ED to UVA or W&M

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Anonymous wrote:UVA said ED has no benefit?

You can see the benefit from their CDS.

Last year, ED admit rate was 24%.

RD admit rate was 16%.

This year:
VA ED accept rate 29.5%
VA RD accept rate 11%

OOS ED accept rate 21%
OOS RD accept rate 9%

ED is the way to go.

Any in state applicant who doesn't apply ED to UVA is foolish.

Unless they ED to W&M, of course.

Of course! 🙂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our kid was accepted ED to UVA from NoVA. I’m not sure the marginal benefit over EA in-state at UVA is worth the binding commitment. In retrospect, I wish they had EA’d to UVA and let all of their other applications ride out.

My kid was accepted EA last year. I’m not sure with our younger kid - I might push ED to UVA or W&M more if they like those schools. It was a long long long year waiting for RD. Guess you just do the best you can with the information you have!

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Anonymous wrote:Our kid was accepted ED to UVA from NoVA. I’m not sure the marginal benefit over EA in-state at UVA is worth the binding commitment. In retrospect, I wish they had EA’d to UVA and let all of their other applications ride out.

Do you really? Won't it hurt either way? if they are accepted to all tho others, you are forced to let them go. If they are rejected, won't you hate them a little bit more and fear you kid 'barely' made the cut? IMHO its better not to know.

I am 95% certain my WM kid who got in ED would not have made it RD. So, I guess they just barely made the cut. So what? For every slot at W&M, there are 2+ applicants who could have the potential to be great students there. And a lot of kids who don’t even try because the average GOA is so high. My kid is doing an amazing job academically and socially, and I am so thankful they decided to ED and are attending a place where they are thriving. UVA and WM both have many, many more highly qualified applicants than slots, which parents on here bemoan regularly. The kids who “just make the cut” have everything they need to succeed if they work hard. So do WL kids accept for fall admissions, and spring pathways and a lot of the outright rejections. Being accepted these days is hard. And lucky. No one accepted should have imposter syndrome— and certainly not an unhooked kid from NOVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Our kid was accepted ED to UVA from NoVA. I’m not sure the marginal benefit over EA in-state at UVA is worth the binding commitment. In retrospect, I wish they had EA’d to UVA and let all of their other applications ride out.

Do you really? Won't it hurt either way? if they are accepted to all tho others, you are forced to let them go. If they are rejected, won't you hate them a little bit more and fear you kid 'barely' made the cut? IMHO its better not to know.

I am 95% certain my WM kid who got in ED would not have made it RD. So, I guess they just barely made the cut. So what? For every slot at W&M, there are 2+ applicants who could have the potential to be great students there. And a lot of kids who don’t even try because the average GOA is so high. My kid is doing an amazing job academically and socially, and I am so thankful they decided to ED and are attending a place where they are thriving. UVA and WM both have many, many more highly qualified applicants than slots, which parents on here bemoan regularly. The kids who “just make the cut” have everything they need to succeed if they work hard. So do WL kids accept for fall admissions, and spring pathways and a lot of the outright rejections. Being accepted these days is hard. And lucky. No one accepted should have imposter syndrome— and certainly not an unhooked kid from NOVA.

💯 As final decisions are released, as much as they may have wanted to attend a certain school, a college decision shouldn’t dictate how they feel or goals for the future. They likely have what it takes to be there, but just didn’t get accepted as there are way more qualified applicants than slots. Glad (and thankful) my daughter went ED and was accepted. It's a process that worked for us. But she also knew W&M was the one. GoTribe!

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If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

Maybe? Yes in the past. But, no DEI means not giving preference to any protected group to balance the class. This should include males, as well as women, URMs, etc. the numbers rent out yet for 2025 and it won’t be fully know how no DEI plays out until the next application cycle. ED was already done when Trump signed his EOs.

And I support DEI in college admissions. I think a diverse class is important. But if the only group getting a preference is UMC white guys from NOVA? That would piss me off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

how do you know? do the statistics show this? can you link to them?

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Anonymous wrote:The schools are different enough that one probably "fits" your student better, and your student will seem like a better fit from the AO perspective. EDing to that one (as opposed to trying to figure out which of the two has "more likely" ED stats) will likely yield a better outcome for your student.

