Institutional Neglect and Discrimination

[Anonymous]

9th graders do not take AP World History at our fcps. Thats for sophomores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:9th graders do not take AP World History at our fcps. Thats for sophomores.

"Our" is doing the heavy lifting in that sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get put into classes based on perceived capabilities, you get put into classes based on what credits you have. Sometimes you don’t have the prerequisite for a class and can’t take it and sometimes your credits don’t transfer from another country. This isn’t personal. A 7th grader for example can never take AP US History, they don’t have the required prerequisite courses. Even if they’re savant level knowledgeable of U.S. history.

But a 9th grader can take APWH, can't they? So why can't OP's kid?

This is an accreditation issue - counselors cannot just put a 9th grader in Calc because their mom says they can do that.

Then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant policy or any kind of evidence for this claim.

[Anonymous]

Why did you move your kid here to this country?

Not to be rude, but one would think not everything would be perfect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:9th graders do not take AP World History at our fcps. Thats for sophomores.

"Our" is doing the heavy lifting in that sentence.

DP. The same applies to "our" FCPS high school.

[Anonymous]

No doubt, if an American family moved to the OP's home country, their kids would have to take certain prescribed courses in a specific order there. Not sure why OP expects special treatment here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get put into classes based on perceived capabilities, you get put into classes based on what credits you have. Sometimes you don’t have the prerequisite for a class and can’t take it and sometimes your credits don’t transfer from another country. This isn’t personal. A 7th grader for example can never take AP US History, they don’t have the required prerequisite courses. Even if they’re savant level knowledgeable of U.S. history.

But a 9th grader can take APWH, can't they? So why can't OP's kid?

This is an accreditation issue - counselors cannot just put a 9th grader in Calc because their mom says they can do that.

Then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant policy or any kind of evidence for this claim.

Go look up Virginia graduation requirements and math pathways. If a 9th grader (or any student) does not have transferable credits in their transcript for algebra, geometry, algebra 2, they CANNOT just jump into calculus. We are not talking “my kid did math tutoring and can do calculus put him in calculus.” That’s not how accreditation for issuing diplomas works. You have to have credits for the prerequisite courses, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this happens to people changing education systems all over. Kids switching from schools with APs to an IB program. Etc etc.

One thing I can say with confidence about living in America is that your kid's destiny is not going to be determined by when they take AP calc. You're living in Virginia. You have a BUNCH of very good, in state colleges to choose from.

If your kid is going to make it and be a success in this country, the schools here are more than good enough to make that happen even if you lose a year of course progression to switching countries.

The other adjustments your child is making to language and culture are almost certainly much more important to their future.

Your attitude sucks.

"Adjustments to the language and culture" so you're assuming he's having difficulties in this aspect? English is taught as a required subject in his previous school and as for this culture you speak of, a culture where incidents such as drug abuse, drinking and vaping within the campus are not reprimanded as strictly? And can't you empathise with him? Imagine being downgraded or belittled in intellect and capability just because you're not the same ethnicity as them. that's the adjustment he's trying to overcome.

American parents who are unhappy with public school education send their kids to private schools.

You probably had your kid in private before he came to the US. Right?

The streets of America aren’t paved with gold and our public schools aren’t the best in the world, not even close, but they are free. So there is that.

If you don’t like free stuff, then find a good private and enroll your kid? Problem solved.

I’m a firm believer in the notion that you get what you pay for.

Plus this entire thread reeks of troll, but I do give it points for originality, asian parent, claiming discrimination because their kid isn’t getting model minority treatment, and no mention of Tj. Is this a literal trial ballon, AP classes are full of Asians, so can’t decry foul there, ah but are they full of recently arrived Asian immigrants??? By jove we’ve got our theory of the case.

No one is this obnoxious in real life. I seriously thought this was going to be a TJ thread, instead I got a weird incoherent post written by some random loony trying to sound intellectually superior, but missing the mark, while banging on about the rigors of and injustice of middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this happens to people changing education systems all over. Kids switching from schools with APs to an IB program. Etc etc.

One thing I can say with confidence about living in America is that your kid's destiny is not going to be determined by when they take AP calc. You're living in Virginia. You have a BUNCH of very good, in state colleges to choose from.

If your kid is going to make it and be a success in this country, the schools here are more than good enough to make that happen even if you lose a year of course progression to switching countries.

