Antisemitism vs anticatholicism

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Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

You don't understand because it doesn't make sense. Anti-semitics contrive reasons to hate Jews, observant ones and non observant ones. And the crazy thing is they thing the entire world hates Jews inwardly but just hasn't awoken to the natural hate within them yet. It's terrible. We see it in DCUM.

I believe anti-semitism exists, but the term is VASTLY overused. Yes, there is occasional real harm/hate against religious Jews, and that is abhorrent. No one is hating someone for their Jewish "ethnicity" unless they also hate the entire ethnicity (ie, all the Arabs of all religious backgrounds, all the Black people of all religious backgrounds, etc).

People hate successful people of all backgrounds. People hate shitty people of all backgrounds. People hate crappy ideologies held by people of all backgrounds. It is not because you're some kind of barely cultural Jew. But some people just like to hold on to a feeling of victimhood and wrap their identify around that.

And here we go………..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Antisemitism is not just about religious belief.

Bingo. Jews are despised for being Jewish, not because they are religious.

No. We despise Zionism.

No, antisemitism is a thing all on its own.

The fact that this person brought up Zionism during a discussion of antisemitism when Zionism was never mentioned to begging with pretty much says it all about people who claim antizionism isn’t antisemitism. Yup. Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget about atheism! One word about not believing in some supernatural being and not practicing some religion that believes in and worships a supernatural being and you're considered a pariah - simply for not believing that there's a God somewhere, looking out for us. And that we're all going to have some kind of an "afterlife" when we die.

People will respect people of other religions with all sorts of clashing beliefs, as long as they worship an unseen God. But there is often no respect for atheists, who simply think we're like all the other animals in the world: We live, we die.

Please stop. Being mocked or disrespected for being an atheist is not the same thing as the targeted hate, discrimination, and violence of antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

Catholic here and while I do agree there is anticatholicism, I do think it mainly focuses on beliefs and church structure. Catholicism is so diverse in every other measure (race, ethnicity socioeconomic, politics) that it is hard to discriminate based on anything other than church teachings.

Cannot say the same about Judaism being diverse. While yes, I'm sure there are Asian and black Jews, the obvious majority are Ashkenazi Jews, so that makes it much easier to murky the water between discrimination based on beliefs vs ethnicity. Also, Jews tend to be very inward looking as a group. There is a lot of focus on the Jewish people's suffering throughout history and remembering that suffering as God's chosen people (and this goes way beyond/precedes holocaust). When you have such an inward looking attitude, it attracts discrimination. Sorry just how it is. Not saying it is justified. Christianity is extremely outward looking, so it wants to reach out and connect and bring people in. I have gone to a lot of Jewish shabbat dinners etc with friends and I have never gotten that impression from Judaism. The feeling is inward, in group vs others, protecting us etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Quick question. While both are terrible, I sense that the first one is universally condemned while the second one people don’t think it’s so bad because sometimes is confused with right wing policies against abortation. But I do think that any form of discrimination against religious beliefs is wrong. It is very simple but I believe that most people will disagree with me. In some forums I post threads of anticatholicism and they are immediately deleted.

How are Catholics discriminated against?

OP, like many, confuse prejudice with discrimination. Discrimination on the basis of religion is illegal and theoretically protected against by law. But you can't legislate against prejudice. You can only appeal to reason and to the heart.

There's prejudice against both Jews and Catholics in this countries. Lots of suppositions against both groups of people based solely on their religion.

[Anonymous]

I do think anticatholicism is more prevalent than antisemitism, and moreover there is more sensitivity towards preventing antisemitism but a Desdain to prevent the attacks against Catholics because right wing politicians also share the same beliefs.

[Anonymous]

I'm Catholic and I don't buy this premise at all. No one in the US is flying the flags of a group that killed 6 million Catholics. Yet that's increasingly happening in the US. My local JCC was vandalized, no one's done that to my local Catholic church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't buy this premise at all. No one in the US is flying the flags of a group that killed 6 million Catholics. Yet that's increasingly happening in the US. My local JCC was vandalized, no one's done that to my local Catholic church.