THIS. They are both great schools, but not interchangeable. My current WM (post-COVID) junior got in with a 4.1W and 35 ACT out of FCPS by going ED. She was an amazing fit for WM for multiple reasons, including best in her high school strength in foreign languages and history/government/econ. Very pointy and applied for IR and languages, which is WM’s strength (and a path she has followed at WM very successfully) . But GPA for white girl in NOVA was 25%. UVA never would have looked at her.

+1 WM seems more interested in finding the kids who really want to be there. UVA, at least in our naviance stats, has more of a hard cutoff on GPA.

THIS! “Who comes here belongs here”. WM moto and they live this.

I always thought the bigger meaning of that was to be welcome everyone who comes and treat them like they belong as much as anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The schools are different enough that one probably "fits" your student better, and your student will seem like a better fit from the AO perspective. EDing to that one (as opposed to trying to figure out which of the two has "more likely" ED stats) will likely yield a better outcome for your student.

THIS. They are both great schools, but not interchangeable. My current WM (post-COVID) junior got in with a 4.1W and 35 ACT out of FCPS by going ED. She was an amazing fit for WM for multiple reasons, including best in her high school strength in foreign languages and history/government/econ. Very pointy and applied for IR and languages, which is WM’s strength (and a path she has followed at WM very successfully) . But GPA for white girl in NOVA was 25%. UVA never would have looked at her.

+1 WM seems more interested in finding the kids who really want to be there. UVA, at least in our naviance stats, has more of a hard cutoff on GPA.

THIS! “Who comes here belongs here”. WM moto and they live this.

I always thought the bigger meaning of that was to be welcome everyone who comes and treat them like they belong as much as anyone else.

Your take is better. People are weird about this!

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Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

Maybe? Yes in the past. But, no DEI means not giving preference to any protected group to balance the class. This should include males, as well as women, URMs, etc. the numbers rent out yet for 2025 and it won’t be fully know how no DEI plays out until the next application cycle. ED was already done when Trump signed his EOs.

And I support DEI in college admissions. I think a diverse class is important. But if the only group getting a preference is UMC white guys from NOVA? That would piss me off.

Males aren't a protected class. Indeed, all the wailing about DEI is about giving whites and especially white males more advantages, so it is crazy to think that a school that preferences men will be in any kind of trouble. At any rate, there is nothing to my knowledge that prevents colleges from seeking to balance their m/f ratio. It may piss you off, but males have had a better chance of admission to W&M for many years.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

how do you know? do the statistics show this? can you link to them?

The data needed to calculate are in the common data set: male vs female acceptances divided by applicants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

how do you know? do the statistics show this? can you link to them?

The data needed to calculate are in the common data set: male vs female acceptances divided by applicants.

Sorry, hit enter too soon. The last time I looked (admittedly, it's been a couple years), W&M gets almost 2x as many applications from girls than boys.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

how do you know? do the statistics show this? can you link to them?

The data needed to calculate are in the common data set: male vs female acceptances divided by applicants.

Sorry, hit enter too soon. The last time I looked (admittedly, it's been a couple years), W&M gets almost 2x as many applications from girls than boys.

Yep, and maintains a f/m ratio around 60/40. Small but significant advantage for male applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

how do you know? do the statistics show this? can you link to them?

Men have had a higher acceptance rate than women in the past. But it’s true that we are now post DEI, which could prohibit a nod towards males.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your child is male, chances of admission to W&M are much better than UVA, whether you apply ED or RD.

Maybe? Yes in the past. But, no DEI means not giving preference to any protected group to balance the class. This should include males, as well as women, URMs, etc. the numbers rent out yet for 2025 and it won’t be fully know how no DEI plays out until the next application cycle. ED was already done when Trump signed his EOs.

And I support DEI in college admissions. I think a diverse class is important. But if the only group getting a preference is UMC white guys from NOVA? That would piss me off.

Males aren't a protected class. Indeed, all the wailing about DEI is about giving whites and especially white males more advantages, so it is crazy to think that a school that preferences men will be in any kind of trouble. At any rate, there is nothing to my knowledge that prevents colleges from seeking to balance their m/f ratio. It may piss you off, but males have had a better chance of admission to W&M for many years.

Ummm sex is a protected class. And in a zero sum game of college admissions, preferring men harms women, who are a protected class. Also, a lot of girl parents would be up in arms if women lost a VT Engineering advantage to “DEI,” but men kept one at WM. Do you really think that would be fair?