Post calculus classes in HS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My engineering majors chose to start in Calc 2 and Physics 1 despite having taken MV and both physics at the highschool AP level. I have two engineers at different colleges and both schools cautioned that it was better to “repeat” some of these foundational classes at the college level because they are more in depth than the HS version and you don’t want knowledge gaps as you take the upper level courses. Both found them challenging despite some of the material being a “repeat”. Unless you’re really trying to save $ by advancing quickly and graduating early, I would not try to skip the foundation classes.

Thanks. I think he should take other electives in HS and leave the foundation classes to college. DS disagrees.

If he wants to apply to a selective school, math beyond AP Calc BC is important. Four years of math is also important — kids which did electives instead of math at our school got scr*wed in college admissions. Please be careful!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My engineering majors chose to start in Calc 2 and Physics 1 despite having taken MV and both physics at the highschool AP level. I have two engineers at different colleges and both schools cautioned that it was better to “repeat” some of these foundational classes at the college level because they are more in depth than the HS version and you don’t want knowledge gaps as you take the upper level courses. Both found them challenging despite some of the material being a “repeat”. Unless you’re really trying to save $ by advancing quickly and graduating early, I would not try to skip the foundation classes.

Thanks. I think he should take other electives in HS and leave the foundation classes to college. DS disagrees.

If he wants to apply to a selective school, math beyond AP Calc BC is important. Four years of math is also important — kids which did electives instead of math at our school got scr*wed in college admissions. Please be careful!

MCPS requires students to take a math class every year they are enrolled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

Agreed. My senior currently taking MVC is one of maybe 10 in the graduating class of 500. Might do linear algebra in the spring; TBD.

Why is it so rare? 7th grade algebra is fairly common, and that leads to MVC at a normal pace with BC so what gives?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

My child and at least 2 dozen of his class mates have all completed MVC, LA, and DE in high school. It is hardly rare.

Which maths classes did they take from 6th grade onwards?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Son is a freshmen at UMD this year, graduated high school with an associates from local community college. UMD took all of his credits so he is starting off with DiffEq for math, which has been challenging, but doable. His friends who are taking Calc 3 at UMD are actually struggling more than the higher level math.

Is that just selection bias, or does you son think he would have struggled in calc 3 as well?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

My child and at least 2 dozen of his class mates have all completed MVC, LA, and DE in high school. It is hardly rare.

Ok, let’s say there are 200,000 HS students in the DMV, or 50,000 graduating seniors. How many do you think will have taken all three of those classes before they graduate? Half? 5,000? 500? 150?

I find it kind of interesting that a very small number of kids take these super advanced math classes yet apparently a huge percentage of the parents of these kids waste their days posting here. One would think that such smart parents could be using their time more productively (obviously including myself in this group of those who are wasting their time).

DCUM - home of the humblebrag.

You could say the same things about the sports parents in the sports threads, but I bet you won't. If you go on a thread about X, don't get mad when X people show up.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from![/quote]

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.[/quote]

Agreed. My senior currently taking MVC is one of maybe 10 in the graduating class of 500. Might do linear algebra in the spring; TBD. [/quote]

And those 10 are most likely to go to elite/ivy/CMU/ucb types of schools
My kids magnet in the region has 14 kids out of hundreds; the unhooked ivy/mit admits most commonly come from that group. Fastforward to kids ivy, which has a placement test, and the most common calc class that freshman take in fall correlates to BC calc. A very close second is MVC. For those in kid’s engineering track MVC is slightly more common than the correlative to BC. The class that corresponds closest to AB calc is the third most common for freshman, and the one below that is quite rare. [/quote] When did those 14 break from the pack, and how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

My child and at least 2 dozen of his class mates have all completed MVC, LA, and DE in high school. It is hardly rare.

Ok, let’s say there are 200,000 HS students in the DMV, or 50,000 graduating seniors. How many do you think will have taken all three of those classes before they graduate? Half? 5,000? 500? 150?

I find it kind of interesting that a very small number of kids take these super advanced math classes yet apparently a huge percentage of the parents of these kids waste their days posting here. One would think that such smart parents could be using their time more productively (obviously including myself in this group of those who are wasting their time).

DCUM - home of the humblebrag.

These are not "super advanced math classes". Yes, they are beyond Calc, but just further along. No one is impressed and it does not give any advantage in college applications, much to the disbelief of parents.

My child did this because they want to major in math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

Agreed. My senior currently taking MVC is one of maybe 10 in the graduating class of 500. Might do linear algebra in the spring; TBD.

Why is it so rare? 7th grade algebra is fairly common, and that leads to MVC at a normal pace with BC so what gives?

Our HS doesn’t offer MVC. The students taking it are doing so at a university through an agreement with the school system, which is an awesome opportunity but also creates lots of hurdles—you have to apply/be accepted then build your senior year schedule to accommodate the class off-campus. It’s a pain, and if my kid weren’t an aspiring math major, I probably would not have encouraged him to do it.

Most of the kids taking BC junior year take AP stats senior year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My engineering majors chose to start in Calc 2 and Physics 1 despite having taken MV and both physics at the highschool AP level. I have two engineers at different colleges and both schools cautioned that it was better to “repeat” some of these foundational classes at the college level because they are more in depth than the HS version and you don’t want knowledge gaps as you take the upper level courses. Both found them challenging despite some of the material being a “repeat”. Unless you’re really trying to save $ by advancing quickly and graduating early, I would not try to skip the foundation classes.

Thanks. I think he should take other electives in HS and leave the foundation classes to college. DS disagrees.

If he wants to apply to a selective school, math beyond AP Calc BC is important. Four years of math is also important — kids which did electives instead of math at our school got scr*wed in college admissions. Please be careful!

