Prepping for aptitude/iq tests

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Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

I think it's interesting that these white people (and it's almost entirely white people that think this way) think that the typical gifted person doesn't have to work hard to achieve their potential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

I think it's interesting that these white people (and it's almost entirely white people that think this way) think that the typical gifted person doesn't have to work hard to achieve their potential.

I’ve learned 1 thing from this thread: a startling number of people interpret posts to mean whatever their bias wants them to believe it says, even if the words don’t say it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

I think it's interesting that these white people (and it's almost entirely white people that think this way) think that the typical gifted person doesn't have to work hard to achieve their potential.

Huh. What does “white” have to do with anything?

And who said anything about the gifted person not working hard? The post said that studying a lot doesn’t make someone brilliant, not that brilliant people don’t study. The truth is that two people can study the same amount of time, but the brilliant person is going to have a better understanding more quickly.

I’d rather have that brilliant brain surgeon because that surgeon will be able to figure out what to do if there is an unexpected situation. The one who needed to study all the time just to pass tests will be at a loss if things don’t go by the book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

How did you come to that conclusion?

You read all the time on here that kids who study a lot belong in programs like that at TJ. The poster above apparently believes that a doctor who needed to study excessively to become a brain surgeon is just as good-possibly even better!- than a brain surgeon who is brilliant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a word of caution, if you're preparing a child for the WISC, and they mention to the evaluator that they've seen similar questions before, some (possibly all) providers may consider the results invalid.

In my experience, aside from helping the child become familiar with the format of tests like the CogAT or NNAT, scores generally don’t shift dramatically with prep. You might get more value by focusing on general test-taking strategies, things like staying calm and following directions carefully.

I do t understand the connection between “providers will invalidate the score if they find that you’re familiar with the type of questions” and “you can’t really increase your score by prepping”.

Back in the day--before so many helicopter parents, IQ tests were based on a child never seeing the questions/tasks ahead of time.
This applied to all IQ tests. Even the standardized ones given in classrooms. i was a teacher. Those tests were kept under lock and key.
Now, kids frequently have practiced for them.

If you've practiced for a test, it becomes more of an "achievement" test. An IQ test is supposed to be something totally different.

I've heard stories of teachers giving tests and kids saying "Oh, we did this with Mr. K."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

How did you come to that conclusion?

You read all the time on here that kids who study a lot belong in programs like that at TJ. The poster above apparently believes that a doctor who needed to study excessively to become a brain surgeon is just as good-possibly even better!- than a brain surgeon who is brilliant.

I am that poster and I never said that.

I pointed out that the original pp of that brilliant doctor example was not making the comparison she thought she was making.

If that poster and also you can’t even understand what you are writing, that shows your limitations and nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

I think it's interesting that these white people (and it's almost entirely white people that think this way) think that the typical gifted person doesn't have to work hard to achieve their potential.

Huh. What does “white” have to do with anything?

And who said anything about the gifted person not working hard? The post said that studying a lot doesn’t make someone brilliant, not that brilliant people don’t study. The truth is that two people can study the same amount of time, but the brilliant person is going to have a better understanding more quickly.

I’d rather have that brilliant brain surgeon because that surgeon will be able to figure out what to do if there is an unexpected situation. The one who needed to study all the time just to pass tests will be at a loss if things don’t go by the book.

Because it's mostly white people (American white people) that treat effort like it's cheating.
Generations of privilege have led them to believe that their low effort success is due to innate talent, when it's due to their white privilege.
They use terms like "tryhards" and "strivers" to demean effort because they think that success achieved through effort is somehow less authentic or deserved, when it's actually the opposite.

You are demeaning effort by comparing a "brilliant" person that didn't struggle to become a brain surgeon to a "tryhard" that had to try hard to become a brain surgeon.
Every brain surgeon had to be brilliant AND try hard. Nobody coasts through medical school and a surgery residency. It is physically, mentally and emotionally grueling, almost cruel.

In a competitive environment, EVERYBODY tries hard. It is the price of admission. The notion that there is some brain surgeon out there that didn't have to bust their ass to get through med school and residency is a joke.
And when everyone tries hard the rest is determined by things like brilliance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a word of caution, if you're preparing a child for the WISC, and they mention to the evaluator that they've seen similar questions before, some (possibly all) providers may consider the results invalid.

In my experience, aside from helping the child become familiar with the format of tests like the CogAT or NNAT, scores generally don’t shift dramatically with prep. You might get more value by focusing on general test-taking strategies, things like staying calm and following directions carefully.

I do t understand the connection between “providers will invalidate the score if they find that you’re familiar with the type of questions” and “you can’t really increase your score by prepping”.

Back in the day--before so many helicopter parents, IQ tests were based on a child never seeing the questions/tasks ahead of time.
This applied to all IQ tests. Even the standardized ones given in classrooms. i was a teacher. Those tests were kept under lock and key.
Now, kids frequently have practiced for them.

