Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's most likely Epstein committed suicide. For a murder, there are too many moving pieces that all needed to fall in place. Murder is not a reasonable conclusion. Real life is not a movie. Occam's Razor.

Plus Epstein was a billionaire who lived a certain way. Jail must have been shocking for him. Maybe he started regretting what a reprehensible man he was. Maybe he realized that - even in the best of circumstances - he was looking at years in prison.

Suicide was a reasonable choice for a man in Epstein's predicament.

You say this as though our government has had people killed before. Or that powerful people don't have people silenced. They do. And to act like these things don't happen is the real fantasy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

This is insulting to Virginia’s family, who don’t question her suicide.

Her abusive husband was manipulating the court system and had succeeded at keeping her from having access to her children for months.

She was also as we all know a child sex abuse survivor.

Both of these realities put her at very high risk for suicide. And she suicided.

Actually her father and brother have stated they are doubtful she committed suicide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

There's a difference between the average sociopaths and the likes of Epstein and Saville. The average person doesn't have the money and connections to get them out of trouble.

Neither Epstein nor Saville were ashamed of being exposed. Rather, they saw nothing wrong with what they did.

You are full of 💩, sorry.

And you just want to protect the pedos.

Epstein had the goods on very powerful people. Why on earth would he commit suicide when he could leverage what he knew to get probation at best.

You are naive and probably the type of person who is easily suckered by people like Trump.

Just getting back to this thread and you are disgusting, poster.

I happen to have an extensive background in psychology and also specifically in the study of both criminal psychology and suicidology, so I’m not talking out my arse while you are blathering on here and in other threads about some documentary you watched which you feel makes you and expert. And because I disagreed with you, you’re accusing me of defending pedophiles. You’re dog sh*t, or more likely even a lower form of life - the massive fragile ego micro dink micro brained male.

The newly released emails are full of Epstein and Bannon exchanges in which Epstein is trying to strategize his public rehabilitation and panicking when he learns Michael Wolfe’s book was going to include references to his criminal behavior with minor females. He was PANICKING.

Epstein’s close friends like Trump might well have known of his depravity, but his beloved brother did not. Presumably neither did the rest of his family. All the makings if a narcissistic collapse were in play and there is EVERY reason to believe he fell into fragile ego despair (imagine yourself on steroids) and hung himself rather than see his carefully crafted exterior image blown apart. NOT because he thought raping teenaged girls was wrong, but because he knew other people would think so.

Now go play with yourself or whatever and don’t bother the professional with your documentary deductions again.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

This is insulting to Virginia’s family, who don’t question her suicide.

Her abusive husband was manipulating the court system and had succeeded at keeping her from having access to her children for months.

She was also as we all know a child sex abuse survivor.

Both of these realities put her at very high risk for suicide. And she suicided.

Actually her father and brother have stated they are doubtful she committed suicide.

The father who raped her as a child and wants to milk the fame?

Her brother is very active in the survivor movement and he references, without question, her suicide regularly.

You people are sick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

There's a difference between the average sociopaths and the likes of Epstein and Saville. The average person doesn't have the money and connections to get them out of trouble.

Neither Epstein nor Saville were ashamed of being exposed. Rather, they saw nothing wrong with what they did.

You are full of 💩, sorry.

And you just want to protect the pedos.

Epstein had the goods on very powerful people. Why on earth would he commit suicide when he could leverage what he knew to get probation at best.

You are naive and probably the type of person who is easily suckered by people like Trump.

Just getting back to this thread and you are disgusting, poster.

I happen to have an extensive background in psychology and also specifically in the study of both criminal psychology and suicidology, so I’m not talking out my arse while you are blathering on here and in other threads about some documentary you watched which you feel makes you and expert. And because I disagreed with you, you’re accusing me of defending pedophiles. You’re dog sh*t, or more likely even a lower form of life - the massive fragile ego micro dink micro brained male.

The newly released emails are full of Epstein and Bannon exchanges in which Epstein is trying to strategize his public rehabilitation and panicking when he learns Michael Wolfe’s book was going to include references to his criminal behavior with minor females. He was PANICKING.

Epstein’s close friends like Trump might well have known of his depravity, but his beloved brother did not. Presumably neither did the rest of his family. All the makings if a narcissistic collapse were in play and there is EVERY reason to believe he fell into fragile ego despair (imagine yourself on steroids) and hung himself rather than see his carefully crafted exterior image blown apart. NOT because he thought raping teenaged girls was wrong, but because he knew other people would think so.

Now go play with yourself or whatever and don’t bother the professional with your documentary deductions again.

Agree, both suicide and murder are possible causes of Epstein's death.

[Anonymous]

Hell no.

Nor do I believe Giuffre committed suicide. It’s too convenient for both of them to be dead.

