Heard a podcast claiming 30% of college students disabled?

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Anonymous wrote:What's shocking is that these types of accommodations aren't offered in jobs after college.

Thank god we don’t

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Anonymous wrote:My DC was a Head TA at top 10 university and he was in charge of grading exams, papers etc.

He said about 25-30% get caught cheating and that about the same % asks for special "accommodations" based on ADH/ADHD etc. every single time there is a test, paper etc.

He thinks most of those seeking untimed test, extra time etc. were fake.

Well, I have taught at an Ivy and a SLAC and this was not my experience at all, not even close. The percentage granted accommodations was much smaller and the students who were allowed extra time rarely took it.

If the numbers have not made clear to you, there is a wide discrepancy between schools; there is also a wide discrepancy in subjects. Might I also suggest that your tests were not the kind that those who had accommodations felt they needed to take in order to do well? The fact that they did not take the extra time says it all: word gets around.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS has a learning disability and he’s not planning on reporting it to his university. So, I can see unreported disabilities in there.

He has a choice to report or not on his application. But he might benefit from registering with the disability office at his university.

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Anonymous wrote:What's shocking is that these types of accommodations aren't offered in jobs after college.

Thank god we don’t

Um, employers are required to provide reasonable accommodations to workers with disabilities. Time to check in with HR!

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that even in law schools students are getting exemptions from timed finals.

It kind of blows my mind that in 2 decades we have basically thrown out measuring processing speed as a type of academic skill relevant to assessment. I guess I am biased since speed and tests are my strong point, but I do think that the capacity to absorb and understand information quickly is highly relevant to a lot of metrics of ability.

I’m the same as far as speed and tests but I also recognize that it really isn’t a major factor in most real life scenarios, including most legal jobs. I think it is not excused for assessments where speed is an essential part of the test — things like fire fighting, some medical skills, culinary classes, etc. Even for people who write on a deadline, timed exercises are not really reflective of the demands — you can generally just work later into the evening if you need more time since none of us are hourly employees. And for many people, they don’t need the extra time so long as they don’t have the anxiety of the ticking time clock pressure.

It absolutely is a factor in most legal jobs. Why do you think it is the kids with high LSATs and grades (under the old system) that end up eg Solicitor General? It’s not the only factor, but if you don’t have a basic level of intellectual speed, you cannot keep up at elite levels.

I agree. If your are in court you need to be able to analyze things almost instantly.

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Anonymous wrote:What's shocking is that these types of accommodations aren't offered in jobs after college.

Thank god we don’t

Um, employers are required to provide reasonable accommodations to workers with disabilities. Time to check in with HR!

Not to the extent that educational institutions are required.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you want to change, exactly? A lot of accommodations in college are related to allergies (to ensure housing and food safety for students on campus).

Big scam at my kid's college because people want to be assigned to the air conditioned dorms or get special permission to install a window air conditioner.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's shocking is that these types of accommodations aren't offered in jobs after college.

Thank god we don’t

Um, employers are required to provide reasonable accommodations to workers with disabilities. Time to check in with HR!

Not to the extent that educational institutions are required.

Well they still have to do the work required of them. Accommodations are different than lowering the requirements of the job.

To be fair though, I do think a lot of high school and college accommodations would allow non disabled students to succeed too when they’re unable to succeed otherwise. Things like extra time on tests and notes ahead of time help a lot.

I think the thought process is that kids will choose occupations that allow them to succeed and not ones that they’d struggle with. Like a kid with reading issues wouldn’t become a lawyer (choosing a vague issue here).

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Anonymous wrote:What do you want to change, exactly? A lot of accommodations in college are related to allergies (to ensure housing and food safety for students on campus).

Big scam at my kid's college because people want to be assigned to the air conditioned dorms or get special permission to install a window air conditioner.

What college is your kid at that doesn’t have ACs?? I’m not even very high maintenance but I don’t think I could sleep while sweating.

I went to university of Florida and was assigned a non air conditioned dorm. Nope. I immediately rented an apartment instead, as did most of the kids on my floor. It was SO HOT in August in Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's shocking is that these types of accommodations aren't offered in jobs after college.

Thank god we don’t

Um, employers are required to provide reasonable accommodations to workers with disabilities. Time to check in with HR!

Not to the extent that educational institutions are required.

Well they still have to do the work required of them. Accommodations are different than lowering the requirements of the job.

To be fair though, I do think a lot of high school and college accommodations would allow non disabled students to succeed too when they’re unable to succeed otherwise. Things like extra time on tests and notes ahead of time help a lot.

I think the thought process is that kids will choose occupations that allow them to succeed and not ones that they’d struggle with. Like a kid with reading issues wouldn’t become a lawyer (choosing a vague issue here).