If you've practiced for a test, it becomes more of an "achievement" test. An IQ test is supposed to be something totally different.

I've heard stories of teachers giving tests and kids saying "Oh, we did this with Mr. K."

Yes, but it is still largely an IQ test.
Familiarity with format and question type provides more accurate readings not less accurate ones.
Understanding the testing format and the testing instruction is not supposed to be part of the test.

You aren't supposed to have an advantage because you are used to multiple choice exams or scan tron sheets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here we go again.

Do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT person who attended cram after-school programs and studied day and night?

Or do you want your brain surgeon to be THAT brilliant individual who grasped concepts easily and did not need to cram and study and struggle to grasp what they needed to learn?

I know who I would want. I have no respect for these types of questions.

You can go ahead and take the brain surgeon who didn’t study.

Either you know very well that that is not what the above post is saying… or you have trouble understanding what you read.

It’s saying what it’s saying: it’s comparing a person who studies with a person who is smart and didn’t need to study.

No, he’s comparing a person who has to study to an extreme extent just for a bare minimum of understanding to a person who can study and grasp concepts easily so that they have time to do other things in addition to studying. The second person, who understands easily, has a better grasp of the information than the first person who needs to study for hours and hours, and even then, has a baseline level of understanding- enough to pass a test, but not as deeply and fully as the person who is more intelligent to begin with.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

Maybe that’s what that poster is hoping to convey, and relying on other people’s assumptions, but definitely is missing the mark on that one.

Maybe that’s pp should have studied harder and prepped more in order to learn how to correctly express him/herself.

I easily understood what was being conveyed in the first post above here. I thought it was written well and clearly.

You can choose the doctor you want for your brain surgery. If you want the doctor who has to study for hours to pass tests rather than the brilliant physician who can study and learn material quickly and easily and so has a deep well of knowledge of how the brain and how it works, have at it. Go for the less intelligent doctor who had to study all the time to get through school. It’ll be fine…

You sound too invested to make this brilliant point. You must be the initial poster.

No, I’m not actually. I do think it’s interesting that there are people who think that studying a lot can make an average person the same as a gifted person.

I think it's interesting that these white people (and it's almost entirely white people that think this way) think that the typical gifted person doesn't have to work hard to achieve their potential.

Huh. What does “white” have to do with anything?

And who said anything about the gifted person not working hard? The post said that studying a lot doesn’t make someone brilliant, not that brilliant people don’t study. The truth is that two people can study the same amount of time, but the brilliant person is going to have a better understanding more quickly.

I’d rather have that brilliant brain surgeon because that surgeon will be able to figure out what to do if there is an unexpected situation. The one who needed to study all the time just to pass tests will be at a loss if things don’t go by the book.

Because it's mostly white people (American white people) that treat effort like it's cheating.
Generations of privilege have led them to believe that their low effort success is due to innate talent, when it's due to their white privilege.
They use terms like "tryhards" and "strivers" to demean effort because they think that success achieved through effort is somehow less authentic or deserved, when it's actually the opposite.

You are demeaning effort by comparing a "brilliant" person that didn't struggle to become a brain surgeon to a "tryhard" that had to try hard to become a brain surgeon.
Every brain surgeon had to be brilliant AND try hard. Nobody coasts through medical school and a surgery residency. It is physically, mentally and emotionally grueling, almost cruel.

In a competitive environment, EVERYBODY tries hard. It is the price of admission. The notion that there is some brain surgeon out there that didn't have to bust their ass to get through med school and residency is a joke.
And when everyone tries hard the rest is determined by things like brilliance.

No one is saying that the brilliant surgeon didn’t work hard and study. What is being said is that the brilliant surgeon didn’t *need* to spend all their time studying to learn. They learn and grasp new concepts much more quickly and easily than the average person. Plus, because that doctor is brilliant, they will have the capacity to understand and deal with problems in creative ways that a less brilliant doctor who needed to spend all waking hours studying just to pass tests would be able to do. The one who needed to study all the time is going to have a tougher time in the middle of a surgery when things don’t go by the book.

Sometimes in these discussions, a poster will set up a hypothetical of one student of average intelligence who studies all the time and one brilliant student who never studies. And sure, in that situation, yep, the average kid who studies all the time is going to do better than the brilliant kid who doesn’t study. But that’s not real life. In real life, the brilliant kid is also studying, just not all. the. time. The brilliant kid is engaged in a variety of other activities which give that kid a perspective that the kid who only studies will never have. That brilliant kid is always going to do better than the kids who needs to spend every waking minute studying.

No matter how intelligent a person is, they’re always going to do better in life when they balance academics with a variety of other engaging activities. Being able to draw on a diversity of interests and experiences from childhood will serve a person much better in adult life than having spent all their time on only one pursuit.