Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

There's a difference between the average sociopaths and the likes of Epstein and Saville. The average person doesn't have the money and connections to get them out of trouble.

Neither Epstein nor Saville were ashamed of being exposed. Rather, they saw nothing wrong with what they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

This is insulting to Virginia’s family, who don’t question her suicide.

Her abusive husband was manipulating the court system and had succeeded at keeping her from having access to her children for months.

She was also as we all know a child sex abuse survivor.

Both of these realities put her at very high risk for suicide. And she suicided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can understand being knifed but to set up a hanging seems a harder way, and would need more inmates to achieve that, unless the guards/inmates were paid and looked the other way

Of course they were paid to look the other way. The people involved with Epstein were the rich and powerful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

There's a difference between the average sociopaths and the likes of Epstein and Saville. The average person doesn't have the money and connections to get them out of trouble.

Neither Epstein nor Saville were ashamed of being exposed. Rather, they saw nothing wrong with what they did.

You are full of 💩, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is honestly a distracting conversation.

How so? Sure we all have opinions, but if he was murdered it points to a coverup. And, let's face it...we all know there's a massive coverup already. The more people talk about this the more the train keeps chugging ahead.

[Anonymous]

Nope. He definitely did not kill himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

There's a difference between the average sociopaths and the likes of Epstein and Saville. The average person doesn't have the money and connections to get them out of trouble.

Neither Epstein nor Saville were ashamed of being exposed. Rather, they saw nothing wrong with what they did.

You are full of 💩, sorry.

And you just want to protect the pedos.

Epstein had the goods on very powerful people. Why on earth would he commit suicide when he could leverage what he knew to get probation at best.

You are naive and probably the type of person who is easily suckered by people like Trump.

[Anonymous]

I think he was a Mossad agent and I think the Mossad killed him. While hedgefund managers make a lot of money, he allegedly was managing the money for one guy--Wexner---and Epstein was not known in the financial industry as being some mega successful iBanker. So no way was he bankrolling a townhouse in Manhattan, a ranch out west, and a private island---some foreign government was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can understand being knifed but to set up a hanging seems a harder way, and would need more inmates to achieve that, unless the guards/inmates were paid and looked the other way

Of course they were paid to look the other way. The people involved with Epstein were the rich and powerful.

Correctional officers at the Metropolitan Correctional Center average $52,000 a year. Trump has raised over 2 billion for his reelection campaign in 2028.

[Anonymous]

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Those of you who think he was killed rather than died at his own hand, how do you explain the subsequent cover-up that would have to take place to preserve the story that he killed himself? There would have to be too many people involved to keep it a secret and I just don’t think it’s that easy in real life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think he was killed rather than died at his own hand, how do you explain the subsequent cover-up that would have to take place to preserve the story that he killed himself? There would have to be too many people involved to keep it a secret and I just don’t think it’s that easy in real life.

Do you believe the one bullet theory for JFK? How can you explain the cameras going out? The guards both sleeping?

I think we're all very naive in what we (us normal folks) believe is possible. I don't think we can imagine the scope of this thing. Even the lawyers said it involves banks, foreign governments, powerful people. It's beyond comprehension in many ways. Look at how the Catholic church covered up the pedophiles. Or, how the university protected Larry Nasser. People keep secrets all the time. They get bribed.

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe he committed suicide. I suspect the Mossad got him. Their ability to carry out crazy operations successfully is unparalleled anywhere in the world. Remember the pagers exploding and blowing the balls off of Hezbollah fighters? Epstein was childs play compared to that.

Further, I suspect that the whole Epstein thing was an operation to gain influence over powerful business leaders and politicians so that they could influence policy towards Israel. They couldn’t have Epstein going to court and the general public finding out that Israel is a frenemy and the steps they’ll go to in order to assert control of our government.

His death wasn’t about the people on the list - it was much bigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought he did, but not anymore.

I've watched a few documentaries on people like Ted Bundy and Jimmy Saville, a prolific horrible child molester in the UK. He was rich and famous and had powerful friends (the royals, Margaret Thatcher, etc..).

What I learned was that people like Epstein and Saville are sociopaths, and sociopaths generally don't commit suicide for their wrong doings even if they are caught. They rely on their powerful friends to get them out of trouble, be it pressuring the victims, law enforcement, etc..

I don't think he committed suicide. There were enough very powerful men who were involved who had the means to have Epstein murdered.

This is simply not supported by psychological studies and scholarship.

Both sociopaths and malignant narcissists are at increased risk for suicide.

In particular malignant narcissists - a designation which fits with everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein - are most at risk when circumstances in their lives undermine the fragile reality they inhabit.

“While it may seem counterintuitive for someone with a grandiose self-image to take their own life, the underlying dynamics of narcissistic suicide often involve an inability to cope with intense shame, humiliation, and "narcissistic collapse" when their false self is exposed or their grandiosity is undermined by reality.”

Jeffrey Epstein’s depth of depravity and scope of criminal behavior was about to be fully revealed to the entire world, and all his famous friends, by the federal prosecution he was facing. It was a perfect storm to drive a sociopathic malignant narcissist to take their own life.

Jeffrey Epstein was also a very clever person. It would not have taken him long to figure out the system at the jail where he was being held and to find weaknesses that would allow him the opportunity to suicide.

I really think it is much more likely than not that he took his own life.

I agree.
I don't think anyone will ever know for sure, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious what most people believe. Personally, I think that he did actually do it, but most of my friends think he was murdered.

Nah he was murdered, as were Virginia and the Frenchman who supplied the women to Epstein and Trump. One suicide okay. Three suicides, no freaking way.

It’s becoming Clintonesque…