Why do you think Northwestern is not in the “ivy plus“ bracket?

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What!! Hahaha! There is no such bracket. This is so dumb!

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Anonymous wrote:Only dumb, non Ivy ppl say that it is just an athletic conference. It’s certainly more than that in terms of social significance.

Anonymous wrote:Stop thinking that Ivy League means anything. It is just an athletic conference.

Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Northwestern, Hopkins, and so on easily rival the ivies.

You are wrong. Harvard alumni here. Nobody at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, or other top schools would use "ivy league" to describe their education. Just say the name of the college and let the name of the institution speak for itself.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who went to a top ten school, I'm going to tell you: no one cares. My best intern right now is from the University of South Carolina.

The East Coast USC (U South Carolina), has a solid Honors College and is ranked #1 for undergraduate International Business. Nevertheless, we do not know the duties & responsibilities of your interns, so it might mean best at fetching coffee, most pleasant personality, etc.

Ok, set their interns aside. Among my reports at a FAANG are graduates of Stanford, MIT, CIT, Waterloo, UCB, NCSU, SJSU, RIT, and MS&T. They are all excellent but the MS&T kid is the best of them all and it isn't even close.

What is MS&T?

Missouri S&T https://www.mst.edu/

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Anonymous wrote:What schools are “ivy-plus”

UMD calls themselves a “public ivy”

This thread is garbage like all the subjective, strivery, clout-chasing prestige fights on this board, but I’m going to stick up for the Terps here. They didn’t decide to call themselves a public Ivy. The school was included on a list of the strongest flagships in the country. That moniker is no more or less valid than Ivy+. You certainly seem like someone who cares about NW’s perceived lack of prestige wrt the Ivies so why don’t you concentrate on that.

Yeah..the UMD thing came out of nowhere.

The regional AO from UMD did a webinar for our MCPS school. She started her presentation by saying, “University of Maryland is considered a public ivy.”
I kid you not.

FWIW, I turned down MIT for NU. Very happy with the outcome! Go Wildcats!

FWIW My kid turned downed NU this cycle for a top public. He liked both but one was considerably cheaper. Well, that and the better weather

I went to NU as a financial aid student and it was a great experience but today it's twice the cost of UVA or Virginia Tech in state. I'd advise a kid making that choice to save the over 100k.

DP. Whether in-state UVA or NU is more affordable would depend on the student's calculated need.

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Hey, I posted this. I attended Harvard too. My point was that I don’t think many graduates of Ivy League schools state that the Ivy League is just an athletic conference. My point was not that graduates of Ivy League schools refer to themselves as “Ivy League graduates”. Even though I’ve seen plenty of student and alums of another non HYP Ivy League that I graduated from do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Only dumb, non Ivy ppl say that it is just an athletic conference. It’s certainly more than that in terms of social significance.

Anonymous wrote:Stop thinking that Ivy League means anything. It is just an athletic conference.

Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Northwestern, Hopkins, and so on easily rival the ivies.

You are wrong. Harvard alumni here. Nobody at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, or other top schools would use "ivy league" to describe their education. Just say the name of the college and let the name of the institution speak for itself.

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Northwestern is up there with all the top schools. You will not be limited by anything as an alumni of Northwestern.

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alumnus/alumna=singular

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Anonymous wrote:Ivys are coasting on their reputations-the cat is now out of the bag with all of the recent bad press and reputations with employers. Many kids would pick NU over all Ivys except HYP. They deserve their high rankings on USNWR.

This is just not true. My kid isn’t even considering applying to NW. it isn’t as desirable for a backup reach.

Your kid isn't getting into an Ivy and to say that Northwestern isn't a desirable backup just identifies you as intellectually impaired.

I went to a real Ivy. Thanks. DH and I both went to HYP. Northwestern is a great school. It just isn’t as desirable to everyone. My kid is exceptionally strong. I’m not worried about him at all.

That's nice....and I went to a non-selective SUNY but I'm pretty sure that I out earn you by at least 4x, probably more.

It doesn't matter where you go, it matters what you do with what you learn. It cracks me up to see all of you insecure little tools arguing about which one of these schools is better than the other....Newsflash, they're all basically the same and you are all insecure boring little prestige whores.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivys are coasting on their reputations-the cat is now out of the bag with all of the recent bad press and reputations with employers. Many kids would pick NU over all Ivys except HYP. They deserve their high rankings on USNWR.

