What's with the New England Bias? This is DC urban mom, not Boston (BUM)

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Anonymous wrote:What’s with the hostility to the South? There are opportunities here. Certain pockets of Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami aren’t so different or “under-advantaged” from what’s available to kids in the Northeast. Southern mom here.

There are a handful of schools in the south that are world class: Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice, U-texas, WashU, UNC - but after that, it falls off a cliff reputationally, very quickly.

How did St. Louis move from the midwest to the south? If someone asked you to name southern cities, would anyone mention St. Louis?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's make this productive; What is the standard?

For the World: Oxbridge + HYPSM?
For the US: HYPSM + WASP? Also notice the NE lean.
For US Public: the UCal System?

My standard question is: Is it worth the extra $ vs in-state VA school tuition? For a lot of highly ranked schools the answer leans No! But the kid wants what the kid wants.

This person’s (and their ilk) perspective ruins most threads on this board. Striver NoVa mom, we get it. There are only 10 schools worth going to over Virginia Tech. Glad you could work your talking points into a discussion about NE bias.

lol - VA Tech booster; I know you "we're ranked #13 in engineering" you know we have UVA and W&M that are known as little ivies. Surprised you didn't include the other two on your list.

The question was "standard". What does this forum consider as a standard or bar? Just saying what DCUM is thinking.

What I think are worth it that can't be found in VA:

Olin - Project based learning and very few tests. For the kid who isn't a test taker.
Williams - Tutorial method not many choices for someone looking for this in the US. I know this is WASP.
Babson - I like the hands on approach to Entrepreneurship.
Harvey Mudd - the engineering culture. It started our for kids who get a 700+ math and < 600 verbal. Now you have to do 700+ in both.

I want to look at Rose-Hulman but cannot find why it's ranked so high? why is it ranked higher than Mudd but close to GMU.'s acceptance rate

GMU another hidden VA Gem - great professors, close to home, and access to year-round internships.

PP here. Couldn’t give two sh*ts about VTech. Or UVa, W&M, JMU, Mason, CNU or any of the other commonwealth schools. The “standard” poster said only those 10ish schools were better than VA in state. VTech is an in state school, and lots of NoVa striver moms love to complain about their “high stats kids” not getting into UVA or W&M. So if you’re gonna take the position that it’s Ivy+ or VA in state, you better be cool with Tech, or JMU or whatever because UVA is promised to no one.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's make this productive; What is the standard?

For the World: Oxbridge + HYPSM?
For the US: HYPSM + WASP? Also notice the NE lean.
For US Public: the UCal System?

My standard question is: Is it worth the extra $ vs in-state VA school tuition? For a lot of highly ranked schools the answer leans No! But the kid wants what the kid wants.

This person’s (and their ilk) perspective ruins most threads on this board. Striver NoVa mom, we get it. There are only 10 schools worth going to over Virginia Tech. Glad you could work your talking points into a discussion about NE bias.

lol - VA Tech booster; I know you "we're ranked #13 in engineering" you know we have UVA and W&M that are known as little ivies. Surprised you didn't include the other two on your list.

The question was "standard". What does this forum consider as a standard or bar? Just saying what DCUM is thinking.

What I think are worth it that can't be found in VA:

Olin - Project based learning and very few tests. For the kid who isn't a test taker.
Williams - Tutorial method not many choices for someone looking for this in the US. I know this is WASP.
Babson - I like the hands on approach to Entrepreneurship.
Harvey Mudd - the engineering culture. It started our for kids who get a 700+ math and < 600 verbal. Now you have to do 700+ in both.

I want to look at Rose-Hulman but cannot find why it's ranked so high? why is it ranked higher than Mudd but close to GMU.'s acceptance rate

GMU another hidden VA Gem - great professors, close to home, and access to year-round internships.

PP here. Couldn’t give two sh*ts about VTech. Or UVa, W&M, JMU, Mason, CNU or any of the other commonwealth schools. The “standard” poster said only those 10ish schools were better than VA in state. VTech is an in state school, and lots of NoVa striver moms love to complain about their “high stats kids” not getting into UVA or W&M. So if you’re gonna take the position that it’s Ivy+ or VA in state, you better be cool with Tech, or JMU or whatever because UVA is promised to no one.

Did you read before replying? I gave 4 others that are not IVY+ but still worth going to. And I took the position that GMU was a hidden gem. I'm sure for the kid there are schools I missed beyond those 4.