The other adjustments your child is making to language and culture are almost certainly much more important to their future.

Your attitude sucks.

"Adjustments to the language and culture" so you're assuming he's having difficulties in this aspect? English is taught as a required subject in his previous school and as for this culture you speak of, a culture where incidents such as drug abuse, drinking and vaping within the campus are not reprimanded as strictly? And can't you empathise with him? Imagine being downgraded or belittled in intellect and capability just because you're not the same ethnicity as them. that's the adjustment he's trying to overcome.

American parents who are unhappy with public school education send their kids to private schools.

You probably had your kid in private before he came to the US. Right?

The streets of America aren’t paved with gold and our public schools aren’t the best in the world, not even close, but they are free. So there is that.

If you don’t like free stuff, then find a good private and enroll your kid? Problem solved.

I’m a firm believer in the notion that you get what you pay for.

Plus this entire thread reeks of troll, but I do give it points for originality, asian parent, claiming discrimination because their kid isn’t getting model minority treatment, and no mention of Tj. Is this a literal trial ballon, AP classes are full of Asians, so can’t decry foul there, ah but are they full of recently arrived Asian immigrants??? By jove we’ve got our theory of the case.

No one is this obnoxious in real life. I seriously thought this was going to be a TJ thread, instead I got a weird incoherent post written by some random loony trying to sound intellectually superior, but missing the mark, while banging on about the rigors of and injustice of middle school.

+1
And don’t forget… idiotic accusations of “Racism!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this happens to people changing education systems all over. Kids switching from schools with APs to an IB program. Etc etc.

One thing I can say with confidence about living in America is that your kid's destiny is not going to be determined by when they take AP calc. You're living in Virginia. You have a BUNCH of very good, in state colleges to choose from.

If your kid is going to make it and be a success in this country, the schools here are more than good enough to make that happen even if you lose a year of course progression to switching countries.

The other adjustments your child is making to language and culture are almost certainly much more important to their future.

Your attitude sucks.

"Adjustments to the language and culture" so you're assuming he's having difficulties in this aspect? English is taught as a required subject in his previous school and as for this culture you speak of, a culture where incidents such as drug abuse, drinking and vaping within the campus are not reprimanded as strictly? And can't you empathise with him? Imagine being downgraded or belittled in intellect and capability just because you're not the same ethnicity as them. that's the adjustment he's trying to overcome.

American parents who are unhappy with public school education send their kids to private schools.

You probably had your kid in private before he came to the US. Right?

The streets of America aren’t paved with gold and our public schools aren’t the best in the world, not even close, but they are free. So there is that.

If you don’t like free stuff, then find a good private and enroll your kid? Problem solved.

I’m a firm believer in the notion that you get what you pay for.

Plus this entire thread reeks of troll, but I do give it points for originality, asian parent, claiming discrimination because their kid isn’t getting model minority treatment, and no mention of Tj. Is this a literal trial ballon, AP classes are full of Asians, so can’t decry foul there, ah but are they full of recently arrived Asian immigrants??? By jove we’ve got our theory of the case.

No one is this obnoxious in real life. I seriously thought this was going to be a TJ thread, instead I got a weird incoherent post written by some random loony trying to sound intellectually superior, but missing the mark, while banging on about the rigors of and injustice of middle school.

+1
And don’t forget… idiotic accusations of “Racism!”

+1

Agree. I am asian FWIW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this happens to people changing education systems all over. Kids switching from schools with APs to an IB program. Etc etc.

One thing I can say with confidence about living in America is that your kid's destiny is not going to be determined by when they take AP calc. You're living in Virginia. You have a BUNCH of very good, in state colleges to choose from.

If your kid is going to make it and be a success in this country, the schools here are more than good enough to make that happen even if you lose a year of course progression to switching countries.

The other adjustments your child is making to language and culture are almost certainly much more important to their future.

Your attitude sucks.

"Adjustments to the language and culture" so you're assuming he's having difficulties in this aspect? English is taught as a required subject in his previous school and as for this culture you speak of, a culture where incidents such as drug abuse, drinking and vaping within the campus are not reprimanded as strictly? And can't you empathise with him? Imagine being downgraded or belittled in intellect and capability just because you're not the same ethnicity as them. that's the adjustment he's trying to overcome.

American parents who are unhappy with public school education send their kids to private schools.

