AI has taken good paying, stable jobs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

If you want to handle things like we did during the Industrial Revolution, you are either ignorant of history or a psychopath.

Are you familiar with the term "Luddite"? That movement was futile then and would be so now. Adapt or don't it's your choice, but society should not bear the burden of those who choose to remain stagnant.

I'm not advocating for preventing the advancement (and I'm in tech) but in providing a smoother transition to the new world order than people hungry on the streets. There is a very real risk of returning to feudalism, where everything is owned by the small cabal of the ownership class, and the rest of us toil in the foods and dig ditches or whatever is not high value enough to implement robot to do.

[Anonymous]

Why do they want people to have more kids if there is no work for therm to do and no money for them to live off? The coming population crunch may right size society to match the AI economy as well as help climate change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do they want people to have more kids if there is no work for therm to do and no money for them to live off? The coming population crunch may right size society to match the AI economy as well as help climate change?

They don’t. Empty words, and no real action to support families. Quite the opposite is happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the trillions of dollars companies will now make by eliminating humans and replacing them with AI, these companies should pay a universal income/salary to people who would otherwise have had entry level and managerial jobs that don’t exist anymore.

This is where we are. You can’t make a living anymore with a good paying stable job. It’s not available anymore. AI should be regulated. This is already not working out. Where are people supposed to go to get their foot in the door now and make a decent living when everything is being taken over by companies that make more money than they actually need?

And guess what, consumers aren’t going to be able to buy what they offer anyway since so many of us are already unemployed and underemployed.

If you aren’t encouraging your teens to consider the following types of professions, the economic fate of your children is on you.

Athletic Trainer
Carpenter
Chef
Child Care Worker
Dentist
Doctor
Electrician
EMT
Firefighter
HVAC
Human Resources
Lawyer
Mechanic
Mental Health Practitioner
Nurse
Occupational Therapist
Paramedic
Personal Trainer
Physical Therapist
Plumber
Police Officer
Public Relations
Sales
Social Worker
Speech Pathologist
Teachers
Veterinarian

You mean low paying jobs to serve you.

Is that better than UBI? Wealthy people shouldn’t expect to remain wealthy through UBI.

You are wealthy. Jobs will change as they always have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the trillions of dollars companies will now make by eliminating humans and replacing them with AI, these companies should pay a universal income/salary to people who would otherwise have had entry level and managerial jobs that don’t exist anymore.

This is where we are. You can’t make a living anymore with a good paying stable job. It’s not available anymore. AI should be regulated. This is already not working out. Where are people supposed to go to get their foot in the door now and make a decent living when everything is being taken over by companies that make more money than they actually need?

And guess what, consumers aren’t going to be able to buy what they offer anyway since so many of us are already unemployed and underemployed.

If you aren’t encouraging your teens to consider the following types of professions, the economic fate of your children is on you.

Athletic Trainer
Carpenter
Chef
Child Care Worker
Dentist
Doctor
Electrician
EMT
Firefighter
HVAC
Human Resources
Lawyer
Mechanic
Mental Health Practitioner
Nurse
Occupational Therapist
Paramedic
Personal Trainer
Physical Therapist
Plumber
Police Officer
Public Relations
Sales
Social Worker
Speech Pathologist
Teachers
Veterinarian

You mean low paying jobs to serve you.

Is that better than UBI? Wealthy people shouldn’t expect to remain wealthy through UBI.

You are wealthy. Jobs will change as they always have.

There’s a school of thought that believes if superintelligent AI (ASI) manages to escape from a lab, onto the internet, that it would be the first step towards human extinction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

The eventual AI-pocalypse will result in 95%+ unemployment and UBI. Companies will continue to exist and be heavily taxed to fund UBI. There will be universal healthcare until AI realizes we humans are in the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

The eventual AI-pocalypse will result in 95%+ unemployment and UBI. Companies will continue to exist and be heavily taxed to fund UBI. There will be universal healthcare until AI realizes we humans are in the way.

I hope you’re right. I would be happy with UBI plus part time job doing home health care or whatever.

[Anonymous]

IMO the crux of it is that people most impacted by AI have also just found a new weapon.

I mean it is really difficult to justify that a software developer that has been put out of work by AI development tools, can't use the new AI development tool to be more productive and produce better software.

I mean which jobs are to be "protected" and which jobs aren't. I'd like to hear what the ethical reasoning is here.

For me job protection means using AI.

Furthermore, many a office worker has stood by while those of us in Software Engineering have been subject to all kinds of global pressures. I've been saying this for a while there was zero reason we as a society needed come this far this fast. This is what you asked for with all of your immigration policies. This is what a labor bubble looks like.

When did any of ye white collar workers come to our aid? "But wait the Software Engineers don't need that much competition!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the trillions of dollars companies will now make by eliminating humans and replacing them with AI, these companies should pay a universal income/salary to people who would otherwise have had entry level and managerial jobs that don’t exist anymore.

