Netanyahu sabotaged captives release talks to prolong war; Biden admin lied about ceasfire to allow it

[Anonymous]

Btw, does anybody have an actual link to this "report" referenced in the OP which is apparently translated from an Israeli news channel?

I haven't seen anything other than X links.

Sounds like a bunch of anonymous quotes reported by someone who isn't willing to put their name on their own report.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Surprise, surprise.

Everyone not propagandized by CNN and the DNC already knew this!

Israel has never been in the position to thumb its nose at American directives to stop or do something. The moment Netanyahu continued his genocide and even ramped up, it was very very clear that Biden was 100% behind him.

All of the noises the Biden administration was making about how it was trying to stop the genocide were entirely for political purposes. The Biden administration played its credulous, propagandized democratic upper middle class white base for fools on this and so many other issues. And the majority of you fell for it because you're as cultish and mindless as MAGA is.

Look how many people here insisted that Muslim Americans were fools to refuse to vote for the Biden administration and its would-be successor entity, the Harris administration.

In November 2024, Muslims had the choice of (1) Democrats who had helped plan and launch a genocide of the Palestinian people and were going to continue participating in the genocide while also adding insult to injury by lying about it with the collusion of the media versus the Trump administration that had not perpetrated a genocide. To say that Muslims were fools to vote against Harris or stay home is so arrogant, callous, and blindly partisan. They had two terrible choices, and the Democrat side was the worst one.

+1. Before he was elected, Trump made a bunch of comments about being anti-war. There was zero chance with a continuation of Biden/Harris policies and a slim chance Trump would be different.

There was zero chance Trump was going to do anything to help the Palestinians. In his eyes, Palestinians are weak and deserve whatever they get. Anyone believing otherwise is delusional.

You're smarter than this post. On the one side were Democrats who were in the middle of helping to carry out a genocide against the Palestinian people. Harris was part of the administration carrying out the genocide and made it clear she was going to be effectively Biden's second term. No one with a functioning brain had any reason to believe she was going to push for a ceasefire, much less stop funding the genocide. On the other side, Trump's track record of hostility to Democrats and history of reversing Democrats' initiatives just because they came from Democrats left a sliver of hope that he would at least de-fund the genocide.

If you're pretending not to understand this, then it's because you don't care. It wasn't your people getting murdered, so why not shrug and continue shilling for the party you prefer, right?

DP.

I thought “your people” were your fellow Americans.

But now you’re justifying selling out America to save Palestinians.

Suggestion: GTFO. Literally.

When you're done fighting with imaginary opponents, try reading my post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw, does anybody have an actual link to this "report" referenced in the OP which is apparently translated from an Israeli news channel?

I haven't seen anything other than X links.

Sounds like a bunch of anonymous quotes reported by someone who isn't willing to put their name on their own report.

It's was aired in Hebrew on TV channel 13.

The report by the regime’s Channel 13 included admissions from nine top US officials, who acknowledged their avoidance of exerting real pressure on Tel Aviv, even as the Palestinian death toll surpassed 30,000 -- now around 52,000 as the war rages on.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/04/29/747053/United-States-pressure-Israel-ceasefire-war-genocide-Biden-Gaza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw, does anybody have an actual link to this "report" referenced in the OP which is apparently translated from an Israeli news channel?

I haven't seen anything other than X links.

Sounds like a bunch of anonymous quotes reported by someone who isn't willing to put their name on their own report.

The Israelis say different things in English vs Hebrew and Arabic. The true Israeli thought and culture is found in what they say in Hebrew and Arabic media. It is much more extremist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Surprise, surprise.

Everyone not propagandized by CNN and the DNC already knew this!

Israel has never been in the position to thumb its nose at American directives to stop or do something. The moment Netanyahu continued his genocide and even ramped up, it was very very clear that Biden was 100% behind him.

All of the noises the Biden administration was making about how it was trying to stop the genocide were entirely for political purposes. The Biden administration played its credulous, propagandized democratic upper middle class white base for fools on this and so many other issues. And the majority of you fell for it because you're as cultish and mindless as MAGA is.