Yes, that’s why it’s good that workplace requirements are not at the same level as educational accommodations.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you want to change, exactly? A lot of accommodations in college are related to allergies (to ensure housing and food safety for students on campus).

Big scam at my kid's college because people want to be assigned to the air conditioned dorms or get special permission to install a window air conditioner.

What college is your kid at that doesn’t have ACs?? I’m not even very high maintenance but I don’t think I could sleep while sweating.

I went to university of Florida and was assigned a non air conditioned dorm. Nope. I immediately rented an apartment instead, as did most of the kids on my floor. It was SO HOT in August in Florida.

UMD and Tech are two that don’t have AC in every dorm. There are many many other colleges that do not.

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Anonymous wrote:Debated getting DD checked for slow processing speed at beginning of MS because she definitely has that. But decided against it because even with accomodations in school, jobs won't extend that. So best to learn how to work with the brain you have in the system we have and push the brain to the max capacity. Much easier to do that when young and brain is most plastic and also when young because there is the support and safety net of parents.

I thought to have extra time accommodations when in school and then not have it suddenly as an adult will be a rude awakening. This way DD will force her brain to adapt a bit and also she will find a career path that suits her.

In my field of work, slow processing wouldn't work and their can be no accommodations. I work at top speed everyday with massive amounts of information, and critically make judgements and decisions that affect other people's wellbeing. DD won't end up in my job but that's ok. She will find her way.

She's near the end of MS now, and the processing speed has gotten better in my assessment, and same with her memory and ability to connect information. She's not the brightest or the fastest by any means, but the improvement as been marked!

The brain can adapt and rise to the occassion more than many parents are allowing for their kids. For me it is more important to expand her brain's abilities and struggle right now while I can support her than it is for me for her to get straight As. I decided accommodations may help her grades now but would not be in her best interest in the long run. Forcing her brain to make and strengthen these neuronal connections will serve her much better for her life.

+++ that is a bold and correct decision

I totally agree too. And it doesn’t feel politically correct to say it. The brain is a muscle and it’s better for kids to work it as hard as they can in school.

My parents felt the same way about executive functioning skills. They were basically drill sergeants. My siblings and I know how to keep a calendar, a clean house, and get our school work done. I know for a fact that if I had laid back parents I would have floundered.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you want to change, exactly? A lot of accommodations in college are related to allergies (to ensure housing and food safety for students on campus).

Big scam at my kid's college because people want to be assigned to the air conditioned dorms or get special permission to install a window air conditioner.

What college is your kid at that doesn’t have ACs?? I’m not even very high maintenance but I don’t think I could sleep while sweating.

I went to university of Florida and was assigned a non air conditioned dorm. Nope. I immediately rented an apartment instead, as did most of the kids on my floor. It was SO HOT in August in Florida.

I went to an Ivy and we did not have AC in most of the dorms. Some newer ones do, but in the older dorms, you need to buy and install a window unit or just suffer and I did the latter. One time it was so hot and I couldn't sleep so I went to a 24 hour computer lab and slept on a chair.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 25 liberal arts schools, even higher than national universities

3% or less Air Force, Navy, Washington & Lee, West Point
7.36% Bowdoin
8.11% Wellesley
11.93% Hamilton
12.40% Claremont McKenna
12.58% Carleton
15.00% Bates
17.00% Richmond
17.90% Colgate
20.11% Harvey Mudd
20.12% Williams
20.99% Swarthmore
21.00% Grinnell
24.95% Davidson
25.00% Middlebury
25.06% Wesleyan
26.69% Pomona
26.77% Colby
27.00% Vassar
27.20% Haverford
28.00% Barnard
34.00% Amherst
38.00% Smith

Because the students there are mostly made up of the key demo for the fabricated diagnosis scam: white liberal UMC/affluent suburbanites.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 25 liberal arts schools, even higher than national universities

3% or less Air Force, Navy, Washington & Lee, West Point
7.36% Bowdoin
8.11% Wellesley
11.93% Hamilton
12.40% Claremont McKenna
12.58% Carleton
15.00% Bates
17.00% Richmond
17.90% Colgate
20.11% Harvey Mudd
20.12% Williams
20.99% Swarthmore
21.00% Grinnell
24.95% Davidson
25.00% Middlebury
25.06% Wesleyan
26.69% Pomona
26.77% Colby
27.00% Vassar
27.20% Haverford
28.00% Barnard
34.00% Amherst
38.00% Smith

Because the students there are mostly made up of the key demo for the fabricated diagnosis scam: white liberal UMC/affluent suburbanites.

True.