If more women than men have college degrees, what does it mean for

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Anonymous wrote:Gender discussion aside, college degrees are quickly becoming worthless.

If everyone can and does get one, then they aren't worth a thing anymore.

Blame diploma mill colleges, who simply hand out degrees to anyone with the money.

Blame government student loan scams, for giving everyone a load to give to the colleges.

It's all a money laundering operation these days.

Awhile back I listened to a radio show where the far right leaning white man who supported Project 25 was talking about how college degrees were worthless. Apparently since men weren’t pursuing them so much as in the past and now more women than men were getting degrees, the only explanation was that degrees didn’t have much value. They are only worth something if men think they’re worth pursuing. It was an interesting spin.

That sounds related the the phenomenon described by another PP:

There are interesting studies on straight men opting out of anything - a degree field, a job type, a sport, the whole idea of college - when it becomes too popular with women. The tipping point is really low and once an activity gets that critical percentage of women, straight men abandon it. And then you start hearing about how it's worthless because "anybody" can do it.

The number of gay men attending college has not decreased, btw - only straight men.

I saw that comment after I posted. I was just so surprised/shocked about the view that men were choosing not to get degrees because they had no value but I see that it goes beyond college.

Men derive and signal value from competing and distinguishing themselves against other men. No one gives you kudos for beating a woman at something.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t just about finding a financial equal but an intellectual equal.

Women need to realize that some very smart men choose not to go to college and not allow a degree to exclude dating choices.

Women are typically more conformist and agreeable and engage in less risky, inside-the-box herd thinking, so they use credentialism and other such tokens more to ascertain value.

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Which interest group is pushing against marriage?

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Anonymous wrote:We need more stay at home dads and a society that accepts them.

This society doesn't accept SAHM who actually carry, birth, breastfeed and nurture children. Why would they accept SAHD? Corporations and governments benefit from more workerbees not well adjusted families.

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I live in boston and work in economics.

Women are enrolled in “college” more but there is massive discrepancy in programs.

I’ll attend a graduate Econ seminar / paper talk at Harvard and it’s 75/25 men at best…many times 90/10…

I was at a phd urban studies seminar the other day at a lower tier school in the area and it was all women except one guy

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Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is more likely to be driven by men not comfortable “marrying up” vs women refusing to marry men who earn less.

And maybe this will be good for family balance issues with more women as key breadwinner roles.

Maybe but as of now surveys show more men want to get married than women.

More women say they don't but issue is that they can't. Surveys don't count for people covering insecurity with denial.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t just about finding a financial equal but an intellectual equal.

Women need to realize that some very smart men choose not to go to college and not allow a degree to exclude dating choices.

Sorry, that's only the case for a very minuscule number, most men who doesn't want education aren't very smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Gender discussion aside, college degrees are quickly becoming worthless.

If everyone can and does get one, then they aren't worth a thing anymore.

Blame diploma mill colleges, who simply hand out degrees to anyone with the money.

Blame government student loan scams, for giving everyone a load to give to the colleges.

It's all a money laundering operation these days.

Awhile back I listened to a radio show where the far right leaning white man who supported Project 25 was talking about how college degrees were worthless. Apparently since men weren’t pursuing them so much as in the past and now more women than men were getting degrees, the only explanation was that degrees didn’t have much value. They are only worth something if men think they’re worth pursuing. It was an interesting spin.

The math isn’t mathing. What a man can make in other jobs can make it not worth it, to take out a hundred grand for a degree.

There are more ways to evaluate ROI than $$$.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting conversation because many (not all) women want men who are equal or higher than them in some way. Financially, intellectually, socially, and/or physically.

If a woman is a white collar professional, is she automatically going to want the same in a mate? Or, will the blue collar business owner be enough? The unfortunate side effect is that we’ll have more women looking at a smaller pool of men.

Lawyer here. I did end up marrying another lawyer. I would have been happy with anyone equally successful—so blue collar business owner would have been great. Being with another lawyer who understands the unique demands of the job has been good though.

A friend who is a doctor has resented her teacher DH because she has carried virtually all of the financial weight. She was glad when he was available to care for the kids in summers though (if being in the house with the kids while he spends the day gaming counts as “care”).

Men traditionally have had to carry “virtually all of the financial weight.” Why is it so awful for the roles to switch and women take on breadwinner role?

Women are worse than men when they have financial control.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t just about finding a financial equal but an intellectual equal.

Women need to realize that some very smart men choose not to go to college and not allow a degree to exclude dating choices.

Women are typically more conformist and agreeable and engage in less risky, inside-the-box herd thinking, so they use credentialism and other such tokens more to ascertain value.

They want intellectual compatibility.

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Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

The so-called “pink” majors have less high paying career tracks BECAUSE they are dominated by women. There is nothing inherently tougher about computer programming than nursing, for example. If a bunch of men decided to take over nursing schools en masse, watch those salaries skyrocket.

Not true. As everything in capitalism it’s about the money. How much money does a degree generate for the corporate world? Nursing vs programming for example

This poster does not seem to know much about large health systems like MedStar or Hopkins or HCA.

Answer: a lot. In the aggregate, a LOT.

You know who has to administer that $125 Tylenol? I’ll let you guess. In the same vein (ha), just guess which job title takes on the lion’s share of the $975,862.83 ICU hospitalization of MeeMaw?

The money barreling into the coffers of large health systems is not done on the backs of programmers

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t just about finding a financial equal but an intellectual equal.

Women need to realize that some very smart men choose not to go to college and not allow a degree to exclude dating choices.

Women are typically more conformist and agreeable and engage in less risky, inside-the-box herd thinking, so they use credentialism and other such tokens more to ascertain value.

They want intellectual compatibility.

A lot of the time, that's just a nice-sounding cover for their real preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

The so-called “pink” majors have less high paying career tracks BECAUSE they are dominated by women. There is nothing inherently tougher about computer programming than nursing, for example. If a bunch of men decided to take over nursing schools en masse, watch those salaries skyrocket.

Not true. As everything in capitalism it’s about the money. How much money does a degree generate for the corporate world? Nursing vs programming for example

Bullshit. Healthcare in the United States is a for profit system. Plenty of middle men (and I do mean men) have found ways to generate substantial profit off of the sick and dying. But the women who actually do the work and provide the care make peanuts.

The PBMs are evil and contribute nothing to society. But you need to be a lot smarter to do that job than you need to be to wipe @$$es.

And there it is, folks. Guaranteed if the majority of nurses were men the job description wouldn’t be reduced to “wiping @$$es”

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Severe competition for the smaller group of successful white collar men. Studies show when a university tips past 60-40 female applications take a huge hit.

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Investment in boys in school and programs targeted at them—much like we did with girls over the past two decades who now are in stem in much greater numbers.