Beliefs

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Anonymous wrote:Biblical teaching on this topic is quite clear. Of course there is always the desire to attempt to use Christian testaments to justify current popularly held moral beliefs.

The more interesting question to ask is why nonbelievers are so desperate to claim their values are biblically supported.

Biblical teaching on any topic is as clear as mud. The Bible continuously contradicts itself. One would think that divinely inspired text by an omnipotent and omniscient entity would know how to make things less ambiguous for us lowly creations.

The Lord works in mysterious ways

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Anonymous wrote:Would you go to a church that states on its website that black and white people can't marry?

Would you go to a church that refuses communion to someone who is divorced?

OP here. No to all of these things. But I have a cousin who is gay who does go to a church with the marriage statement on its website. Maybe I’m just naive but I cannot imagine that all of the otherwise nice people who attend these churches are anti-gay. I guess my stupid hope is just that there was something I was missing—some logical way this might not be as problematic as it seems.

Christians are capable of understanding that we all are equally deserving of punishment in the eyes of God (though not all equally bad to other people, if that makes sense), we all need Jesus, and we all should be loving to other people regardless. In fact a Christian whose truly deep into their faith should be one of the most humble and loving people you've ever met.

If you belong to a church that has Anti Gay rhetoric then you are not a Christian.

Fixed it for you.

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Anonymous wrote:You are mistaking hate for the truth.

It’s hate and it’s a lie

It is very simple to determine if a church teaches the truth or is an imposter church: are their teachings on morality supported by the Bible?

If a church has unrepentant homosexuals active in that church, it is not a church but a social club pretending to be a church.

Even if the pastor of that church has a PhD in Theology from Harvard but is teaching contrary to the Bible (such as claiming homosexuality is not sin), then that pastor is a reprobate. Dismiss that ungodly person with extreme prejudice. Heed not a word that person says.

Another good indicator of a false church is a church with a woman pastor. That is a church that has strayed from the truth. Don’t go there.

A final mark of a worldly church is what I call the Rock & Roll church. If every church service has the appearance of a Rock concert with hippie-looking musicians, I would tread carefully and be on high alert. It does not mean it is a false church but something could be amiss.

The Bible is your litmus test to determine if a church is of God or of Satan.

No. The word homosexual was not even in the bible until 1946. You've been bamboozled by false prophets.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination

This is the very definition of homosexuality. If you cannot see this, you are deceived and willfully ignorant.

There are many examples in the Bible, such as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Those who are not of God will either ignore scripture or lie claiming the Bible does not say it anywhere, or that it means something else; Christians have been wrong for over 2000 years.

It is interesting why the ungodly go out of their way to approve of this one particular sin, twisting and omitting scripture to convince sinful people their behavior is blessed by God when it is not.

I believe Satan loves abortion and homosexuality because it results in fewer humans on the planet. Satan has only a limited workforce of demons to deploy, so the fewer humans there are, the easier the job.

You’re reading a translation that is created to teach you to be evil towards certain people.

So the reality is, Satan changed the translation to create people like you.

How does that Apple taste?

+1. Lol. Love this

The bigger deception by Satan was to convince Christians that Jesus is God, so that they would worship him instead of the true Lord and in violation of the first commandment.

There is only one line in one gospel that was used to justify the "trinity". How hard would it have been for the devil to pull off this trick?

Whoah, way to derail the thread with a heresy that goes back to before the Apostle's Creed. Good one.

Are you sure it is heresy?

It's not to non-Christians or Unitarians

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would you go to a church that states on its website that black and white people can't marry?

Would you go to a church that refuses communion to someone who is divorced?

OP here. No to all of these things. But I have a cousin who is gay who does go to a church with the marriage statement on its website. Maybe I’m just naive but I cannot imagine that all of the otherwise nice people who attend these churches are anti-gay. I guess my stupid hope is just that there was something I was missing—some logical way this might not be as problematic as it seems.

Christians are capable of understanding that we all are equally deserving of punishment in the eyes of God (though not all equally bad to other people, if that makes sense), we all need Jesus, and we all should be loving to other people regardless. In fact a Christian whose truly deep into their faith should be one of the most humble and loving people you've ever met.

