Mls Next going to school year?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for mlsn isn’t whether 1/1 or 8/1 is better. They’ve made it clear they prefer 1/1.

Mlsn needs to determine if staying 1/1 with everyone else going 8/1 will help or hurt them. Changing to 8/1 maintains status quo. Staying 1/1 with everyone else changing to 8/1 is a risk and they better be darn sure doing something different from everyone else will end up helping them.

There is zero risk to MLS Next

They are the top and superior league
Best players will gravitate there no matter the age cutoff

Acting on assumptions like this are how leagues go under. Can you imagine a business making a decision this way?

Mlsn is currently debating the pros and cons. If the above was correct they would have come out and announced they are staying BY a long time ago. It’s almost November and we are still waiting for a decision from them.

What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Club Academies?
What's the ECNL equivalent to Generation Adidas Cup?
What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Next Cup with Scouts and College coaches?

Not rhetorical questions

Uh, it’s all a form of glorified rec. You are holding on too tight dude.

Whats the percentage of MLS Next to ECNL players on USYNT?

P2P MLSN (90% of MLSN) is 0%. Don't associate yourself with MLSN Academy. There is no connection except for one token game a year that we are playing down on a younger MLS Academy team now.

MLSNp2p:MLSNacademy
Ground beef:ground chuck

MLSremier league
Chopped sirloin: Filet Mignon

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for mlsn isn’t whether 1/1 or 8/1 is better. They’ve made it clear they prefer 1/1.

Mlsn needs to determine if staying 1/1 with everyone else going 8/1 will help or hurt them. Changing to 8/1 maintains status quo. Staying 1/1 with everyone else changing to 8/1 is a risk and they better be darn sure doing something different from everyone else will end up helping them.

There is zero risk to MLS Next

They are the top and superior league
Best players will gravitate there no matter the age cutoff

Acting on assumptions like this are how leagues go under. Can you imagine a business making a decision this way?

Mlsn is currently debating the pros and cons. If the above was correct they would have come out and announced they are staying BY a long time ago. It’s almost November and we are still waiting for a decision from them.

What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Club Academies?
What's the ECNL equivalent to Generation Adidas Cup?
What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Next Cup with Scouts and College coaches?

Not rhetorical questions

Uh, it’s all a form of glorified rec. You are holding on too tight dude.

Whats the percentage of MLS Next to ECNL players on USYNT?

P2P MLSN (90% of MLSN) is 0%. Don't associate yourself with MLSN Academy. There is no connection except for one token game a year that we are playing down on a younger MLS Academy team now.

The question was MLS Next to ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

European countries use BY Jan 1st to Dec 31st

If that also happens to be the School Year start end, then its correlation not causation

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

I like countries saying if you were born in 2024 you are in X grade. Makes so much more sense. Doesn't really matter when the school year starts.

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

I like countries saying if you were born in 2024 you are in X grade. Makes so much more sense. Doesn't really matter when the school year starts.

I agree - it seems like calendar year is a simple and straight-forward system for school cutoffs. That said, there is some logic for making the school cutoff date be related to the start of the school year, i.e., if you're 5 years old by the time school starts in August/September, you're old enough to start kindergarten etc.

What I don't like is having one cutoff date for schools (and school sports) and another cutoff date for club sports. The youth soccer season in the U.S. starts in the fall so it would seem logical to return to a September 1 cutoff to sync with school cutoffs and to sync to the start of the soccer season. There is no reason for making the club sports cutoff January 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

European countries use BY Jan 1st to Dec 31st

If that also happens to be the School Year start end, then its correlation not causation

Is England considered Europe? They have a 9/1 cutoff date for school and a 9/1 cutoff date for football. Spain, Belgium, I’m sure others I don’t know of, use BY for school and sports. Seems more than just correlation.

This question would be easier to answer if the US had one school cutoff date but we don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for mlsn isn’t whether 1/1 or 8/1 is better. They’ve made it clear they prefer 1/1.

Mlsn needs to determine if staying 1/1 with everyone else going 8/1 will help or hurt them. Changing to 8/1 maintains status quo. Staying 1/1 with everyone else changing to 8/1 is a risk and they better be darn sure doing something different from everyone else will end up helping them.