[Anonymous]

That guy had so many get out of jail free passes in his lifetime that I'm sure he felt like he would always get a pass

He was murdered. Like that stuff happens in prisons all the time for far less than protecting the president of the United States of America.

Someone in my family said "the Clintons did it" when neither of them has been in power since decades.

Ghislaine Maxwell probably spends 24 hours a day wondering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Epstein established a new will two days before he died. Isn’t that pretty strong evidence that his death was a suicide?

I agree. He had all the factors they watch for in prison for suicide.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

This is insulting to Virginia’s family, who don’t question her suicide.

Her abusive husband was manipulating the court system and had succeeded at keeping her from having access to her children for months.

She was also as we all know a child sex abuse survivor.

Both of these realities put her at very high risk for suicide. And she suicided.

Actually her father and brother have stated they are doubtful she committed suicide.

Didn’t she also tell people or leave a note that she was not suicidal? Like she was afraid someone might kill her and wanted to let them know .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

This is insulting to Virginia’s family, who don’t question her suicide.

Her abusive husband was manipulating the court system and had succeeded at keeping her from having access to her children for months.

She was also as we all know a child sex abuse survivor.

Both of these realities put her at very high risk for suicide. And she suicided.

Actually her father and brother have stated they are doubtful she committed suicide.

Didn’t she also tell people or leave a note that she was not suicidal? Like she was afraid someone might kill her and wanted to let them know .

She did that years ago, when Epstein suicided.

Before her husband’s abuse of her escalated so much that she left him, after which he manipulated the family court to get her barred from seeing her kids for six months and she fell into despair and ultimately suicided.

Her family released excerpts from her private diary to The Times of London which detail how her husband had become abusive more and more as she won lawsuits against Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and Ghislaine Maxwell, how he controlled her and physically beat her and gambled her settlements away. She left him and then he stole her kids as well and so she suicided.

Context is everything. Look it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

This is insulting to Virginia’s family, who don’t question her suicide.

Her abusive husband was manipulating the court system and had succeeded at keeping her from having access to her children for months.

She was also as we all know a child sex abuse survivor.

Both of these realities put her at very high risk for suicide. And she suicided.

Actually her father and brother have stated they are doubtful she committed suicide.

Didn’t she also tell people or leave a note that she was not suicidal? Like she was afraid someone might kill her and wanted to let them know .

She did that years ago, when Epstein suicided.

Before her husband’s abuse of her escalated so much that she left him, after which he manipulated the family court to get her barred from seeing her kids for six months and she fell into despair and ultimately suicided.

Her family released excerpts from her private diary to The Times of London which detail how her husband had become abusive more and more as she won lawsuits against Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and Ghislaine Maxwell, how he controlled her and physically beat her and gambled her settlements away. She left him and then he stole her kids as well and so she suicided.

Context is everything. Look it up.

You are spending too much time online. This was unnecessarily snarky. I literally asked a question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

There's a difference between the average sociopaths and the likes of Epstein and Saville. The average person doesn't have the money and connections to get them out of trouble.

Neither Epstein nor Saville were ashamed of being exposed. Rather, they saw nothing wrong with what they did.

You are full of 💩, sorry.

And you just want to protect the pedos.

Epstein had the goods on very powerful people. Why on earth would he commit suicide when he could leverage what he knew to get probation at best.

You are naive and probably the type of person who is easily suckered by people like Trump.

Just getting back to this thread and you are disgusting, poster.

I happen to have an extensive background in psychology and also specifically in the study of both criminal psychology and suicidology, so I’m not talking out my arse while you are blathering on here and in other threads about some documentary you watched which you feel makes you and expert. And because I disagreed with you, you’re accusing me of defending pedophiles. You’re dog sh*t, or more likely even a lower form of life - the massive fragile ego micro dink micro brained male.

The newly released emails are full of Epstein and Bannon exchanges in which Epstein is trying to strategize his public rehabilitation and panicking when he learns Michael Wolfe’s book was going to include references to his criminal behavior with minor females. He was PANICKING.

Epstein’s close friends like Trump might well have known of his depravity, but his beloved brother did not. Presumably neither did the rest of his family. All the makings if a narcissistic collapse were in play and there is EVERY reason to believe he fell into fragile ego despair (imagine yourself on steroids) and hung himself rather than see his carefully crafted exterior image blown apart. NOT because he thought raping teenaged girls was wrong, but because he knew other people would think so.

Now go play with yourself or whatever and don’t bother the professional with your documentary deductions again.

Now do it with the facts: the cameras were conveniently off. In your esteemed professional opinion do you find that sociopaths like to time their suicides by hanging a rope and jumping in 2 minutes? Because they care so much that they don't want others to witness. How did he get the rope in your professional opinion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Because Occam's Razor.

Occam’s Razor would point to murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes Trump had him killed.

This

[Anonymous]

No. Not a chance.