My kid took Calc BC his junior year. His private HS did not offer math beyond BC so he did not take a math his senior year. Accepted to a Top 10, Top 20 and a Top Engineering school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My engineering majors chose to start in Calc 2 and Physics 1 despite having taken MV and both physics at the highschool AP level. I have two engineers at different colleges and both schools cautioned that it was better to “repeat” some of these foundational classes at the college level because they are more in depth than the HS version and you don’t want knowledge gaps as you take the upper level courses. Both found them challenging despite some of the material being a “repeat”. Unless you’re really trying to save $ by advancing quickly and graduating early, I would not try to skip the foundation classes.

Thanks. I think he should take other electives in HS and leave the foundation classes to college. DS disagrees.

If he wants to apply to a selective school, math beyond AP Calc BC is important. Four years of math is also important — kids which did electives instead of math at our school got scr*wed in college admissions. Please be careful!

My kid took Calc BC his junior year. His private HS did not offer math beyond BC so he did not take a math his senior year. Accepted to a Top 10, Top 20 and a Top Engineering school.

To add, this was last cycle and no he did not take stats his senior year. Kid was captain on two varsity sports teams and tons of leadership activities. Top schools are looking for well rounded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My engineering majors chose to start in Calc 2 and Physics 1 despite having taken MV and both physics at the highschool AP level. I have two engineers at different colleges and both schools cautioned that it was better to “repeat” some of these foundational classes at the college level because they are more in depth than the HS version and you don’t want knowledge gaps as you take the upper level courses. Both found them challenging despite some of the material being a “repeat”. Unless you’re really trying to save $ by advancing quickly and graduating early, I would not try to skip the foundation classes.

Thanks. I think he should take other electives in HS and leave the foundation classes to college. DS disagrees.

If he wants to apply to a selective school, math beyond AP Calc BC is important. Four years of math is also important — kids which did electives instead of math at our school got scr*wed in college admissions. Please be careful!

My kid took Calc BC his junior year. His private HS did not offer math beyond BC so he did not take a math his senior year. Accepted to a Top 10, Top 20 and a Top Engineering school.

To add, this was last cycle and no he did not take stats his senior year. Kid was captain on two varsity sports teams and tons of leadership activities. Top schools are looking for well rounded.

I’m always intrigued by things like “ tons of leadership”. Care to elaborate? Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

My child and at least 2 dozen of his class mates have all completed MVC, LA, and DE in high school. It is hardly rare.

Ok, let’s say there are 200,000 HS students in the DMV, or 50,000 graduating seniors. How many do you think will have taken all three of those classes before they graduate? Half? 5,000? 500? 150?

I find it kind of interesting that a very small number of kids take these super advanced math classes yet apparently a huge percentage of the parents of these kids waste their days posting here. One would think that such smart parents could be using their time more productively (obviously including myself in this group of those who are wasting their time).

DCUM - home of the humblebrag.

You could say the same things about the sports parents in the sports threads, but I bet you won't. If you go on a thread about X, don't get mad when X people show up.

NP: If I sports thread had 40 of the top 50 lax or volleyball or tiddlywinks players from the area all posting I would also find that odd.

And as a reminder, kids need to take the best their schools offer. So if your child's school only goes through BC, your child is at no disadvantage to these kids taking classes beyond BC.

And to the poster who said their child took BC as a junior then nothing as a senior, they should strongly consider retaking something as a freshman at college, or at least make sure to take math as a first semester freshman. Back in the dark ages when it was really impressive to take BC as a junior I did so then took the equivalent of third semester college math fall of my sophomore year. Big mistake - I was very rusty and it was my lowest grade in college (a lousy professor didn't help). Once you get to college there is no rush. When in doubt, retake it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

My kid who took all three had a 770.

And, it is very very rare for kids in the DMV to take MVC, LA, and DE in high school. Don’t get the wrong impression from this thread.

MVC is more common but it is much less common to do the other two.

My child and at least 2 dozen of his class mates have all completed MVC, LA, and DE in high school. It is hardly rare.

Ok, let’s say there are 200,000 HS students in the DMV, or 50,000 graduating seniors. How many do you think will have taken all three of those classes before they graduate? Half? 5,000? 500? 150?

I find it kind of interesting that a very small number of kids take these super advanced math classes yet apparently a huge percentage of the parents of these kids waste their days posting here. One would think that such smart parents could be using their time more productively (obviously including myself in this group of those who are wasting their time).

DCUM - home of the humblebrag.

You could say the same things about the sports parents in the sports threads, but I bet you won't. If you go on a thread about X, don't get mad when X people show up.

NP: If I sports thread had 40 of the top 50 lax or volleyball or tiddlywinks players from the area all posting I would also find that odd.

And as a reminder, kids need to take the best their schools offer. So if your child's school only goes through BC, your child is at no disadvantage to these kids taking classes beyond BC.

And to the poster who said their child took BC as a junior then nothing as a senior, they should strongly consider retaking something as a freshman at college, or at least make sure to take math as a first semester freshman. Back in the dark ages when it was really impressive to take BC as a junior I did so then took the equivalent of third semester college math fall of my sophomore year. Big mistake - I was very rusty and it was my lowest grade in college (a lousy professor didn't help). Once you get to college there is no rush. When in doubt, retake it.

Or they could take math at a CC during their senior year so they don’t get rusty. AO’s love that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those whose children took multivariable, linear eq and diff eq, what were their math SAT score?

The reason I ask is because it is incredibly rare to have math beyond Calc BC where I am from!

790, but I believe SAT math only goes through Algebra 2.