There is zero risk to MLS Next

They are the top and superior league
Best players will gravitate there no matter the age cutoff

Acting on assumptions like this are how leagues go under. Can you imagine a business making a decision this way?

Mlsn is currently debating the pros and cons. If the above was correct they would have come out and announced they are staying BY a long time ago. It’s almost November and we are still waiting for a decision from them.

What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Club Academies?
What's the ECNL equivalent to Generation Adidas Cup?
What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Next Cup with Scouts and College coaches?

Not rhetorical questions

Uh, it’s all a form of glorified rec. You are holding on too tight dude.

Whats the percentage of MLS Next to ECNL players on USYNT?

P2P MLSN (90% of MLSN) is 0%. Don't associate yourself with MLSN Academy. There is no connection except for one token game a year that we are playing down on a younger MLS Academy team now.

Drrr.... the league is literally named MSLN Academy tier.... perhaps you couldn't read any of the 10000 mentions while looking down your nose at everything.

PSA: Your kid's not going pro either

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Someone on this forum keeps posting like MLsN academies are a heartbeat from going pro. They must be trolling or have fully drank the kool aid. Either way, not based in reality. Watching p2p vs MlSN academy even at u17 and u19 is no where near other countries top youth leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

European countries use BY Jan 1st to Dec 31st

If that also happens to be the School Year start end, then its correlation not causation

Is England considered Europe? They have a 9/1 cutoff date for school and a 9/1 cutoff date for football. Spain, Belgium, I’m sure others I don’t know of, use BY for school and sports. Seems more than just correlation.

This question would be easier to answer if the US had one school cutoff date but we don’t.

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England is not Europe nor considered Europe

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Anonymous wrote:Any updates for the 26-27 season?

I think you missed the announcement, they will shift to a new age-bracket for the 27-28 season. It won't be a school year bracket, it will be a new 12 month window (1-August to 31-July). That grouping does not line-up with most school years at all.

It's amazing how much discussion happens over stuff like this. There's always going to be a cutoff date. I remember years ago when the switch to calendar year happened, my kids' teams all got broken up and they were no longer playing with many of their peers from school. It was very disruptive. Now they are thinking about changing it again? Sheesh! Why did they change it in the first place?

Apparently, most European football youth academies use school-age grouping with a cutoff of September 1st. I think that used to be what we did before they changed it all several years ago. Pointless tinkering rather than addressing any real challenges.

England does school year, not Europe

Thank you for clarifying this. The SY proponents like to paint with a wide brush implying certain things. In this case that Europe is all SY when in reality its only England. Everyone else is BY

The irony of England being SY is that top EPL Acadamies buy players from other clubs that most of the time are BY.

Most of Europe groups grade by BY so by grouping soccer ages by BY it also aligns with grade. England groups grade by 9/1 so also groups soccer by 9/1.

There is nothing magic about an age range. Good development can occur with ages that are 1/1 or 8/1 or 9/1.

This seems to me to be the most relevant point: Europeans align their soccer club age groupings with whatever they use for school year age groupings.

If the USA used birth year for school grouping, it would make sense to stick with birth year for sports grouping. But we don't - we group school kids by a September-to-September year. It would make the most sense to align the sports grouping with the school grouping just like successful soccer nations do.

School isn't where the highest quality coaches and players are. That's club soccer.

So why the importance to align with school year?

So kids are playing club sports with the same cohort of kids they are in class with and playing school sports with. To encourage greater participation in club sports where kids can play with/against their classmates. And because that's what the successful soccer nations do.

The real question to ask is: Why have one cutoff for school/school-sports and a completely different cutoff for club sports?

This is definitely the right question, and because it was never convincingly answered, we are switching back.

Yeah -- successful soccer nations sync their club sports cutoff with their school cutoff. If the school uses January 1st, the club system uses January 1st; if the school uses September 1st, the club system uses September 1st. It's not complicated.

Only in the USA do we have a mismatch between school grouping and club soccer grouping.