Look how many people here insisted that Muslim Americans were fools to refuse to vote for the Biden administration and its would-be successor entity, the Harris administration.

In November 2024, Muslims had the choice of (1) Democrats who had helped plan and launch a genocide of the Palestinian people and were going to continue participating in the genocide while also adding insult to injury by lying about it with the collusion of the media versus the Trump administration that had not perpetrated a genocide. To say that Muslims were fools to vote against Harris or stay home is so arrogant, callous, and blindly partisan. They had two terrible choices, and the Democrat side was the worst one.

+1. Before he was elected, Trump made a bunch of comments about being anti-war. There was zero chance with a continuation of Biden/Harris policies and a slim chance Trump would be different.

There was zero chance Trump was going to do anything to help the Palestinians. In his eyes, Palestinians are weak and deserve whatever they get. Anyone believing otherwise is delusional.

You're smarter than this post. On the one side were Democrats who were in the middle of helping to carry out a genocide against the Palestinian people. Harris was part of the administration carrying out the genocide and made it clear she was going to be effectively Biden's second term. No one with a functioning brain had any reason to believe she was going to push for a ceasefire, much less stop funding the genocide. On the other side, Trump's track record of hostility to Democrats and history of reversing Democrats' initiatives just because they came from Democrats left a sliver of hope that he would at least de-fund the genocide.

If you're pretending not to understand this, then it's because you don't care. It wasn't your people getting murdered, so why not shrug and continue shilling for the party you prefer, right?

DP.

I thought “your people” were your fellow Americans.

But now you’re justifying selling out America to save Palestinians.

Suggestion: GTFO. Literally.

When you're done fighting with imaginary opponents, try reading my post.

DP. I read your post above. You sound like so many people I know who refused to vote for Harris and convinced themselves Trump would be better for Palestinians. You sound deluded. You spent so much energy hating Democrats. And no, that did not help Palestinians, not even one tiny bit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, does anybody have an actual link to this "report" referenced in the OP which is apparently translated from an Israeli news channel?

I haven't seen anything other than X links.

Sounds like a bunch of anonymous quotes reported by someone who isn't willing to put their name on their own report.

The Israelis say different things in English vs Hebrew and Arabic. The true Israeli thought and culture is found in what they say in Hebrew and Arabic media. It is much more extremist.

Ok. But is the anonymous translation of the anonymous quotes accurate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden was negotiating a ceasefire in good faith. The problem was Netanyahu and his collusion with Trump.

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm glad you got what you wanted by electing Trump. Now all of Gaza gets to starve to death. Congratulations, and please keep attacking Biden.

So you two just ignore the fact that the Biden admin lied about working on a ceasefire and now Israel is (once again) boasting about humiliating the US and cementing Biden's evil legacy.

"Attacking" Biden? F*** that genocidal POS. May he burn in hell for what he and the Democrats did which led to the US *deserving* Trump as its karma. You can take off the white hat and stop telling yourself America is the "good guy." This country is the reason there are thousands of dead children and the ones still alive are part of an "exclusive club": Most amputee children and amputated w/ no anesthesia because that's the evil Biden protected and funded. On day one, he spread their propaganda about 40 beheaded babies. That led to a 6yo being stabbed to death within days. Psychos still think Biden did anything involving this genocide in "good faith." He went around freakin' Congress to get more weapons *faster* to those demons. Do you all just lie to yourselves about all of this? This is why Dems are DONE. All you do is wait around for the GOP to f*** up so badly, that that's how you get your support. It's pathetic.


76 years of this tone deaf bullsh*t from brainwashed Americans who've funded this hell to the point of destroying this country on behalf of that hell.

go trump, in other words. bomb it all away and build your cursed beach resort.

+1 Trump wants to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. How does that help Palestinians?

Also, if you think the Trump and his administration would never lie about anything, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Trump sucks! He is a miserable pos, scum of the earth, and yes, this genocide is now on him as well.