What are you angry at? It looks like you are angry that DCUM looks down on non IVY? I took the position on: cost + what the school offers vs in-state . Does the extra = cost? depends on what you are looking for? U of Hawaii worth the extra cost? you decide and don't care about what DCUM thinks. In a few years the DCUM sentiment will change anyways.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I definitely get where you're coming from. I have the unfortunate privilege of being a Berkeley alum, so every time someone mentions my alma mater on here, it is resoundingly negative; even though, they somehow believe that these large class issues disappear for UVA and other public institutions.

I've also had the humorous experience of being yelled at on this thread that a certain tiny Liberal arts college has better research access than Caltech. If there were better forums for California parents, I'd honestly get on them even though I live in the DMV, because the takes on Californian institutions are so bizarrely wrong here.

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Berkeley is almost twice a big as UVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I definitely get where you're coming from. I have the unfortunate privilege of being a Berkeley alum, so every time someone mentions my alma mater on here, it is resoundingly negative; even though, they somehow believe that these large class issues disappear for UVA and other public institutions.

I've also had the humorous experience of being yelled at on this thread that a certain tiny Liberal arts college has better research access than Caltech. If there were better forums for California parents, I'd honestly get on them even though I live in the DMV, because the takes on Californian institutions are so bizarrely wrong here.

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Berkeley is almost twice a big as UVA.

Agreed. Poster has reading comprehension issues.
1) No publics rival the top private unis and SLACs for undergrad unless paying in-state tuition.
2) As far as publics go, for undergrad, yes, UVA is better than Berkeley. But it is a silly comparison. Obviously, if you are in-state, go to your in state school. If you are not in-state, see #1 above — go private or SLAC, because it is simply not worth the oos tuition (especially UVA) or the housing/treated like herded cattle hassle (Berkeley).
3) For undergrad, Berkeley is not even the top public California school, as California kids are voting UCLA with their feet.

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There is no bias. Objectively, colleges in the NE are better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s with the hostility to the South? There are opportunities here. Certain pockets of Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami aren’t so different or “under-advantaged” from what’s available to kids in the Northeast. Southern mom here.

There are a handful of schools in the south that are world class: Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice, U-texas, WashU, UNC - but after that, it falls off a cliff reputationally, very quickly.

Maybe PP is just lumping backwards shthole states together.
How did St. Louis move from the midwest to the south? If someone asked you to name southern cities, would anyone mention St. Louis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s with the hostility to the South? There are opportunities here. Certain pockets of Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami aren’t so different or “under-advantaged” from what’s available to kids in the Northeast. Southern mom here.

There are a handful of schools in the south that are world class: Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice, U-texas, WashU, UNC - but after that, it falls off a cliff reputationally, very quickly.

Maybe PP is just lumping backwards shthole states together.
How did St. Louis move from the midwest to the south? If someone asked you to name southern cities, would anyone mention St. Louis?

Also, Virginians, you live in the south. You don’t live in the northeast. People from the northeast, when they hear from you otherwise, are laughing at you.

So really the question is, “Why do southerners like me look to New England for college?”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's make this productive; What is the standard?

For the World: Oxbridge + HYPSM?
For the US: HYPSM + WASP? Also notice the NE lean.
For US Public: the UCal System?

My standard question is: Is it worth the extra $ vs in-state VA school tuition? For a lot of highly ranked schools the answer leans No! But the kid wants what the kid wants.

This person’s (and their ilk) perspective ruins most threads on this board. Striver NoVa mom, we get it. There are only 10 schools worth going to over Virginia Tech. Glad you could work your talking points into a discussion about NE bias.

lol - VA Tech booster; I know you "we're ranked #13 in engineering" you know we have UVA and W&M that are known as little ivies. Surprised you didn't include the other two on your list.

The question was "standard". What does this forum consider as a standard or bar? Just saying what DCUM is thinking.

What I think are worth it that can't be found in VA:

Olin - Project based learning and very few tests. For the kid who isn't a test taker.
Williams - Tutorial method not many choices for someone looking for this in the US. I know this is WASP.
Babson - I like the hands on approach to Entrepreneurship.
Harvey Mudd - the engineering culture. It started our for kids who get a 700+ math and < 600 verbal. Now you have to do 700+ in both.

I want to look at Rose-Hulman but cannot find why it's ranked so high? why is it ranked higher than Mudd but close to GMU.'s acceptance rate

GMU another hidden VA Gem - great professors, close to home, and access to year-round internships.