Stop making up crap man. Many of us have lived in Europe or have family there or go there frequently

>"The school year in European countries typically begins in September, though some start in August and others in October. For countries starting in August, it's often in the Nordic region, with some parts of Germany and the Netherlands starting in late August or September. Many Central and Eastern European countries have an October start. The exact date can vary by region within a country, especially in larger or federal states"<

Dual citizen here and while my kids live here and go to school here, I'm very familiar with the school and club systems in Europe because of extended family there.

Your quote is meaningless. No one is talking about the dates when school classes start -- that's irrelevant.

The issue is, for grouping kids for school grades, there's a cutoff date used in every country; and in European countries the date used for school cutoff is the same date used for club sports cutoff.

Some European countries group school kids by calendar year starting January 1st -- that means, for example, all kids born in calendar year 2016 (January 1st to December 31st) will be in fourth grade; and in those countries January 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

Some European countries group school kids by another date range, generally September 1st -- which means, for example, all kids born September 1st 2015 to August 31st 2016 will be in fourth grade; and in those countries September 1st is used as the cutoff date for club sports as well.

In the U.S., with some regional variation, we generally use September 1st as the cutoff for school (which includes school sports and academic classes, obviously). The question is, why does our club sports cutoff date not match the school cutoff date as it does in nearly every European country?

European countries use BY Jan 1st to Dec 31st

If that also happens to be the School Year start end, then its correlation not causation

Is England considered Europe? They have a 9/1 cutoff date for school and a 9/1 cutoff date for football. Spain, Belgium, I’m sure others I don’t know of, use BY for school and sports. Seems more than just correlation.

This question would be easier to answer if the US had one school cutoff date but we don’t.

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England is not Europe nor considered Europe

And now we have arrived at the most confusing take of all the age group threads. Congratulations to you!

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on this forum keeps posting like MLsN academies are a heartbeat from going pro. They must be trolling or have fully drank the kool aid. Either way, not based in reality. Watching p2p vs MlSN academy even at u17 and u19 is no where near other countries top youth leagues.

In your mind they're nowhere near at U17

In reality and head to head competition says different

It's at U18+ the separation really starts to happen

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for mlsn isn’t whether 1/1 or 8/1 is better. They’ve made it clear they prefer 1/1.

Mlsn needs to determine if staying 1/1 with everyone else going 8/1 will help or hurt them. Changing to 8/1 maintains status quo. Staying 1/1 with everyone else changing to 8/1 is a risk and they better be darn sure doing something different from everyone else will end up helping them.

There is zero risk to MLS Next

They are the top and superior league
Best players will gravitate there no matter the age cutoff

Acting on assumptions like this are how leagues go under. Can you imagine a business making a decision this way?

Mlsn is currently debating the pros and cons. If the above was correct they would have come out and announced they are staying BY a long time ago. It’s almost November and we are still waiting for a decision from them.

What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Club Academies?
What's the ECNL equivalent to Generation Adidas Cup?
What's the ECNL equivalent to MLS Next Cup with Scouts and College coaches?

Not rhetorical questions

Uh, it’s all a form of glorified rec. You are holding on too tight dude.

Whats the percentage of MLS Next to ECNL players on USYNT?

P2P MLSN (90% of MLSN) is 0%. Don't associate yourself with MLSN Academy. There is no connection except for one token game a year that we are playing down on a younger MLS Academy team now.

Drrr.... the league is literally named MSLN Academy tier.... perhaps you couldn't read any of the 10000 mentions while looking down your nose at everything.

PSA: Your kid's not going pro either

You are a fool. They name it that way to fool stupid ass like you. It is MLS2, the B team league.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on this forum keeps posting like MLsN academies are a heartbeat from going pro. They must be trolling or have fully drank the kool aid. Either way, not based in reality. Watching p2p vs MlSN academy even at u17 and u19 is no where near other countries top youth leagues.

In your mind they're nowhere near at U17

In reality and head to head competition says different

It's at U18+ the separation really starts to happen

Nope, Europe gets better players because they pay them the most. Its that simple. The entire Academy system is there for money to find the most talented players. We kind of do the same thing with baseball.

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High school age kids make more money playing baseball than 98% of the guys playing in MLS.