But the subject of this thread is Biden. And how he and his team lied to the American people, ignored their own US laws , and disregarded the lives of Americans like Hersh and Jacob Flickinger, to enable this genocide. That was Biden. And Harris quite literally said she wouldn’t do anything different.

oh yeah there's that other 500 page thread about trump and gaza

oh no wait there isn't. nothing. still just carping on biden - not a word about trump, except when you're called out then it's literally one word about trump, then back to biden biden biden.

pathetic, in a hundred different ways.

Biden is the one who was president during the first 15 months of the war. Biden did not ask them for a ceasefire, contrary to what he was telling the American people. Biden did not listen to his experts at state who said Israel was violating international law. Biden kept the weapons going, contrary to US laws. Biden could have pushed Israel to stop. He didn’t even ask them.

Trump being a horrible human being and horrible president does not give Biden a pass on Gaza.

You got the Trump you wanted. Pathetic.

I didn't want Trump and I didn't vote for Trump.

But you are blaming voters who clearly wanted a different policy (ceasefire and end to the war). Biden/Harris said they were trying to get the ceasefire, but their actions at the time made it pretty clear that that wasn't what they were pushing for. Now it has come out that yes, they were lying. They didn't even ask for a ceasefire. Yet, you are still putting the fault on voters, when it should be on Biden/Harris.

Yes, I blame the voters who cut off their nose to spite their face. Look around, bub. Things seem to be going well? There is a concept called "triage" - I am up early editing a blog on this very topic, so it's fresh in my mind. You work to find the best outcome given available resources. Does this seem like the best outcome? It doesn't to me. But I know - you hate Biden enough that you will starve all the Gazans to death just to show us all.

Could Biden have handled things better? Probably! This is a centuries old conflict that was set on fire by Oct 7, and is maintained by an evil man trying to keep himself relevant and out of jail. (Sound familiar?) I don't claim to have answers about how the US could have done more to protect Palestinians while also recognizing that Israel does have a right to protect itself. (Call me all the names you want to now - I know they're right there on the tip of your tongue. You spit them out so prettily, don't you.) I guess you have all the answers - you always have all the answers. Hopefully Trump is listening when you present them. He's interested in peace, right? He's letting Netanyahu do whatever he wants in Gaza because - reasons reasons reasons. Golden statue, beach resort, ethnic cleansing - all the things you still harp on Biden about even though we're now 101 days into the next guy's presidency.

I agree with some of your points and disagree with a lot of your points. For one, Israel is not doing any of this in order to protect themselves.

I think the pro Palestinians should have voted for Harris in swing states. Because she was the lesser of the two evils. John Oliver had a great segment right before the election and I shared it widely, including on this site I think.

But I feel like you are missing the point. Biden was president. We got Trump because of what Biden, Harris, and the democrats in charge did. Blame them for not listening to voters. Blame them for not ending the war.

The democrats, as the only alternative party, need to change. The Israel/Gaza policy is just one example of them being out of touch with their voters and instead beholden to special interests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden was negotiating a ceasefire in good faith. The problem was Netanyahu and his collusion with Trump.

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm glad you got what you wanted by electing Trump. Now all of Gaza gets to starve to death. Congratulations, and please keep attacking Biden.

So you two just ignore the fact that the Biden admin lied about working on a ceasefire and now Israel is (once again) boasting about humiliating the US and cementing Biden's evil legacy.

"Attacking" Biden? F*** that genocidal POS. May he burn in hell for what he and the Democrats did which led to the US *deserving* Trump as its karma. You can take off the white hat and stop telling yourself America is the "good guy." This country is the reason there are thousands of dead children and the ones still alive are part of an "exclusive club": Most amputee children and amputated w/ no anesthesia because that's the evil Biden protected and funded. On day one, he spread their propaganda about 40 beheaded babies. That led to a 6yo being stabbed to death within days. Psychos still think Biden did anything involving this genocide in "good faith." He went around freakin' Congress to get more weapons *faster* to those demons. Do you all just lie to yourselves about all of this? This is why Dems are DONE. All you do is wait around for the GOP to f*** up so badly, that that's how you get your support. It's pathetic.


