Antisemitism vs anticatholicism

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Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

You don't understand because it doesn't make sense. Anti-semitics contrive reasons to hate Jews, observant ones and non observant ones. And the crazy thing is they thing the entire world hates Jews inwardly but just hasn't awoken to the natural hate within them yet. It's terrible. We see it in DCUM.

I believe anti-semitism exists, but the term is VASTLY overused. Yes, there is occasional real harm/hate against religious Jews, and that is abhorrent. No one is hating someone for their Jewish "ethnicity" unless they also hate the entire ethnicity (ie, all the Arabs of all religious backgrounds, all the Black people of all religious backgrounds, etc).

People hate successful people of all backgrounds. People hate shitty people of all backgrounds. People hate crappy ideologies held by people of all backgrounds. It is not because you're some kind of barely cultural Jew. But some people just like to hold on to a feeling of victimhood and wrap their identify around that.

No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

You don't understand because it doesn't make sense. Anti-semitics contrive reasons to hate Jews, observant ones and non observant ones. And the crazy thing is they thing the entire world hates Jews inwardly but just hasn't awoken to the natural hate within them yet. It's terrible. We see it in DCUM.

I believe anti-semitism exists, but the term is VASTLY overused. Yes, there is occasional real harm/hate against religious Jews, and that is abhorrent. No one is hating someone for their Jewish "ethnicity" unless they also hate the entire ethnicity (ie, all the Arabs of all religious backgrounds, all the Black people of all religious backgrounds, etc).

People hate successful people of all backgrounds. People hate shitty people of all backgrounds. People hate crappy ideologies held by people of all backgrounds. It is not because you're some kind of barely cultural Jew. But some people just like to hold on to a feeling of victimhood and wrap their identify around that.

No.

That's all you've got? Mmkay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget about atheism! One word about not believing in some supernatural being and not practicing some religion that believes in and worships a supernatural being and you're considered a pariah - simply for not believing that there's a God somewhere, looking out for us. And that we're all going to have some kind of an "afterlife" when we die.

People will respect people of other religions with all sorts of clashing beliefs, as long as they worship an unseen God. But there is often no respect for atheists, who simply think we're like all the other animals in the world: We live, we die.

Start your own thread.

+1. Op is not asking about athiesm.

Since when can't threads diverge a little?

I'll tell you -- when atheism is mentioned.

Start your own thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quick question. While both are terrible, I sense that the first one is universally condemned while the second one people don’t think it’s so bad because sometimes is confused with right wing policies against abortation. But I do think that any form of discrimination against religious beliefs is wrong. It is very simple but I believe that most people will disagree with me. In some forums I post threads of anticatholicism and they are immediately deleted.

Totally agree. They're both wrong. But it's here we are in society - say something against a black person and shame shame shame, but against a white male and it's ok.

[Anonymous]

So many false equivalences in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous to even compare, OP. My maternal family is very Catholic and I really don't think there's anti-Catholicism discrimination in western countries (US and Europe).

In the West, I feel it's Islam that is by far the most heavily discriminated against. It's normalized so you don't even realize it, which is a terrible thing. Hardly anyone talks about it, unless someone's on the news for stabbing or raping Muslims (which has happened in our area).

Anti-Semitism exists too, of course, but at least there are many extremely influential Jewish people and organizations to speak out against it.

Your blanket statement that there’s no discrimination against Catholics in US or Europe is laughably ridiculous. Sure, over time things have gotten better — much better, maybe — but this country has a history of blatant discrimination against Catholics in general and immigrants from largely Catholic countries in particular. Just ask the Irish for starters.

Interestingly I just watched the Ed Sullivan documentary on Netflix. The empathy that he felt for black performers— and his dedication to getting them airtime — was rooted in the experience of his parents as Irish immigrants.

Are you one of those people who thinks that there’s no longer discrimination against blacks in our country since we once elected Obama? Because that’s how you come across.

