UPenn Bends to Trump Admin; Revokes Lia Thomas Medals

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure this is the right forum, but would be interested in thoughts on news out today that Penn is stripping Thomas of all collegiate wins on the women’s swim team. Obviously this is a big win for Trumps work to pull universities in line with his agenda.

In this case his agenda aligns with the opinion of the vast majority of Americans. Letting men compete in women’s sports is just insane.

Agree. This is probably the one and only issue I agree with Trump on. So stupid for Democrats to take a strong stance on the other side on this.

This and food dyes (well that is RFK JR but it’s a Trump policy)

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MAGA--Penn should have never let Transgender compete.

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Keith Olbermann continues to demonstrate what a gigantic creepy prick he is.

His obsession with Riley Gaines is downright scary.

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I think stripping the titles goes too far because she was permitted to be there by the rules. But, women come first in women’s sports so I think allowing her was a mistake. I’m all for trans women living their lives. However, in the weighing of priorities, women’s rights in women’s sports should be on top.

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Anonymous wrote:Keith Olbermann continues to demonstrate what a gigantic creepy prick he is.

His obsession with Riley Gaines is downright scary.

Riley Gaines has fashioned a career and made herself a national media figure based on this issue alone. She’s a big girl, she should be able to take the criticism that comes with the big stage.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure this is the right forum, but would be interested in thoughts on news out today that Penn is stripping Thomas of all collegiate wins on the women’s swim team. Obviously this is a big win for Trumps work to pull universities in line with his agenda.

I read about this years ago in the New Yorker, and the thing is, Lia Thomas followed all the NCAA rules at the time. She didn't violate ONE rule. Should the NCAA have had those rules? Maybe not. I believed they changed them after she competed. Or should Penn have stepped in? Probably, but Penn was likely worried about litigation if they (the university) went against what the NCAA allowed.

I don't think Thomas should have competed against biological women, but I don't really like the ruling now, primarily because that insufferable, face-too-big-for-her-features, Riley Gaines will keep making a career of being "wronged" by Lia Thomas (who she tied for 5th with in the NCAA championships--meaning, had Lia never competed, nothing would have been different, Riley still would be 5th), and also because I don't like the universities capitulating to Trump, especially over things that affected very few people, and where the university was not violating any policies. Should Penn be made to apologize to the thousands of women they refused to admit as full-time undergraduates until 1974, simply because they were women?? They weren't violating policies then either.

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Happy to see a much-needed course correction on a grave injustice to female athletes. Those teammates were silenced and shamed for raising the reasonable issue of fairness in competition. I am disappointed that democrats sided against women on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Keith Olbermann continues to demonstrate what a gigantic creepy prick he is.

His obsession with Riley Gaines is downright scary.

Riley Gaines has fashioned a career and made herself a national media figure based on this issue alone. She’s a big girl, she should be able to take the criticism that comes with the big stage.

Sure, but that doesn’t make Olbermann any less of a weirdo creep. He is obsessed with her in a way that seems very off.

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I am an earlier poster that fully agreed with the decision, but after reading some replies, I have to agree that this was not Lia's fault (though I think she could have/should have chosen to be the better person when she knew she was making others on her team uncomfortable). She should not get stripped of her medals, but the law should be changed going forward. Thank you for those who wrote it so clearly.

I also agree that if Penn had not followed the law, they would have been sued and attacked by the left and therefore had no choice.

Once Lia decided to push the point, everyone else was stuck and as Lia was following the law, nothing should be changed.

But fully agree with this decision going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy to see a much-needed course correction on a grave injustice to female athletes. Those teammates were silenced and shamed for raising the reasonable issue of fairness in competition. I am disappointed that democrats sided against women on this issue.

+1 well said

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure this is the right forum, but would be interested in thoughts on news out today that Penn is stripping Thomas of all collegiate wins on the women’s swim team. Obviously this is a big win for Trumps work to pull universities in line with his agenda.