This is where we are. You can’t make a living anymore with a good paying stable job. It’s not available anymore. AI should be regulated. This is already not working out. Where are people supposed to go to get their foot in the door now and make a decent living when everything is being taken over by companies that make more money than they actually need?

And guess what, consumers aren’t going to be able to buy what they offer anyway since so many of us are already unemployed and underemployed.

If you aren’t encouraging your teens to consider the following types of professions, the economic fate of your children is on you.

Athletic Trainer
Carpenter
Chef
Child Care Worker
Dentist
Doctor
Electrician
EMT
Firefighter
HVAC
Human Resources
Lawyer
Mechanic
Mental Health Practitioner
Nurse
Occupational Therapist
Paramedic
Personal Trainer
Physical Therapist
Plumber
Police Officer
Public Relations
Sales
Social Worker
Speech Pathologist
Teachers
Veterinarian

I think demand is going to drop on teaching and child care. I don’t think the birth rate is going to recover anytime soon as well as the recent push for home schooling. Nobody is going to need a daycare or a nanny if they are unemployed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

The eventual AI-pocalypse will result in 95%+ unemployment and UBI. Companies will continue to exist and be heavily taxed to fund UBI. There will be universal healthcare until AI realizes we humans are in the way.

I hope you’re right. I would be happy with UBI plus part time job doing home health care or whatever.

I heard an interview today about universal UBI. What happens when you want to take a hike in a national park, but 2M people had the same idea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

The eventual AI-pocalypse will result in 95%+ unemployment and UBI. Companies will continue to exist and be heavily taxed to fund UBI. There will be universal healthcare until AI realizes we humans are in the way.

I hope you’re right. I would be happy with UBI plus part time job doing home health care or whatever.

I heard an interview today about universal UBI. What happens when you want to take a hike in a national park, but 2M people had the same idea?

Not to worry, because everything will be free, paid for by "someone else". Nobody will need to work and the biggest challenge will be finding new recreational activities while you wait to die of old age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

The eventual AI-pocalypse will result in 95%+ unemployment and UBI. Companies will continue to exist and be heavily taxed to fund UBI. There will be universal healthcare until AI realizes we humans are in the way.

I hope you’re right. I would be happy with UBI plus part time job doing home health care or whatever.

I heard an interview today about universal UBI. What happens when you want to take a hike in a national park, but 2M people had the same idea?

The robot A.I. controlled park rangers limit entrance with force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is why Congress needs to act and ban AI.

Politicians want it more than anyone. Imagine the power it could give them, a surveillance state unimagined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So because some people can't figure out which jobs are not going to be replaced with AI, we should just give them money to do nothing? Why didn't countries do that during the industrial revolution, when automation began to reduce the need for manual labor in many roles? Because it's a stupid idea which would merely encourage indolence instead of initiative.

There are new types of jobs developing all the time, and plenty of jobs which are largely unaffected or merely enhanced by AI. Just because you're blind to them, or too wedded to what you do now, or to what you used to do, is no reason for society to just start supporting you instead of you figuring out how to support yourself.

Do you really think there are jobs that won’t be affected by AI?

Even if it’s a job that cannot be performed by AI, it will still be affected, more or less by one of these 2 things:

Fewer customers due to mass layoffs, for example less people are able to pay carpenters for renovations and repairs
Lower pay due to increased competition for jobs - if everyone moves to carpentry or other physical labor job, then those wages go down as well.

There is absolutely no job that is immune to these forces in some way or another.
It really is a race to the bottom, unless we do something about it.

In order to have a diverse and vibrant economy, we need more people to have jobs and spend money.
We need some type of 21st century WPA to keep people in jobs. There is plenty of non laptop work that needs to be done. Unfortunately this will probably mean printing money, but the alternative is deflation and becoming underwater on our homes and that would also be a disaster.
Decoupling health insurance from employment would go along ways towards increased job flexibility and potentially job sharing or spreading FTEs out between more people as PT.
There’s only so much money a small group of billionaires can spend. Normal people’s spending is what keeps the wheels in motion and more people employed.

The eventual AI-pocalypse will result in 95%+ unemployment and UBI. Companies will continue to exist and be heavily taxed to fund UBI. There will be universal healthcare until AI realizes we humans are in the way.

There is something that you forget..very wealthy people take pleasure in seeing others suffer. It's simply true. These capital owners who are funding AI today if they could get away with paying $0 in tax, they will do it with a heart beat. And they are close to it. And they are also making sure that THEIR children don't bail you out of poverty either. Who do you think funded "Citizens United". Who do you think is driving the movement to strip benefits from workers? Who do you think drive the tax debate?

UBI is a distraction. They want you to think that they care. No their ultimate goal is to create a dependent class without a government to help them. Look at some of the richest people in this country and dona simple Google search about some of the sh*&$t these people believe in.