PP you replied to. I'm European, not American. To me Catholicism is the Established Religious Creed of the Western world. Even though America was founded by people escaping from its clutches, Catholicism is well established in the US, and there was no large-scale bloody massacre of any Catholics here. If you know your history, you will recall that there were plenty of mass murders of Protestants in European countries. Think Wars of Religion, where the streets ran with blood and they piled up corpses on carts to bury them in mass graves.

We have different timelines and perspectives. To me, Catholic people across the ages haven't suffered all that much, and have actually inflicted a lot more suffering on other creeds. Ex: the colonization of Latin America.

So. Maybe step back a bit to get the full picture.

And I say all this as a cultural Catholic.

I have a suggestion. Stick to your lane. As you say, you're European. You're not even American. So don't try and tell me, an American, about the American experience. In return, I would try and educate you about Europe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

You don't understand because it doesn't make sense. Anti-semitics contrive reasons to hate Jews, observant ones and non observant ones. And the crazy thing is they thing the entire world hates Jews inwardly but just hasn't awoken to the natural hate within them yet. It's terrible. We see it in DCUM.

I don't hate Jews. I'm sure of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

You don't understand because it doesn't make sense. Anti-semitics contrive reasons to hate Jews, observant ones and non observant ones. And the crazy thing is they thing the entire world hates Jews inwardly but just hasn't awoken to the natural hate within them yet. It's terrible. We see it in DCUM.

I don't hate Jews. I'm sure of it.

Me neither. But anti semites don't believe us. If someone on DCUM, for example, is speaking about Jews in a way that is not critical, they insist the speaker is Jewish. Watch, they do it all the time, it is so nonsensical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous to even compare, OP. My maternal family is very Catholic and I really don't think there's anti-Catholicism discrimination in western countries (US and Europe).

In the West, I feel it's Islam that is by far the most heavily discriminated against. It's normalized so you don't even realize it, which is a terrible thing. Hardly anyone talks about it, unless someone's on the news for stabbing or raping Muslims (which has happened in our area).

Anti-Semitism exists too, of course, but at least there are many extremely influential Jewish people and organizations to speak out against it.

Your blanket statement that there’s no discrimination against Catholics in US or Europe is laughably ridiculous. Sure, over time things have gotten better — much better, maybe — but this country has a history of blatant discrimination against Catholics in general and immigrants from largely Catholic countries in particular. Just ask the Irish for starters.

Interestingly I just watched the Ed Sullivan documentary on Netflix. The empathy that he felt for black performers— and his dedication to getting them airtime — was rooted in the experience of his parents as Irish immigrants.

Are you one of those people who thinks that there’s no longer discrimination against blacks in our country since we once elected Obama? Because that’s how you come across.

PP you replied to. I'm European, not American. To me Catholicism is the Established Religious Creed of the Western world. Even though America was founded by people escaping from its clutches, Catholicism is well established in the US, and there was no large-scale bloody massacre of any Catholics here. If you know your history, you will recall that there were plenty of mass murders of Protestants in European countries. Think Wars of Religion, where the streets ran with blood and they piled up corpses on carts to bury them in mass graves.

We have different timelines and perspectives. To me, Catholic people across the ages haven't suffered all that much, and have actually inflicted a lot more suffering on other creeds. Ex: the colonization of Latin America.

So. Maybe step back a bit to get the full picture.

And I say all this as a cultural Catholic.

I have a suggestion. Stick to your lane. As you say, you're European. You're not even American. So don't try and tell me, an American, about the American experience. In return, I would try and educate you about Europe.

Also, neither of you can speak for all Americans or all Europeans. You can only speak for yourself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous to even compare, OP. My maternal family is very Catholic and I really don't think there's anti-Catholicism discrimination in western countries (US and Europe).

In the West, I feel it's Islam that is by far the most heavily discriminated against. It's normalized so you don't even realize it, which is a terrible thing. Hardly anyone talks about it, unless someone's on the news for stabbing or raping Muslims (which has happened in our area).

Anti-Semitism exists too, of course, but at least there are many extremely influential Jewish people and organizations to speak out against it.

Your blanket statement that there’s no discrimination against Catholics in US or Europe is laughably ridiculous. Sure, over time things have gotten better — much better, maybe — but this country has a history of blatant discrimination against Catholics in general and immigrants from largely Catholic countries in particular. Just ask the Irish for starters.

