Doctors make too much money

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

Your cleaning lady works her ass off, too. Are you willing to pay her $600k a year?

It's amazing how generous people are when they're able to get someone else to pay for 80-90% of a service.

How many people are capable of performing a life saving surgery versus the number capable of scrubbing a toilet and how willing are you to accept the consequences if you forgo each service or if they screw it up?

Surely that factors into what people are willing to pay, regardless of what insurance is willing to kick in.

OK, do you pay for cleaning lady even 1/10th of that for working her "ass off"?

NP. Depending on specialty, physicians take call and get woken up regularly at night, miss events with their family, and have to be “on” the whole time they’re working. There are plenty of other jobs where people work really hard and work long hours, but I want my doctor to be fairly compensated for their time and expertise. Most doctors are not making that much for how hard they’re working plus the high level of responsibility they’re taking on for their work. The ones who make a ton tend to be on the business end of medicine, not in daily practice. In the hospital, most administrators and making more than the average physician on staff, and those admins don’t spend their days listening to and caring for patients.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

Your cleaning lady works her ass off, too. Are you willing to pay her $600k a year?

It's amazing how generous people are when they're able to get someone else to pay for 80-90% of a service.

Actually, I work my own a$$ off cleaning the house myself. And since our doctors have saved my life twice as well as two other members of my family, yeah, I’m pretty happy and thankful for the care that medical professionals have given us.

[Anonymous]

I got an email from my doctor today (Saturday). Apparently he was trying to catch up on follow ups. I am not sure how much more OP wants doctors to work.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

+1 I actually think most doctors are massively underpaid compared to other professions when factoring in skill level, value of service they are providing, years/cost of education, work/life balance, etc

PCPs are underpaid. Radiologists, orthopedic surgeons, and anesthesiologists are ridiculously overpaid.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Went to the ortho. Was seen initially by the trainee. The tech staff did all of the work for the xray. Doc comes in, does one minor mechanical test, looks at the xray for 15 seconds, and then prescribes steroids and P/T. Co-pay was $50, and they're probably charging my insurance well north of $400+ for the entite visit not even counting the trays. I think his entire visit was less than 4 minutes long. So in otherwords, if we were to extrapolate my $500 (approx.) visit out to one hour, he's earning $6000/hour, roughly speaking.

That is just patently ABSURD. Yes, we all know the middlemen like insurance companies, PBMS, etc. are all terrible and are driving up costs, but why are doctors and their practices untouchable? We treat them like gods in America point they are immune to criticism, but often times they do minutes of work for outrageous fees that AI could probably do soon for 1/1000th the cost. Why can't we ever talk about how doctors are also fleecing America and driving up healthcare costs? They treat patients like cash cows. More volume = more cash = fancier Porsche and bigger house.

I am just disgusted with the entire practice of medicine in America from top to bottom.

Two points that make your point dumb. First, that was all the time needed to deal with your issue. The area is not rocket science. Second, it is likely that your insurance company did not pay more than 50 bucks. And it probably cost 10 of that just to process your payment.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

+1 I actually think most doctors are massively underpaid compared to other professions when factoring in skill level, value of service they are providing, years/cost of education, work/life balance, etc

You must be a doctor

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Doctors get way too much default respect, often in the form of money. Some of them are great. Entirely too many of them don't bother to review my chart, misdiagnose, are condescending tw@ts, complain to me about their trials and tribulations (I don't want to hear you gripe about your job. Get a therapist or a new job or both), BS their clinical notes or simply outsource them to ChatGPT...

A good doctor is a rarity, and they're worth every penny. Sadly, most of them are in it for the money, and there's a reason for that. There's also a massive ego boost and the social clout that goes with saying "I'm a DOCTOR" like it means something about what kind of person you are. It really doesn't. In fact, to a lot of us, it means the opposite of what a lot of them seem to think.

The whole system is rotten from the inside and it's not just doctors' salaries that are the problem. But they're not commensurate with actual value, especially compared to some of the other professions people have slagged off on this thread. And to the idiot pps saying "don't go then", well, you're probably the same sort of idiots who think privacy doesn't matter as long as you're not doing something wrong. There's no help for you. Not even the best doctors can help stupid.

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You are not paying for the "15 seconds." You are paying for the years of training. Even the tests throughout training cost thousands of dollars. Many residentss leave specialty training with 1 million in student debt, from undergrad, medical school, and residency. Then many go to fellowship training.

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I don’t think doctors “deserve” less money but overall healthcare professional salaries are bankrupting our healthcare system. Compared to Germany, PCPs are making $100k more and nurses are making double. We are never going to manage costs while maintaining how lucrative these professions are.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

+1 I actually think most doctors are massively underpaid compared to other professions when factoring in skill level, value of service they are providing, years/cost of education, work/life balance, etc

PCPs are underpaid. Radiologists, orthopedic surgeons, and anesthesiologists are ridiculously overpaid.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You must be a radiologist. Soon enough AI will replace you for a fraction of the cost. You'll have to get a real job instead of looking at pictures from your beach house.

[Anonymous]

Oh, OP, TLDR, you are so so so ignorant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

+1 I actually think most doctors are massively underpaid compared to other professions when factoring in skill level, value of service they are providing, years/cost of education, work/life balance, etc

PCPs are underpaid. Radiologists, orthopedic surgeons, and anesthesiologists are ridiculously overpaid.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You must be a radiologist. Soon enough AI will replace you for a fraction of the cost. You'll have to get a real job instead of looking at pictures from your beach house.

I don’t want AI looking at these pictures without human oversight.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

+1 I actually think most doctors are massively underpaid compared to other professions when factoring in skill level, value of service they are providing, years/cost of education, work/life balance, etc

PCPs are underpaid. Radiologists, orthopedic surgeons, and anesthesiologists are ridiculously overpaid.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You must be a radiologist. Soon enough AI will replace you for a fraction of the cost. You'll have to get a real job instead of looking at pictures from your beach house.

I don’t want AI looking at these pictures without human oversight.

Won’t someone please think of the radiologists?!? For just $1,000 a day, you can help a radiologist keep their beach house. Donate today.

I intend to go with whatever is better at reading scans. In a couple years, AI will have a sizable performance lead. Health insurance isn’t in the charity business. They’re not going to reimburse at ridiculous rates for a poor service. You can throw your money away, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have no complaints about my doctors and that includes their salaries. They work their a$$es off and have provided me and my family with great care.

+1 I actually think most doctors are massively underpaid compared to other professions when factoring in skill level, value of service they are providing, years/cost of education, work/life balance, etc

PCPs are underpaid. Radiologists, orthopedic surgeons, and anesthesiologists are ridiculously overpaid.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You must be a radiologist. Soon enough AI will replace you for a fraction of the cost. You'll have to get a real job instead of looking at pictures from your beach house.

I don’t want AI looking at these pictures without human oversight.

Some ai is more accurate and helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the differences in incomes between specialists is too great so in the respect of agree your ortho makes you much but ffs, op-use your head!

How do you think the lights in building stay on, the tech gets paid, the receptionist greets you and checks you in, your insurance gets billed etc etc. you can’t think he’s getting anywhere close to your dubious “hourly rate.”

Agreed. Honestly, though, the whole practice is probably owned by the hospital which is owned by some venture capital firm. Your doctor probably just gets a salary the same way the x-ray tech and the receptionist do.

This!