76 years of this tone deaf bullsh*t from brainwashed Americans who've funded this hell to the point of destroying this country on behalf of that hell.

go trump, in other words. bomb it all away and build your cursed beach resort.

+1 Trump wants to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. How does that help Palestinians?

Also, if you think the Trump and his administration would never lie about anything, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Trump sucks! He is a miserable pos, scum of the earth, and yes, this genocide is now on him as well.

But the subject of this thread is Biden. And how he and his team lied to the American people, ignored their own US laws , and disregarded the lives of Americans like Hersh and Jacob Flickinger, to enable this genocide. That was Biden. And Harris quite literally said she wouldn’t do anything different.

oh yeah there's that other 500 page thread about trump and gaza

oh no wait there isn't. nothing. still just carping on biden - not a word about trump, except when you're called out then it's literally one word about trump, then back to biden biden biden.

pathetic, in a hundred different ways.

Biden is the one who was president during the first 15 months of the war. Biden did not ask them for a ceasefire, contrary to what he was telling the American people. Biden did not listen to his experts at state who said Israel was violating international law. Biden kept the weapons going, contrary to US laws. Biden could have pushed Israel to stop. He didn’t even ask them.

Trump being a horrible human being and horrible president does not give Biden a pass on Gaza.

You got the Trump you wanted. Pathetic.

I didn't want Trump and I didn't vote for Trump.

But you are blaming voters who clearly wanted a different policy (ceasefire and end to the war). Biden/Harris said they were trying to get the ceasefire, but their actions at the time made it pretty clear that that wasn't what they were pushing for. Now it has come out that yes, they were lying. They didn't even ask for a ceasefire. Yet, you are still putting the fault on voters, when it should be on Biden/Harris.

Yes, I blame the voters who cut off their nose to spite their face. Look around, bub. Things seem to be going well? There is a concept called "triage" - I am up early editing a blog on this very topic, so it's fresh in my mind. You work to find the best outcome given available resources. Does this seem like the best outcome? It doesn't to me. But I know - you hate Biden enough that you will starve all the Gazans to death just to show us all.

Could Biden have handled things better? Probably! This is a centuries old conflict that was set on fire by Oct 7, and is maintained by an evil man trying to keep himself relevant and out of jail. (Sound familiar?) I don't claim to have answers about how the US could have done more to protect Palestinians while also recognizing that Israel does have a right to protect itself. (Call me all the names you want to now - I know they're right there on the tip of your tongue. You spit them out so prettily, don't you.) I guess you have all the answers - you always have all the answers. Hopefully Trump is listening when you present them. He's interested in peace, right? He's letting Netanyahu do whatever he wants in Gaza because - reasons reasons reasons. Golden statue, beach resort, ethnic cleansing - all the things you still harp on Biden about even though we're now 101 days into the next guy's presidency.

I agree with some of your points and disagree with a lot of your points. For one, Israel is not doing any of this in order to protect themselves.

I think the pro Palestinians should have voted for Harris in swing states. Because she was the lesser of the two evils. John Oliver had a great segment right before the election and I shared it widely, including on this site I think.

But I feel like you are missing the point. Biden was president. We got Trump because of what Biden, Harris, and the democrats in charge did. Blame them for not listening to voters. Blame them for not ending the war.

The democrats, as the only alternative party, need to change. The Israel/Gaza policy is just one example of them being out of touch with their voters and instead beholden to special interests.

You need to stop with this point. We all know both parties are beholden to Jewish American donors and their #1 cause is Israel. They are still supporting Israel after two years of war on the Palestinian people.

Harris would have the same policy on Palestine as the current President and her and all that came before her. You don’t become the Senator of California without kissing the ring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden was negotiating a ceasefire in good faith. The problem was Netanyahu and his collusion with Trump.