PP here. Couldn’t give two sh*ts about VTech. Or UVa, W&M, JMU, Mason, CNU or any of the other commonwealth schools. The “standard” poster said only those 10ish schools were better than VA in state. VTech is an in state school, and lots of NoVa striver moms love to complain about their “high stats kids” not getting into UVA or W&M. So if you’re gonna take the position that it’s Ivy+ or VA in state, you better be cool with Tech, or JMU or whatever because UVA is promised to no one.

Did you read before replying? I gave 4 others that are not IVY+ but still worth going to. And I took the position that GMU was a hidden gem. I'm sure for the kid there are schools I missed beyond those 4.

What are you angry at? It looks like you are angry that DCUM looks down on non IVY? I took the position on: cost + what the school offers vs in-state . Does the extra = cost? depends on what you are looking for? U of Hawaii worth the extra cost? you decide and don't care about what DCUM thinks. In a few years the DCUM sentiment will change anyways.

I read that you called me a booster for VTech in response to my prior post. Maybe you should read yourself and stop trying so hard to be clever.

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Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of moms here want to be cool enough to be Needham or even Wellesley Moms, but instead, they reside on swamplands.

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Boston mom here. Dcum are the wannabes

And yet here you are…on DCUM.

I think there are people, like myself, that wouldn’t mind living in NYC. But it’s laughable to think anyone here covets Boston. Very few people here even think about NE - never mind want to live there. But this provincial thinking is common there; I was the same until I left NE and went to college in the South.

I would never consider living in Boston and I own a summer home in MA and don’t even like DC that much…

But to get back on topic, New England has 1/2 the ivies and more than 1/2 of the top liberal arts schools. It’s just a fact that New England private colleges are some of the best and are discussed on a board full of wealthy people.

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Yeah sure, very few people here even think about the Northeast... I'll believe that when they stop talking about it

Reading comprehension is your friend. DCUM wants to send their kids to elite New England schools. They don’t want to live there.

A couple of posters said DCUM moms wished they were moms from Wellesley (lol) and were “wannabes” who wished they lived in New England. No one in DC aspires to live in Boston, never mind the sleepy suburbs there. It just isn’t a thing - people don’t think about NE unless it’s for college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's make this productive; What is the standard?

For the World: Oxbridge + HYPSM?
For the US: HYPSM + WASP? Also notice the NE lean.
For US Public: the UCal System?

My standard question is: Is it worth the extra $ vs in-state VA school tuition? For a lot of highly ranked schools the answer leans No! But the kid wants what the kid wants.

For the US, just HYPSM. WASP truly is secondary to 99% of American industry. Most of the benefits of LACs are for the LAC themselves and their alumni, meanwhile, HYPSM change the world.

This is just such an insipid, nonsensically stupid comment that it could only come from a TJ striver in the DVM.

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Anonymous wrote:The region of the country that has historically had the most focus on education is definitely the Northeast, so that's traditionally where the best schools have been due to longevity and wealth.

The overall strength of the UC system should make one question your comment.

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People from the North have moved to the South to escape the policies they once supported. Now, they are making southern places like Virginia more liberal, negatively affecting those areas before continuing farther south. They behave like locusts, leaving destruction in their wake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I definitely get where you're coming from. I have the unfortunate privilege of being a Berkeley alum, so every time someone mentions my alma mater on here, it is resoundingly negative; even though, they somehow believe that these large class issues disappear for UVA and other public institutions.

I've also had the humorous experience of being yelled at on this thread that a certain tiny Liberal arts college has better research access than Caltech. If there were better forums for California parents, I'd honestly get on them even though I live in the DMV, because the takes on Californian institutions are so bizarrely wrong here.

I've yet to hear anyone say that a SLAC has better research access than CalTech, which is actually LAC size. But if the comment is about better research access than UCB the answer is most definitely. The typical student at a top LAC will have better research opportunities than the typical UCB undergraduate. AS far as class sizes I would suspect that UVA has the same issues as UCB though not to the same degree.

I've never seen someone so confident about such a wrong opinion. The average LAC student has like 3 labs they can choose between.

Maybe so, but that is three labs that they are welcomed into and actually expected to participate. As opposed to a multiple of labs where undergraduates get to "look into from the outside" or if they are let in the door they are considered a burden because they are in teh way of teh grad students and people who are actually doing the work. We've been there, we've told you but you are just too dense to 'get it'. It will be your kids loss.

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Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) are not as well regarded