I read about this years ago in the New Yorker, and the thing is, Lia Thomas followed all the NCAA rules at the time. She didn't violate ONE rule. Should the NCAA have had those rules? Maybe not. I believed they changed them after she competed. Or should Penn have stepped in? Probably, but Penn was likely worried about litigation if they (the university) went against what the NCAA allowed.

I don't think Thomas should have competed against biological women, but I don't really like the ruling now, primarily because that insufferable, face-too-big-for-her-features, Riley Gaines will keep making a career of being "wronged" by Lia Thomas (who she tied for 5th with in the NCAA championships--meaning, had Lia never competed, nothing would have been different, Riley still would be 5th), and also because I don't like the universities capitulating to Trump, especially over things that affected very few people, and where the university was not violating any policies. Should Penn be made to apologize to the thousands of women they refused to admit as full-time undergraduates until 1974, simply because they were women?? They weren't violating policies then either.

You people just cannot keep a lid on your visceral hatred of women, particularly the uppity ones, can you?

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure this is the right forum, but would be interested in thoughts on news out today that Penn is stripping Thomas of all collegiate wins on the women’s swim team. Obviously this is a big win for Trumps work to pull universities in line with his agenda.

I read about this years ago in the New Yorker, and the thing is, Lia Thomas followed all the NCAA rules at the time. She didn't violate ONE rule. Should the NCAA have had those rules? Maybe not. I believed they changed them after she competed. Or should Penn have stepped in? Probably, but Penn was likely worried about litigation if they (the university) went against what the NCAA allowed.

I don't think Thomas should have competed against biological women, but I don't really like the ruling now, primarily because that insufferable, face-too-big-for-her-features, Riley Gaines will keep making a career of being "wronged" by Lia Thomas (who she tied for 5th with in the NCAA championships--meaning, had Lia never competed, nothing would have been different, Riley still would be 5th), and also because I don't like the universities capitulating to Trump, especially over things that affected very few people, and where the university was not violating any policies. Should Penn be made to apologize to the thousands of women they refused to admit as full-time undergraduates until 1974, simply because they were women?? They weren't violating policies then either.

You people just cannot keep a lid on your visceral hatred of women, particularly the uppity ones, can you?

Seriously, it's grotesque. "Believe all women," except when we don't like the woman in question..

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Lia Thomas competed on Penn's MALE swim team for 3 years before switching to the female team!!! Lia was NOT a successful male swimmer. It wasn't until they switched to the fenale team that they won medals and set school records. Letting Lia compete was wrong and unfair. Lia acted in their own self interest and didnt care about their teammates or fair competition. They knew competing on a women's team would be an advantage. Painting Lia as a victim is bs and i am thrilled that records will be corrected and restored to the other deserving swimmers.

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Anonymous wrote:Thomas had no business being allowed to swim on the women's team. I'm all for her swimming on the men's team as a woman.

I did notice Trump is making the university write letters of apologies to the women on the swimming team.

The required letter of apology is a nice touch!

I hope they apologize for forcing the women to change in front of him. Someone should be charged for that.

I feel like the fair competition based reservations in this case are reasonable but how is changing in front of this person any different than changing in front of an always been female lesbian? (Assuming lia is attracted to women and that’s the concern?)

Are you a male or female? This logic is wild. As someone who feels uncomfortable with a male ob/gyn, no question I'd prefer a lesbian over a gay male doctor. Why not just say women and men should change in the same locker room because LGBTQ people exist anyway? Odd.

If a man exposes his D to me in nearly any other public setting, it’s a felony and he goes on the sex offender list. If I am unwillingly exposed to D in the women’s locker room, I’m supposed to shut up?

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I don’t think this is a Trump win. I agree that s/he should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports.

I have two sons and a daughter. My sons are very athletic. If one of them decided to start being a woman and compete as a woman, it would not be fair.