative.


An actual conservative probably wouldn't have voted for Trump.

They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that


This is the real reason. Young men are likely (and rightfully) getting tired of and annoyed by being told by so many "liberals" that they are worthless or worse. They looked for an alternative and found Trump. Hopefully, they will get smarter in the future, and there will be less vitriol from the left against young males in particular.


Will young men switch to the dems because there is less vitriol against them, or will there be less vitriol against them because they switched to the dems?

You have raised a chicken and egg question that likely needs to be addressed to achieve the outcome you desire.


I don't think the vitriol is really the problem. The vitriol is just a product of the Democrats getting caught red handed on labor issues and fanning flames race, gender, class etc. instead of backing off on immigration.

So, yes tomorrow they could say, "America is the most skilled and talented nation that has ever existed. They are the most productive nation and generation ever; they are about to demolish work. All the immigrants want to come here because we built the best education system ever.", but if they don't change their policies around immigration.

I'm still voting against Democrats.

In fact I am at the point, that the more vitriol the Democrats spew, the better. So, let's here some more vitriol.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Your son is clearly smart and has the ability to think critically, yet chose to be a conservative.


An actual conservative probably wouldn't have voted for Trump.

They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that


This is the real reason. Young men are likely (and rightfully) getting tired of and annoyed by being told by so many "liberals" that they are worthless or worse. They looked for an alternative and found Trump. Hopefully, they will get smarter in the future, and there will be less vitriol from the left against young males in particular.


Will young men switch to the dems because there is less vitriol against them, or will there be less vitriol against them because they switched to the dems?

You have raised a chicken and egg question that likely needs to be addressed to achieve the outcome you desire.


I don't think the vitriol is really the problem. The vitriol is just a product of the Democrats getting caught red handed on labor issues and fanning flames race, gender, class etc. instead of backing off on immigration.

So, yes tomorrow they could say, "America is the most skilled and talented nation that has ever existed. They are the most productive nation and generation ever; they are about to demolish work. All the immigrants want to come here because we built the best education system ever.", but if they don't change their policies around immigration.

I'm still voting against Democrats.

In fact I am at the point, that the more vitriol the Democrats spew, the better. So, let's here some more vitriol.

You can sit and whine or you can get off your behind and actually work without blaming everyone who doesn’t look like you. Lazy and entitled seldom wins except if you’re Trump.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.


They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.


Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.


If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.


Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?


I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.


Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.


Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that. In NYC, Mamdani rode that same wave of disaffected populism very successfully. But otherwise, only the right-wing acknowledges the very real problems (lack of work, lack of hope for the future) facing young men. The left wing right now is largely either entirely corporatist or only focused on issues that primarily impact women.

No society does well long-term with large numbers of unemployed and underemployed young men. You can demonize young men for how they feel and their lived experiences (which is the typical response of your average DCUM Democrat and the Democratic establishment) or you can try not being arrogant and actually listening. I don’t think the Democrats survive as a party if they can’t start recognizing and acknowledging the struggles of young men. And it can be done well: look at Mamdani.


Yes, but the right doesn’t actually DO anything. They make up problems that they then “solve,” and eventually the marks will figure it out. It’s happening now in real time with Hispanics and other POC. Eventually the young men will figure out how useless and beta maga is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.


They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.


Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

Eyeliner and make up stations....just ask Petey and vancey

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.


If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.


He grew up playing football and basketball, hunted as a kid and to this day. Worked in a factory before college. Veteran. Football coach. Father of 2.

What makes someone masculine in your eyes? UFC spandex and roids?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that. In NYC, Mamdani rode that same wave of disaffected populism very successfully. But otherwise, only the right-wing acknowledges the very real problems (lack of work, lack of hope for the future) facing young men. The left wing right now is largely either entirely corporatist or only focused on issues that primarily impact women.

No society does well long-term with large numbers of unemployed and underemployed young men. You can demonize young men for how they feel and their lived experiences (which is the typical response of your average DCUM Democrat and the Democratic establishment) or you can try not being arrogant and actually listening. I don’t think the Democrats survive as a party if they can’t start recognizing and acknowledging the struggles of young men. And it can be done well: look at Mamdani.


Yes, but the right doesn’t actually DO anything. They make up problems that they then “solve,” and eventually the marks will figure it out. It’s happening now in real time with Hispanics and other POC. Eventually the young men will figure out how useless and beta maga is.


But they aren’t voting for Democrats instead. They just aren’t voting at all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My son is 32 and just told me he voted for Trump three times. I’m embarrassed and feel like a failure. We raised him in a liberal environment and now he’s become radicalized

He’s not even your stereotypical trump voter or whatever. Good job in coastal city, just got engaged, owns a house, many friends. But he’s gone down this rabbit hole of right wing politics and it leaves me baffled


The far right is misogynistic to it's core and so is your son.
Anonymous
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Your son is clearly smart and has the ability to think critically, yet chose to be a conservative.


An actual conservative probably wouldn't have voted for Trump.

They aren’t right-wing the way you think about it. They are disaffected and alienated, with no sense of hope for the future, and for the most part only the right-wing has recognized that


This is the real reason. Young men are likely (and rightfully) getting tired of and annoyed by being told by so many "liberals" that they are worthless or worse. They looked for an alternative and found Trump. Hopefully, they will get smarter in the future, and there will be less vitriol from the left against young males in particular.


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