how do you signal full pay to need blind schools

[Anonymous]

This is an interesting question. My kids go to an affluent public school. I think college has gotten so expensive that people have limited their kids to state schools unless they have a child that will get a huge financial aid package or have the ability to stroke a check.

[Anonymous]

It's magagat related, Drumpf froze 100mill at Duke for his latest shakedown.

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Anonymous wrote:At need blind colleges, do you really get a bump for being full pay?

No, lol.

LOL you absolutely do! Schools use proxy measures such as private school, zip code, address, parents occupation. You can signal it in an essay or otherwise because they are using data to do something they don’t want applicants to know they are doing. There are also donor wealth indexes that schools purchase to understand propensity to give.

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Anonymous wrote:The world has changed. They want full pay now. They need full pay now.

Look at the layoffs for Pete’s sake. Family member in T10 academia - it’s rough out there. They are being asked to cut cut cut.

This

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Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

Except that OP seems to think all those things do NOT signal full pay in their case. It sounds like they are full pay only because of an (I assume fairly recent) inheritance.

Which happens often. Landscape doesn’t capture careful scrimping and saving to boost 529s or inheritances or grandparent help. So colleges can’t possibly rely on it to tell the complete story. I would select you don’t need FA.

I don’t think you’ll get much of a bump, but doesn’t hurt!

well, bigger issues is that if you dont look like your neighbor - you're done. it's really a pretty backward way to look at this imo. colleges literally ask you every dang thing about your income and assets. and then they act cute and say they dont look at it. and then they pay a lot more money to another consultant for a product that predicts - not that well - how much money you have. it's there, colleges. just look at it if you're using this information.

this annoys me as well. I really hate need blind for international. I hate that it makes me sound MAGA, but I dont love taking so many full need intl kids over fun need American kids. if you're using international to help out your budget, but this is the opposite

full need intls aren't paid with government funds, but the university's private endowment.

Do you also get mad the charity:water is paying 0 tax on their money yet isn't focusing their efforts on, say, Flint, but instead on countries outside the US? At least US private schools still give domestic students a boost over intls even when they have no real need to. Meanwhile plenty of other US based nonprofits get tax benefits while being entirely focused on non-US beneficiaries.

You are trying to rationalize it. But PP is right. It’s wrong in principle.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

Except that OP seems to think all those things do NOT signal full pay in their case. It sounds like they are full pay only because of an (I assume fairly recent) inheritance.

Which happens often. Landscape doesn’t capture careful scrimping and saving to boost 529s or inheritances or grandparent help. So colleges can’t possibly rely on it to tell the complete story. I would select you don’t need FA.

I don’t think you’ll get much of a bump, but doesn’t hurt!

well, bigger issues is that if you dont look like your neighbor - you're done. it's really a pretty backward way to look at this imo. colleges literally ask you every dang thing about your income and assets. and then they act cute and say they dont look at it. and then they pay a lot more money to another consultant for a product that predicts - not that well - how much money you have. it's there, colleges. just look at it if you're using this information.

this annoys me as well. I really hate need blind for international. I hate that it makes me sound MAGA, but I dont love taking so many full need intl kids over fun need American kids. if you're using international to help out your budget, but this is the opposite

full need intls aren't paid with government funds, but the university's private endowment.

Do you also get mad the charity:water is paying 0 tax on their money yet isn't focusing their efforts on, say, Flint, but instead on countries outside the US? At least US private schools still give domestic students a boost over intls even when they have no real need to. Meanwhile plenty of other US based nonprofits get tax benefits while being entirely focused on non-US beneficiaries.

Fa comes from endowment too

[Anonymous]

Apply early decision.

[Anonymous]

College is a business, they collect data, they crunch that data, they know who is full pay and who isn’t.

No need to worry but if it makes you feel better just don’t check that financial aid box.

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Anonymous wrote:Apply early decision.

+2 Apply ED, don’t check the financial aid box, don’t provide a SS#.

[Anonymous]

Post that yacht.

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Anonymous wrote:Apply early decision.

+2 Apply ED, don’t check the financial aid box, don’t provide a SS#.

What if you are full pay for first kid? But can’t swing $90k for both kids at the sane time. Many schools give some FA to the 2nd kid.

Do you still follow this advice? They already know you are full pay for the current kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Apply early decision.

+2 Apply ED, don’t check the financial aid box, don’t provide a SS#.

What if you are full pay for first kid? But can’t swing $90k for both kids at the sane time. Many schools give some FA to the 2nd kid.

Do you still follow this advice? They already know you are full pay for the current kid.

Then you aren’t full pay.

[Anonymous]

I filled out the FAFSA. There was a line for net worth. It didn’t have enough spaces for my number. Instructions said to enter a series of 9s if that was the case.

I don’t know if this changed anything at all. He got into all his targets and safeties, with merit aid, and one reach.

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For those full-pay families in states where it’s required to compete a fafsa (MD, NJ, California, IL etc) do you go to the trouble of opting out?

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