If more women than men have college degrees, what does it mean for

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender discussion aside, college degrees are quickly becoming worthless.

If everyone can and does get one, then they aren't worth a thing anymore.

Blame diploma mill colleges, who simply hand out degrees to anyone with the money.

Blame government student loan scams, for giving everyone a load to give to the colleges.

It's all a money laundering operation these days.

Awhile back I listened to a radio show where the far right leaning white man who supported Project 25 was talking about how college degrees were worthless. Apparently since men weren’t pursuing them so much as in the past and now more women than men were getting degrees, the only explanation was that degrees didn’t have much value. They are only worth something if men think they’re worth pursuing. It was an interesting spin.

That sounds related the the phenomenon described by another PP:

There are interesting studies on straight men opting out of anything - a degree field, a job type, a sport, the whole idea of college - when it becomes too popular with women. The tipping point is really low and once an activity gets that critical percentage of women, straight men abandon it. And then you start hearing about how it's worthless because "anybody" can do it.

The number of gay men attending college has not decreased, btw - only straight men.

[Anonymous]

College degrees are currently and will continue to be devalued.

Women’s work is not and will never be valued in a patriarchy, regardless of how well we adhere to the rules and how many hoops we jump through. And women’s work is any work which, as a PP alluded, has a decent percentage of women engaging in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:okay...I'm 62 yo, so old school lol...but
I have a master's degree in a hard science and my husband never went to college and he always made more than I did. He is a smart guy.

College doesn't guarantee high $$.

Don't share that out loud in a room full of rich overly educated people..

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Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

The so-called “pink” majors have less high paying career tracks BECAUSE they are dominated by women. There is nothing inherently tougher about computer programming than nursing, for example. If a bunch of men decided to take over nursing schools en masse, watch those salaries skyrocket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender discussion aside, college degrees are quickly becoming worthless.

If everyone can and does get one, then they aren't worth a thing anymore.

Blame diploma mill colleges, who simply hand out degrees to anyone with the money.

Blame government student loan scams, for giving everyone a load to give to the colleges.

It's all a money laundering operation these days.

Awhile back I listened to a radio show where the far right leaning white man who supported Project 25 was talking about how college degrees were worthless. Apparently since men weren’t pursuing them so much as in the past and now more women than men were getting degrees, the only explanation was that degrees didn’t have much value. They are only worth something if men think they’re worth pursuing. It was an interesting spin.

That sounds related the the phenomenon described by another PP:

There are interesting studies on straight men opting out of anything - a degree field, a job type, a sport, the whole idea of college - when it becomes too popular with women. The tipping point is really low and once an activity gets that critical percentage of women, straight men abandon it. And then you start hearing about how it's worthless because "anybody" can do it.

The number of gay men attending college has not decreased, btw - only straight men.

I saw that comment after I posted. I was just so surprised/shocked about the view that men were choosing not to get degrees because they had no value but I see that it goes beyond college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: The unfortunate side effect is that we’ll have more women looking at a smaller pool of men.

Or not. Gen Z and Gen Alpha seem very gender fluid.

FIFY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

The so-called “pink” majors have less high paying career tracks BECAUSE they are dominated by women. There is nothing inherently tougher about computer programming than nursing, for example. If a bunch of men decided to take over nursing schools en masse, watch those salaries skyrocket.

Not true. As everything in capitalism it’s about the money. How much money does a degree generate for the corporate world? Nursing vs programming for example

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

The so-called “pink” majors have less high paying career tracks BECAUSE they are dominated by women. There is nothing inherently tougher about computer programming than nursing, for example. If a bunch of men decided to take over nursing schools en masse, watch those salaries skyrocket.

Not true. As everything in capitalism it’s about the money. How much money does a degree generate for the corporate world? Nursing vs programming for example

Bullshit. Healthcare in the United States is a for profit system. Plenty of middle men (and I do mean men) have found ways to generate substantial profit off of the sick and dying. But the women who actually do the work and provide the care make peanuts.

[Anonymous]

The unchanging truth is that old people need a advocate/manager when they are cognitively declined which happens to the vast majority esp now with all the physical longevity. Of course it’s not a guarantee kids will provide it (esp if they are themselves 70 and older by the time grandma needs her finances managed) but it’s like an insurance or maybe a lottery.
All this to say that smart women will continue having kids, with a partner or not. Harder to do it for a single man through.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

The so-called “pink” majors have less high paying career tracks BECAUSE they are dominated by women. There is nothing inherently tougher about computer programming than nursing, for example. If a bunch of men decided to take over nursing schools en masse, watch those salaries skyrocket.

Not true. As everything in capitalism it’s about the money. How much money does a degree generate for the corporate world? Nursing vs programming for example

Bullshit. Healthcare in the United States is a for profit system. Plenty of middle men (and I do mean men) have found ways to generate substantial profit off of the sick and dying. But the women who actually do the work and provide the care make peanuts.

You realize you just confirmed my point? It’s the money generating ones who are paid more. I never said the whole healthcare field wasn’t profitable.
If you look at education, there’s less money to be made in general, so only the top ones get good salaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unchanging truth is that old people need a advocate/manager when they are cognitively declined which happens to the vast majority esp now with all the physical longevity. Of course it’s not a guarantee kids will provide it (esp if they are themselves 70 and older by the time grandma needs her finances managed) but it’s like an insurance or maybe a lottery.
All this to say that smart women will continue having kids, with a partner or not. Harder to do it for a single man through.

Also of course there are instincts and a general desire to fulfill oneself personally as a parent.

[Anonymous]

More women head-of-household.

There are communities that have been dealing with this —a lack of suitable men as life partners, as a result of income/education disparities amongst other things—for years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another friend just announced her solo pregnancy. That's the 3rd one so far in 2025. None of them are married or even dating anyone. All chose the artificial insemination/IVF routes.

Good for them, I say. I love a self-sufficient queen.

+ 1

Most of us end up having to be a self sufficient queen anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another friend just announced her solo pregnancy. That's the 3rd one so far in 2025. None of them are married or even dating anyone. All chose the artificial insemination/IVF routes.

Good for them, I say. I love a self-sufficient queen.

I'm shocked no men are courting them

Well, this word certainly reveals what century this thought needs to remain in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my community, men and women both get STEM degrees and get high salaries. Older generation support young families in material and emotional ways. I am not seeing a decline in marriages or births. Though more than 2 children is not common in our community.

Just say your "community" – we know you're not talking about a neighborhood.

They’re talking about communities that work hard, value education, and take tough stem majors. Like math, engineering, premed/med.

Other communities see woman taking more “pink” majors like marketing, nursing, education, communication, studies. Those have less high paying career tracks than stem majors or law/med/mba graduate programs.

So like UMC communities? Like Kenwood?

Interesting. I assumed ethnic communities, like people whose family came from somewhere in, oh say, Asia.