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm glad you got what you wanted by electing Trump. Now all of Gaza gets to starve to death. Congratulations, and please keep attacking Biden.

So you two just ignore the fact that the Biden admin lied about working on a ceasefire and now Israel is (once again) boasting about humiliating the US and cementing Biden's evil legacy.

"Attacking" Biden? F*** that genocidal POS. May he burn in hell for what he and the Democrats did which led to the US *deserving* Trump as its karma. You can take off the white hat and stop telling yourself America is the "good guy." This country is the reason there are thousands of dead children and the ones still alive are part of an "exclusive club": Most amputee children and amputated w/ no anesthesia because that's the evil Biden protected and funded. On day one, he spread their propaganda about 40 beheaded babies. That led to a 6yo being stabbed to death within days. Psychos still think Biden did anything involving this genocide in "good faith." He went around freakin' Congress to get more weapons *faster* to those demons. Do you all just lie to yourselves about all of this? This is why Dems are DONE. All you do is wait around for the GOP to f*** up so badly, that that's how you get your support. It's pathetic.


76 years of this tone deaf bullsh*t from brainwashed Americans who've funded this hell to the point of destroying this country on behalf of that hell.

go trump, in other words. bomb it all away and build your cursed beach resort.

+1 Trump wants to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. How does that help Palestinians?

Also, if you think the Trump and his administration would never lie about anything, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Trump sucks! He is a miserable pos, scum of the earth, and yes, this genocide is now on him as well.

But the subject of this thread is Biden. And how he and his team lied to the American people, ignored their own US laws , and disregarded the lives of Americans like Hersh and Jacob Flickinger, to enable this genocide. That was Biden. And Harris quite literally said she wouldn’t do anything different.

oh yeah there's that other 500 page thread about trump and gaza

oh no wait there isn't. nothing. still just carping on biden - not a word about trump, except when you're called out then it's literally one word about trump, then back to biden biden biden.

pathetic, in a hundred different ways.

Biden is the one who was president during the first 15 months of the war. Biden did not ask them for a ceasefire, contrary to what he was telling the American people. Biden did not listen to his experts at state who said Israel was violating international law. Biden kept the weapons going, contrary to US laws. Biden could have pushed Israel to stop. He didn’t even ask them.

Trump being a horrible human being and horrible president does not give Biden a pass on Gaza.

You got the Trump you wanted. Pathetic.

I didn't want Trump and I didn't vote for Trump.

But you are blaming voters who clearly wanted a different policy (ceasefire and end to the war). Biden/Harris said they were trying to get the ceasefire, but their actions at the time made it pretty clear that that wasn't what they were pushing for. Now it has come out that yes, they were lying. They didn't even ask for a ceasefire. Yet, you are still putting the fault on voters, when it should be on Biden/Harris.

Yes, I blame the voters who cut off their nose to spite their face. Look around, bub. Things seem to be going well? There is a concept called "triage" - I am up early editing a blog on this very topic, so it's fresh in my mind. You work to find the best outcome given available resources. Does this seem like the best outcome? It doesn't to me. But I know - you hate Biden enough that you will starve all the Gazans to death just to show us all.

Could Biden have handled things better? Probably! This is a centuries old conflict that was set on fire by Oct 7, and is maintained by an evil man trying to keep himself relevant and out of jail. (Sound familiar?) I don't claim to have answers about how the US could have done more to protect Palestinians while also recognizing that Israel does have a right to protect itself. (Call me all the names you want to now - I know they're right there on the tip of your tongue. You spit them out so prettily, don't you.) I guess you have all the answers - you always have all the answers. Hopefully Trump is listening when you present them. He's interested in peace, right? He's letting Netanyahu do whatever he wants in Gaza because - reasons reasons reasons. Golden statue, beach resort, ethnic cleansing - all the things you still harp on Biden about even though we're now 101 days into the next guy's presidency.

I agree with some of your points and disagree with a lot of your points. For one, Israel is not doing any of this in order to protect themselves.