Interestingly I just watched the Ed Sullivan documentary on Netflix. The empathy that he felt for black performers— and his dedication to getting them airtime — was rooted in the experience of his parents as Irish immigrants.

Are you one of those people who thinks that there’s no longer discrimination against blacks in our country since we once elected Obama? Because that’s how you come across.

PP you replied to. I'm European, not American. To me Catholicism is the Established Religious Creed of the Western world. Even though America was founded by people escaping from its clutches, Catholicism is well established in the US, and there was no large-scale bloody massacre of any Catholics here. If you know your history, you will recall that there were plenty of mass murders of Protestants in European countries. Think Wars of Religion, where the streets ran with blood and they piled up corpses on carts to bury them in mass graves.

We have different timelines and perspectives. To me, Catholic people across the ages haven't suffered all that much, and have actually inflicted a lot more suffering on other creeds. Ex: the colonization of Latin America.

So. Maybe step back a bit to get the full picture.

And I say all this as a cultural Catholic.

I have a suggestion. Stick to your lane. As you say, you're European. You're not even American. So don't try and tell me, an American, about the American experience. In return, I would try and educate you about Europe.

Also, neither of you can speak for all Americans or all Europeans. You can only speak for yourself

Of course not. But the unbridled arrogance of a European posting on an American website talking about discrimination against Catholics in America to say it isn't happening because Catholics had the upper hand in Europe centuries ago is absolutely astonishing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quick question. While both are terrible, I sense that the first one is universally condemned while the second one people don’t think it’s so bad because sometimes is confused with right wing policies against abortation. But I do think that any form of discrimination against religious beliefs is wrong. It is very simple but I believe that most people will disagree with me. In some forums I post threads of anticatholicism and they are immediately deleted.

How are Catholics discriminated against?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Antisemitism is not just about religious belief.

Bingo. Jews are despised for being Jewish, not because they are religious.

No. We despise Zionism.

No, antisemitism is a thing all on its own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Antisemitism is not just about religious belief.

Bingo. Jews are despised for being Jewish, not because they are religious.

I don't understand this. Jews are white, black, Arab, and I even know an Asian Jew. Jews are in every ethnic and racial demographic. Are they hated for their ethnicity (that they also share with a multitude of other religious groups)?

Jews are hated because they exist. Can you understand that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget about atheism! One word about not believing in some supernatural being and not practicing some religion that believes in and worships a supernatural being and you're considered a pariah - simply for not believing that there's a God somewhere, looking out for us. And that we're all going to have some kind of an "afterlife" when we die.

People will respect people of other religions with all sorts of clashing beliefs, as long as they worship an unseen God. But there is often no respect for atheists, who simply think we're like all the other animals in the world: We live, we die.

Has anyone ever accused you of controlling the weather, banks, or Hollywood? Has anyone asked you if you have horns? Has anyone ever said to you upon finding out you are an atheist, “Wow.I have never met anyone who was atheist before. My father says all atheists are greedy crooks. Damn atheists!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sense from the opinions in this thread is that it’s ok to trash Catholics but it’s not ok to mock Jewish or Muslim beliefs. There is something off on what the society perceives as fair.

Antisemitism is not about mocking Jewish beliefs. Antisemites also despise Jewish non-believers.

Can you explain what this is? If it's not about religion, why do you think anti-Semites hate them? It's also not about ethnicity, because there are Jews of every race and ethnicity. I genuinely don't understand.

Jewish people have been disproportionately successful in many industries, but most notably banking. A lot of the success of multinational, family-run Jewish banks was in funding wars (often both sides) that were hotly contested by two different countries within Christendom. Imagine you are a true believer on either side in the Napoleonic Wars, you believe God is on your side, and that you are fighting for God, King, and Country. You are willing to die.

And then you find out that Jewish bankers are funding both sides of the war, and ambivalently making a fortune, and they don't care about the causes at all.

The reaction to realizing that you've been suckered is to lash out at someone who profited by it. Many such cases.

This is an antisemitic blood libel. Straight up.