Is antisemitism or just pure vandalism to protest against the war. I don’t buy that all acts of violence where a Jew is involved is antisemitism. Some are but not all. I do believe that if someone is opposed to abortion immediately is mocked and cancelled. That’s anticatholicism, not respecting the religious beliefs of others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

You don't understand because it doesn't make sense. Anti-semitics contrive reasons to hate Jews, observant ones and non observant ones. And the crazy thing is they thing the entire world hates Jews inwardly but just hasn't awoken to the natural hate within them yet. It's terrible. We see it in DCUM.

I believe anti-semitism exists, but the term is VASTLY overused. Yes, there is occasional real harm/hate against religious Jews, and that is abhorrent. No one is hating someone for their Jewish "ethnicity" unless they also hate the entire ethnicity (ie, all the Arabs of all religious backgrounds, all the Black people of all religious backgrounds, etc).

People hate successful people of all backgrounds. People hate shitty people of all backgrounds. People hate crappy ideologies held by people of all backgrounds. It is not because you're some kind of barely cultural Jew. But some people just like to hold on to a feeling of victimhood and wrap their identify around that.

You need to get some serious education. Jews have been persecuted literally for millennia just for being Jewish. Are you some crazy Holocause denier, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget about atheism! One word about not believing in some supernatural being and not practicing some religion that believes in and worships a supernatural being and you're considered a pariah - simply for not believing that there's a God somewhere, looking out for us. And that we're all going to have some kind of an "afterlife" when we die.

People will respect people of other religions with all sorts of clashing beliefs, as long as they worship an unseen God. But there is often no respect for atheists, who simply think we're like all the other animals in the world: We live, we die.

Nobody could care less about what atheists believe in or don't. It's the constant, nasty judgment of religious people that you atheists practice that is the problem. I get so offended by my boss, who talks constantly about how stupid people must be to be Christians. All the religious people I know in this area are highly educated, intelligent people who are astute enough to understand that believing in a higher power makes sense, while also aiding a spiritual and peaceful existence. You can deny a higher power all you want, but just stop being so rude about it. Just leave us alone.

[Anonymous]

Violence when a Jew is involved is not antisemitism always.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't buy this premise at all. No one in the US is flying the flags of a group that killed 6 million Catholics. Yet that's increasingly happening in the US. My local JCC was vandalized, no one's done that to my local Catholic church.

Is antisemitism or just pure vandalism to protest against the war. I don’t buy that all acts of violence where a Jew is involved is antisemitism. Some are but not all. I do believe that if someone is opposed to abortion immediately is mocked and cancelled. That’s anticatholicism, not respecting the religious beliefs of others.

Umm… chosing to vandalize a civil Jewish organization to make a political point about a different country is antisemitic. Not sure how this is confusing to you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't buy this premise at all. No one in the US is flying the flags of a group that killed 6 million Catholics. Yet that's increasingly happening in the US. My local JCC was vandalized, no one's done that to my local Catholic church.

Is antisemitism or just pure vandalism to protest against the war. I don’t buy that all acts of violence where a Jew is involved is antisemitism. Some are but not all. I do believe that if someone is opposed to abortion immediately is mocked and cancelled. That’s anticatholicism, not respecting the religious beliefs of others.

Umm… chosing to vandalize a civil Jewish organization to make a political point about a different country is antisemitic. Not sure how this is confusing to you!

Yes, we are supposed not to say anything about the war in Gaza because is antisemitic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't buy this premise at all. No one in the US is flying the flags of a group that killed 6 million Catholics. Yet that's increasingly happening in the US. My local JCC was vandalized, no one's done that to my local Catholic church.

Is antisemitism or just pure vandalism to protest against the war. I don’t buy that all acts of violence where a Jew is involved is antisemitism. Some are but not all. I do believe that if someone is opposed to abortion immediately is mocked and cancelled. That’s anticatholicism, not respecting the religious beliefs of others.

Surprised it needs saying, but yes, blaming Jews as a whole for the Israeli government is antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't buy this premise at all. No one in the US is flying the flags of a group that killed 6 million Catholics. Yet that's increasingly happening in the US. My local JCC was vandalized, no one's done that to my local Catholic church.

Is antisemitism or just pure vandalism to protest against the war. I don’t buy that all acts of violence where a Jew is involved is antisemitism. Some are but not all. I do believe that if someone is opposed to abortion immediately is mocked and cancelled. That’s anticatholicism, not respecting the religious beliefs of others.

Surprised it needs saying, but yes, blaming Jews as a whole for the Israeli government is antisemitism.

All acts of violence against a person with Jewish believes are antisemitism ?