If you belong to a church that has Anti Gay rhetoric then you are not a Christian.

Fixed it for you.

How so? Genuinely curious. Aren't people that follow the Bible Anti-Gay?

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Adultery is in the top ten offenses in the Bible yet 90 percent or more of white Christian males commonly commit it.

Amazing how anti gay isn’t in the top ten

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Anonymous wrote:Adultery is in the top ten offenses in the Bible yet 90 percent or more of white Christian males commonly commit it.

Amazing how anti gay isn’t in the top ten

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why OP is so hung up on this. There are so many churches that are “gay affirming” why not just go there instead.

I’m so hung up on this because I posted a single time about it? In the midst of doing and thinking about a million other things? How illogical. Are you like an infant who isn’t aware that people exist when you can’t see them?

What a Christian response. Truly bearing the image of Jesus.

I don’t spend time posting about questions which have an obvious answer. Only you can decide if “gay-affirming” is a dealbreaker for YOU. Others will have different opinions. Proceed accordingly.

God bless!!!

Bet you don't really mean "God Bless!!!"

OP claims to be a Christian. WWJD.

So when someone points out that you’ve said or done something that didn’t really make good sense, you just say they aren’t really Christian. Got it. In your mind you get decide who is Christian. And you never have to question your own comments or actions, even for a second, or grow as a person.

I’m an atheist, but even I know that only god can judge someone’s Christian beliefs.

However we can all recognize judgmental hypocrites like the OP.

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The seven deadly sins in Catholic teaching are Pride, Greed, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, and Sloth.

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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t anti-gay, do you find it possible to be part of a church that has, in the information about their beliefs on their website, a statement about marriage being between one man and one woman?

Yes, marriage can be between one man and one woman. It can also be between two men or between two women. The statement by the Church does not rule these possibilities out.

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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t anti-gay, do you find it possible to be part of a church that has, in the information about their beliefs on their website, a statement about marriage being between one man and one woman?

Yes, marriage can be between one man and one woman. It can also be between two men or between two women. The statement by the Church does not rule these possibilities out.

Sure it does.

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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t anti-gay, do you find it possible to be part of a church that has, in the information about their beliefs on their website, a statement about marriage being between one man and one woman?

Yes, marriage can be between one man and one woman. It can also be between two men or between two women. The statement by the Church does not rule these possibilities out.

Sure it does.

No it does not . MYOB stay out of other people’s bedrooms

Churches should worry about their pedo pastors and priests

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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t anti-gay, do you find it possible to be part of a church that has, in the information about their beliefs on their website, a statement about marriage being between one man and one woman?

Yes, marriage can be between one man and one woman. It can also be between two men or between two women. The statement by the Church does not rule these possibilities out.

Sure it does.

No it doesn't. See that is where men who use religion to control others comes in.

They changed scripture to hate certain people. It was not taught by Jesus. It was not in the original text.

It was a false prophet who create that "belief" and you follow a false god.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biblical teaching on this topic is quite clear. Of course there is always the desire to attempt to use Christian testaments to justify current popularly held moral beliefs.

The more interesting question to ask is why nonbelievers are so desperate to claim their values are biblically supported.

So I assume that you adhere to all of the laws as stated in Leviticus? right?

Oh come on. You have to understand the whole "Jesus fulfilled the law" thing, right? It's literally there in the Bible. We're not making it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that sacramentally a marriage can only exist between a man and a women, but secularly I understand that there are other unions that are recognized. All good. I'm religious and follow my church rules, but fully get that my gay friends do not believe the same things and they follow their rules. Nowhere does my religion tell me to be hateful to those who believe differently, no I'm not. I have loads of gay friends. They do what works for them and I do what works for me. No judgement by any of us. We're all adults and just live by what works for us.

Thanks for this thoughtful perspective. I’m not sure I totally agree with you but I really appreciate this balanced answer.

+1 that I love what PP has to say. I'm Protestant, so marriage isn't a sacrament for us, but the gist is exactly what MOST Protestants at the churches I've been part of (which all would be willing to make statements like OP mentioned, though usually not up front on their websites - they prefer to keep the website type statements for things that are core to the faith like the Trinity) would agree with.