how do you signal full pay to need blind schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone says don’t check the box that you’re applying for FA and don’t provide SSN. I personally don’t know if this helps. I suspect not for top schools. Only if they’re pulling off the waiting list. For others, I think it’s useful.

The next few years will be different. Look at what is happening to schools. Some of the schools have never gone so heavily to the waitlist.

[Anonymous]

It’s an art.
Search on here. Lots of old threads.
Do the hard work and don’t expect someone to do it for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

I work with Landscape and it's not great for a lot of people. If you live in an area where you and your neighbors have houses that are worth about the same and jobs that look about the same, yep, great. But it's only census tract data so if you live in Brooklyn where you may have paid 3mm for your place and there's an SRO next door, it's not helpful. I dont know DC area, but I'm guessing this is sometimes true (but mostly not)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the school is really need blind then your status as a full pay family wouldn’t factor into the admissions decision. That’s what need blind means. There is a belief that many so called need blind schools become more need aware as they progress past ED into RD and managing the waitlist. If you believe that, the way you tell a school you are full pay is by declining to fill out the FAFSA or otherwise requesting an evaluation for financial aid.

I don’t know. If you are rich, why not filling out FASTA? Which shows you have over 10 million net worth. It’s a sure way to disqualify you from any aid, but then you signals to need blind schools that you are full pay because your net worth can comfortably afford triple pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP, you really ARE one of those people who think you can buy absolutely anything in life. These are need blind schools. You can't buy your way in unless you donate a building. And in your case, in fact, with your attitude a sense of privilege will no doubt permeate your kid's applications and will actually hurt and not help them. So good luck! I can't wait until reality hits.

Oh, and "anywho" makes you sound like a Valley Girl.

some of you just wake up mad I guess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

Except that OP seems to think all those things do NOT signal full pay in their case. It sounds like they are full pay only because of an (I assume fairly recent) inheritance.

yeah, landscape will have them as middle class. OP is right about this. You have to not check the box and it will only be a bump during WL.

FWIW, our (expensive) private school has hinted that this is not the year to hide your wealth. Even outside the donor class. For regular old full pay kids trying to get into Cornell. it's a bump

[Anonymous]

Signals of full pay - outside of address:

Parents have undergrad and grad degrees from what are considered top private colleges and universities

Parents job titles: consulting firm partner; biglaw partner; doctor and owner of practice; CEO; CFO etc

ECs: polo; squash; fencing; ice skating; sailing; equestrian.

Google for more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

Except that OP seems to think all those things do NOT signal full pay in their case. It sounds like they are full pay only because of an (I assume fairly recent) inheritance.

yeah, landscape will have them as middle class. OP is right about this. You have to not check the box and it will only be a bump during WL.

FWIW, our (expensive) private school has hinted that this is not the year to hide your wealth. Even outside the donor class. For regular old full pay kids trying to get into Cornell. it's a bump

Same at our private.
Show off the privilege is what they said. Don’t hide fancy activities anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At need blind colleges, do you really get a bump for being full pay?

according to most ICs, yes, this year. and almost all need blind schools are need aware by a lot during the WL round. that was true even at Harvard this year. kids off the WL were almost all full pay. and if Harvard cares, they all care.

This is true. All those who came off Harvard WL this year have been full pay although Harvard still claims need blind for WL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

Except that OP seems to think all those things do NOT signal full pay in their case. It sounds like they are full pay only because of an (I assume fairly recent) inheritance.

Which happens often. Landscape doesn’t capture careful scrimping and saving to boost 529s or inheritances or grandparent help. So colleges can’t possibly rely on it to tell the complete story. I would select you don’t need FA.

I don’t think you’ll get much of a bump, but doesn’t hurt!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Signals of full pay - outside of address:

Parents have undergrad and grad degrees from what are considered top private colleges and universities

Parents job titles: consulting firm partner; biglaw partner; doctor and owner of practice; CEO; CFO etc

ECs: polo; squash; fencing; ice skating; sailing; equestrian.

Google for more.

Does common app ask for job titles? I thought just generic fields?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Signals of full pay - outside of address:

Parents have undergrad and grad degrees from what are considered top private colleges and universities

Parents job titles: consulting firm partner; biglaw partner; doctor and owner of practice; CEO; CFO etc

ECs: polo; squash; fencing; ice skating; sailing; equestrian.

Google for more.

Does common app ask for job titles? I thought just generic fields?

It’s not required. But do fill out, if it helps you.

[Anonymous]

Lots of old threads on this. Search.
It’s even more relevant now.

[Anonymous]

ED

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, they have an algorithm. They know you are full pay.

This. It’s based on the tool: landscape. Based on your address, parents education, job titles.

Signaling comes from ECs.

Except that OP seems to think all those things do NOT signal full pay in their case. It sounds like they are full pay only because of an (I assume fairly recent) inheritance.

Which happens often. Landscape doesn’t capture careful scrimping and saving to boost 529s or inheritances or grandparent help. So colleges can’t possibly rely on it to tell the complete story. I would select you don’t need FA.

I don’t think you’ll get much of a bump, but doesn’t hurt!

well, bigger issues is that if you dont look like your neighbor - you're done. it's really a pretty backward way to look at this imo. colleges literally ask you every dang thing about your income and assets. and then they act cute and say they dont look at it. and then they pay a lot more money to another consultant for a product that predicts - not that well - how much money you have. it's there, colleges. just look at it if you're using this information.