I think the pro Palestinians should have voted for Harris in swing states. Because she was the lesser of the two evils. John Oliver had a great segment right before the election and I shared it widely, including on this site I think.

But I feel like you are missing the point. Biden was president. We got Trump because of what Biden, Harris, and the democrats in charge did. Blame them for not listening to voters. Blame them for not ending the war.

The democrats, as the only alternative party, need to change. The Israel/Gaza policy is just one example of them being out of touch with their voters and instead beholden to special interests.

Dems certainly need some change - but how to you jibe claiming Dems need to stop supporting Israel to win, when Trump won while supporting Israel?

Inflation and people feeling like shaking things up - that's why we got Trump. Because we have a stupid electorate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, does anybody have an actual link to this "report" referenced in the OP which is apparently translated from an Israeli news channel?

I haven't seen anything other than X links.

Sounds like a bunch of anonymous quotes reported by someone who isn't willing to put their name on their own report.

The Israelis say different things in English vs Hebrew and Arabic. The true Israeli thought and culture is found in what they say in Hebrew and Arabic media. It is much more extremist.

It's quite scary as it is less restrained and more genocidal. And if you go on Hebrew telegram channels, you can find groups comprised of several hundred thousands of Israelis cheering and celebrating images of dead children in their chats. Surprised we don't see more of it referenced in the mainstream media.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw, does anybody have an actual link to this "report" referenced in the OP which is apparently translated from an Israeli news channel?

I haven't seen anything other than X links.

Sounds like a bunch of anonymous quotes reported by someone who isn't willing to put their name on their own report.

The Israelis say different things in English vs Hebrew and Arabic. The true Israeli thought and culture is found in what they say in Hebrew and Arabic media. It is much more extremist.

It's quite scary as it is less restrained and more genocidal. And if you go on Hebrew telegram channels, you can find groups comprised of several hundred thousands of Israelis cheering and celebrating images of dead children in their chats. Surprised we don't see more of it referenced in the mainstream media.

Is that what they are doing in the news clips linked in the X links in the OP?

[Anonymous]

Why would Netanyahu want a cease-fire? That would stop him from wiping out of Gaza. Remember, he espoused Amalek rhetoric to invoke genocide against Palestinians

"... utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would Netanyahu want a cease-fire? That would stop him from wiping out of Gaza. Remember, he espoused Amalek rhetoric to invoke genocide against Palestinians

"... utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

Nearly 60% of Israelis disapprove of Netanyahu
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1482429/israel-public-approval-rating-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

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Anonymous wrote:Biden was negotiating a ceasefire in good faith. The problem was Netanyahu and his collusion with Trump.

Anonymous wrote:Well I'm glad you got what you wanted by electing Trump. Now all of Gaza gets to starve to death. Congratulations, and please keep attacking Biden.

So you two just ignore the fact that the Biden admin lied about working on a ceasefire and now Israel is (once again) boasting about humiliating the US and cementing Biden's evil legacy.

"Attacking" Biden? F*** that genocidal POS. May he burn in hell for what he and the Democrats did which led to the US *deserving* Trump as its karma. You can take off the white hat and stop telling yourself America is the "good guy." This country is the reason there are thousands of dead children and the ones still alive are part of an "exclusive club": Most amputee children and amputated w/ no anesthesia because that's the evil Biden protected and funded. On day one, he spread their propaganda about 40 beheaded babies. That led to a 6yo being stabbed to death within days. Psychos still think Biden did anything involving this genocide in "good faith." He went around freakin' Congress to get more weapons *faster* to those demons. Do you all just lie to yourselves about all of this? This is why Dems are DONE. All you do is wait around for the GOP to f*** up so badly, that that's how you get your support. It's pathetic.


76 years of this tone deaf bullsh*t from brainwashed Americans who've funded this hell to the point of destroying this country on behalf of that hell.

go trump, in other words. bomb it all away and build your cursed beach resort.

+1 Trump wants to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. How does that help Palestinians?

Also, if you think the Trump and his administration would never lie about anything, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Trump sucks! He is a miserable pos, scum of the earth, and yes, this genocide is now on him as well.