You probably had your kid in private before he came to the US. Right?

The streets of America aren’t paved with gold and our public schools aren’t the best in the world, not even close, but they are free. So there is that.

If you don’t like free stuff, then find a good private and enroll your kid? Problem solved.

I’m a firm believer in the notion that you get what you pay for.

Plus this entire thread reeks of troll, but I do give it points for originality, asian parent, claiming discrimination because their kid isn’t getting model minority treatment, and no mention of Tj. Is this a literal trial ballon, AP classes are full of Asians, so can’t decry foul there, ah but are they full of recently arrived Asian immigrants??? By jove we’ve got our theory of the case.

No one is this obnoxious in real life. I seriously thought this was going to be a TJ thread, instead I got a weird incoherent post written by some random loony trying to sound intellectually superior, but missing the mark, while banging on about the rigors of and injustice of middle school.

+1
And don’t forget… idiotic accusations of “Racism!”

+1

Agree. I am asian FWIW.

To add, I would say you need to be thankful for how welcoming USA is to immigrants.

-Immigrant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get put into classes based on perceived capabilities, you get put into classes based on what credits you have. Sometimes you don’t have the prerequisite for a class and can’t take it and sometimes your credits don’t transfer from another country. This isn’t personal. A 7th grader for example can never take AP US History, they don’t have the required prerequisite courses. Even if they’re savant level knowledgeable of U.S. history.

But a 9th grader can take APWH, can't they? So why can't OP's kid?

This is an accreditation issue - counselors cannot just put a 9th grader in Calc because their mom says they can do that.

Then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant policy or any kind of evidence for this claim.

Go look up Virginia graduation requirements and math pathways. If a 9th grader (or any student) does not have transferable credits in their transcript for algebra, geometry, algebra 2, they CANNOT just jump into calculus. We are not talking “my kid did math tutoring and can do calculus put him in calculus.” That’s not how accreditation for issuing diplomas works. You have to have credits for the prerequisite courses, period.

The school has the authority to retroactively award transfer credit in those courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get put into classes based on perceived capabilities, you get put into classes based on what credits you have. Sometimes you don’t have the prerequisite for a class and can’t take it and sometimes your credits don’t transfer from another country. This isn’t personal. A 7th grader for example can never take AP US History, they don’t have the required prerequisite courses. Even if they’re savant level knowledgeable of U.S. history.

But a 9th grader can take APWH, can't they? So why can't OP's kid?

This is an accreditation issue - counselors cannot just put a 9th grader in Calc because their mom says they can do that.

Then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant policy or any kind of evidence for this claim.

Go look up Virginia graduation requirements and math pathways. If a 9th grader (or any student) does not have transferable credits in their transcript for algebra, geometry, algebra 2, they CANNOT just jump into calculus. We are not talking “my kid did math tutoring and can do calculus put him in calculus.” That’s not how accreditation for issuing diplomas works. You have to have credits for the prerequisite courses, period.

The school has the authority to retroactively award transfer credit in those courses.

As evidenced by the fact that the school gave credit for algebra 1 and geometry.

[Anonymous]

It's not uncommon for European and Asian immigrants to find our math courses are shall we say a bit behind

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get put into classes based on perceived capabilities, you get put into classes based on what credits you have. Sometimes you don’t have the prerequisite for a class and can’t take it and sometimes your credits don’t transfer from another country. This isn’t personal. A 7th grader for example can never take AP US History, they don’t have the required prerequisite courses. Even if they’re savant level knowledgeable of U.S. history.

But a 9th grader can take APWH, can't they? So why can't OP's kid?

This is an accreditation issue - counselors cannot just put a 9th grader in Calc because their mom says they can do that.

Then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant policy or any kind of evidence for this claim.

Go look up Virginia graduation requirements and math pathways. If a 9th grader (or any student) does not have transferable credits in their transcript for algebra, geometry, algebra 2, they CANNOT just jump into calculus. We are not talking “my kid did math tutoring and can do calculus put him in calculus.” That’s not how accreditation for issuing diplomas works. You have to have credits for the prerequisite courses, period.

The school has the authority to retroactively award transfer credit in those courses.

As evidenced by the fact that the school gave credit for algebra 1 and geometry.

Then those are the courses his transcript showed he could receive credit for, not anything higher, and you can not go from geometry to calculus.