This is just not true. My kid isn’t even considering applying to NW. it isn’t as desirable for a backup reach.

Your kid isn't getting into an Ivy and to say that Northwestern isn't a desirable backup just identifies you as intellectually impaired.

I went to a real Ivy. Thanks. DH and I both went to HYP. Northwestern is a great school. It just isn’t as desirable to everyone. My kid is exceptionally strong. I’m not worried about him at all.

That's nice....and I went to a non-selective SUNY but I'm pretty sure that I out earn you by at least 4x, probably more.

It doesn't matter where you go, it matters what you do with what you learn. It cracks me up to see all of you insecure little tools arguing about which one of these schools is better than the other....Newsflash, they're all basically the same and you are all insecure boring little prestige whores.

Sounds like you make your alleged fortune in the family waste management business or something of the sort? You're really classy. I know a lot of great people who went to SUNY schools and you are embarrassing them.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivys are coasting on their reputations-the cat is now out of the bag with all of the recent bad press and reputations with employers. Many kids would pick NU over all Ivys except HYP. They deserve their high rankings on USNWR.

This is just not true. My kid isn’t even considering applying to NW. it isn’t as desirable for a backup reach.

Your kid isn't getting into an Ivy and to say that Northwestern isn't a desirable backup just identifies you as intellectually impaired.

I went to a real Ivy. Thanks. DH and I both went to HYP. Northwestern is a great school. It just isn’t as desirable to everyone. My kid is exceptionally strong. I’m not worried about him at all.

That's nice....and I went to a non-selective SUNY but I'm pretty sure that I out earn you by at least 4x, probably more.

It doesn't matter where you go, it matters what you do with what you learn. It cracks me up to see all of you insecure little tools arguing about which one of these schools is better than the other....Newsflash, they're all basically the same and you are all insecure boring little prestige whores.

We have a seven figure income. We do ok.

I am from NY and have many friends who went to SUNY. I’m not insecure. Not sure how my child not being interested in Northwestern makes me insecure.

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Anonymous wrote:alumnus/alumna=singular

There was nobody to correct so this makes you look dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:But this argument is disingenuous. The “Ivy League” is seen as the definitive stamp of academic excellence/pedigree. Clearly “Ivy Plus” is just an attempt to add other institutions to that list. It’s not an unreasonable attempt. Economists such as Raj Chetty coined the term in the course of research on education. The question remains why Northwestern was not seen to have the same pedigree.

Meh, there’s a shift with the rise of STEM education. Nowadays, a lot of people wouldn’t classify Dartmouth or Brown at the same level as Harvard or Princeton.

You actually mean Engineering and CS not classical STEM. Because engineers and CS majors are mostly trained rather than educated your hypothesis is wildly incorrect.

Dumbest statement of the week. Congratulations.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, the Ivies are for cultural capital:prestige. Prestige in this country has historically come from New England. California has the edge on money and innovation hence Stanford, Caltech. But the Midwest has none of these things. Northwestern might provide a better education and job prospects and be higher in US News rankings but that’s not how people calculate these things for themselves. They care about bragging rights in their communities.

Wrong. This isn’t how the world works, and I have multiple degrees from top ivies.

Doubtful, very doubtful. The first part of you comment has zero context and makes no sense either.

I actually do, which is why I don't get involved with squabbles on here.

Intelligent people do not care about bragging rights in their communities. They pursue real things like working with top faculty on specific topics, pipelines for employment after graduation, internships, and real goals in their undergraduate education.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:What schools are “ivy-plus”

UMD calls themselves a “public ivy”

Not sure if this is meant as a swipe, but as far as academic quality/rigor/renown, that term's very much apt.

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Anonymous wrote:But this argument is disingenuous. The “Ivy League” is seen as the definitive stamp of academic excellence/pedigree. Clearly “Ivy Plus” is just an attempt to add other institutions to that list. It’s not an unreasonable attempt. Economists such as Raj Chetty coined the term in the course of research on education. The question remains why Northwestern was not seen to have the same pedigree.

Meh, there’s a shift with the rise of STEM education. Nowadays, a lot of people wouldn’t classify Dartmouth or Brown at the same level as Harvard or Princeton.

You actually mean Engineering and CS not classical STEM. Because engineers and CS majors are mostly trained rather than educated your hypothesis is wildly incorrect.

Dumbest statement of the week. Congratulations.

Actually many people agree. Engineering is a vocational degree. CS looks the same as well.
That is training. Not a classical education.