But the subject of this thread is Biden. And how he and his team lied to the American people, ignored their own US laws , and disregarded the lives of Americans like Hersh and Jacob Flickinger, to enable this genocide. That was Biden. And Harris quite literally said she wouldn’t do anything different.

oh yeah there's that other 500 page thread about trump and gaza

oh no wait there isn't. nothing. still just carping on biden - not a word about trump, except when you're called out then it's literally one word about trump, then back to biden biden biden.

pathetic, in a hundred different ways.

Biden is the one who was president during the first 15 months of the war. Biden did not ask them for a ceasefire, contrary to what he was telling the American people. Biden did not listen to his experts at state who said Israel was violating international law. Biden kept the weapons going, contrary to US laws. Biden could have pushed Israel to stop. He didn’t even ask them.

Trump being a horrible human being and horrible president does not give Biden a pass on Gaza.

You got the Trump you wanted. Pathetic.

I didn't want Trump and I didn't vote for Trump.

But you are blaming voters who clearly wanted a different policy (ceasefire and end to the war). Biden/Harris said they were trying to get the ceasefire, but their actions at the time made it pretty clear that that wasn't what they were pushing for. Now it has come out that yes, they were lying. They didn't even ask for a ceasefire. Yet, you are still putting the fault on voters, when it should be on Biden/Harris.

Yes, I blame the voters who cut off their nose to spite their face. Look around, bub. Things seem to be going well? There is a concept called "triage" - I am up early editing a blog on this very topic, so it's fresh in my mind. You work to find the best outcome given available resources. Does this seem like the best outcome? It doesn't to me. But I know - you hate Biden enough that you will starve all the Gazans to death just to show us all.

Could Biden have handled things better? Probably! This is a centuries old conflict that was set on fire by Oct 7, and is maintained by an evil man trying to keep himself relevant and out of jail. (Sound familiar?) I don't claim to have answers about how the US could have done more to protect Palestinians while also recognizing that Israel does have a right to protect itself. (Call me all the names you want to now - I know they're right there on the tip of your tongue. You spit them out so prettily, don't you.) I guess you have all the answers - you always have all the answers. Hopefully Trump is listening when you present them. He's interested in peace, right? He's letting Netanyahu do whatever he wants in Gaza because - reasons reasons reasons. Golden statue, beach resort, ethnic cleansing - all the things you still harp on Biden about even though we're now 101 days into the next guy's presidency.

I agree with some of your points and disagree with a lot of your points. For one, Israel is not doing any of this in order to protect themselves.

I think the pro Palestinians should have voted for Harris in swing states. Because she was the lesser of the two evils. John Oliver had a great segment right before the election and I shared it widely, including on this site I think.

But I feel like you are missing the point. Biden was president. We got Trump because of what Biden, Harris, and the democrats in charge did. Blame them for not listening to voters. Blame them for not ending the war.

The democrats, as the only alternative party, need to change. The Israel/Gaza policy is just one example of them being out of touch with their voters and instead beholden to special interests.

Do you think the pro-Palestinians are happy with trump? LOL

The lesser of two evils was always Harris given that Trump hates Muslims. He made that very clear very early on.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden was negotiating a ceasefire in good faith. The problem was Netanyahu and his collusion with Trump.

Let face the facts. Biden was not involved with negotiating anything. He was checked out and the Israelis knew it when Biden flew over to Israel. Bibi and the rest of them were gleefully laughing at Biden. Antony Blinken and others of the same mind let Israel roll over and humiliate the US.

The hostages were never a concern of the Israeli government or people. In fact the hostage families have been call Hamas and worst in Israel. Many have been physically threaten by Israelis and the police. Israelis see the hostages as valuable propaganda for US consumption and nothing else.

Blinken is an asset for any Presidential Administration to have on board and no one rolled over him specifically. The POTUS job was over an 80 year old Biden's head; I'll give you that.

You misspelled “lying POS war criminal” as “asset” … that’s weird.