What happens if large percentage take the buy out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If more than 5% take this deal, I'd be surprised.

-A fed.

I read they were aiming for 5-10% with this, I think that is feasible.

A friend is a legal recruiter, she is getting a lot of calls from feds.

no halfway intelligent lawyer is taking this “offer.” It offers literally nothing except being able to avoid RTO for a few months.

No, you get to do nothing and get paid until September stop spreading lies

lol who is spreading lies? Please cite the language in any agreement that says “you get to do nothing.”

NP You are indeed spreading lies. No work will be done. Instead of posting lies on here do you own research and learn to read.

[Anonymous]

People retiring will not take this deal. You do not get TSP matching or accrue leave while in a non pay status such as administrative leave. There is no benefit to a "deferred resignation"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.

It is a buy out. You go on immediate administrative leave. Read the OPM memo fools.

Directly from the email:

“Regardless of your daily workload” means you have a daily workload. Why wouldn’t your agency get every last drop of work out of you?

“Reducing my official duties”
That’s not immediate admin leave, you don’t do ANY official duties while in admin leave. my agency could simply say you don’t have to do anymore mandatory training, just post cases.

“Completing reasonable and customary tasks and processes to facilitate my departure”
So basically, do your job until sept but don’t have to go in office.

Why would my agency give anyone admin leave. We have dockets that are hundreds of cases long. If I left tomorrow 100 cases would have to be transferred to another examiner. Also, I have quarterly quotas. If I don’t meet them in March I’m put on a quick pip which increases my work demands. If I don’t cover that I get fired within a month. I can’t risk that based on a sketchy worded email. Why would my agency take away my caseload when nothing in this email says they have to?

If they truly were going to put everyone in admin leave as soon as they accept the offer then they would just say that. It’s weird you don’t see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If more than 5% take this deal, I'd be surprised.

-A fed.

I read they were aiming for 5-10% with this, I think that is feasible.

A friend is a legal recruiter, she is getting a lot of calls from feds.

no halfway intelligent lawyer is taking this “offer.” It offers literally nothing except being able to avoid RTO for a few months.

No, you get to do nothing and get paid until September stop spreading lies

lol who is spreading lies? Please cite the language in any agreement that says “you get to do nothing.”

NP You are indeed spreading lies. No work will be done. Instead of posting lies on here do you own research and learn to read.

nice try dumb*ss. We can all read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People retiring will not take this deal. You do not get TSP matching or accrue leave while in a non pay status such as administrative leave. There is no benefit to a "deferred resignation"

Good point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.

It is a buy out. You go on immediate administrative leave. Read the OPM memo fools.

Read the email, fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.

It is a buy out. You go on immediate administrative leave. Read the OPM memo fools.

Read the email, fool.

Does PP think that a memo (that I didn’t sign) governs my rights?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some will take it.
You definitely are overlooking that fed offices are filled with mid level young parents who are looking at summer break and eyeing this offer as a rare opportunity to take a paid summer vacay with their kids, not shell out money for daycare, and then spend most of August interviewing for jobs in private sector.
There are also plenty of young GenZers who wouldn’t mind taking a paycheck to stay home for a few months or travel or even immediately get a new job and take double salary until September. And getting new job will be easy if they choose a super liberal company and just blame their departure on “yeah I had to get out of that Trump sh!$show…”
This is a terrible move by Elon/Trump but I don’t think it will land as flat as people think.
There will be some takers. 5-7%

Except it’s not a “paid summer vacay.” it literally by its terms is “deferred resignation.” You *still have to work* the whole time. It has zero benefits.

+1

It's not leave, it's just working remotely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a buyout. I hope that most feds will be smart enough to realize this and not take it.

This. It's "we will continue to allow you to work from home until September, at which time you will 'resign.' We may place you on leave during that time, but no guarantees."

The only people this is good for are those who were planning on quitting/retiring before September anyway, or those who truly can't do a commute for logistical reasons, and will use the 8 months to find a new job (while still working).

That's not true you stop working but get paid until sept.

False.

Trumpy trolls love to spread lies.

[Anonymous]

The economy crashes.

[Anonymous]

The "buy out" is an Elon Musk troll. There is a reason you only have until 2/6 to take it, and it's because everyone who takes a deferred resignation will just get let go without pay. Musk is going to then brag about getting rid of the 5-10% laziest feds who thought they would actually get paid to do nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "buy out" is an Elon Musk troll. There is a reason you only have until 2/6 to take it, and it's because everyone who takes a deferred resignation will just get let go without pay. Musk is going to then brag about getting rid of the 5-10% laziest feds who thought they would actually get paid to do nothing.

Getting 10% reduction in Fed headcount will absolutely be considered a triumph. Especially if it was voluntary. Assume 7% voluntary buy outs (not uncommon in the private sector) and another 8% involuntary reduction, altogether 15% reduction in workforce. If output does not decrease, it is without question a victory for the Trump administration. Although privately suspect they are looking at more than 15%. Probably 25%.

I listen to a few Democrats and some have said there's fat that can be trimmed in the bureaucracy so you may be surprised by the relatively minimal opposition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some will take it.
You definitely are overlooking that fed offices are filled with mid level young parents who are looking at summer break and eyeing this offer as a rare opportunity to take a paid summer vacay with their kids, not shell out money for daycare, and then spend most of August interviewing for jobs in private sector.
There are also plenty of young GenZers who wouldn’t mind taking a paycheck to stay home for a few months or travel or even immediately get a new job and take double salary until September. And getting new job will be easy if they choose a super liberal company and just blame their departure on “yeah I had to get out of that Trump sh!$show…”
This is a terrible move by Elon/Trump but I don’t think it will land as flat as people think.
There will be some takers. 5-7%

Except it’s not a “paid summer vacay.” it literally by its terms is “deferred resignation.” You *still have to work* the whole time. It has zero benefits.

+1

It's not leave, it's just working remotely.

No, they are genuinely putting out guidance that says you will go on admin leave once you transition duties. Our agency has specifically directed us to the OPM Q&As that say that. The agency is working on its own guidance including the internal paperwork that you will actually signed to effectuate your deferred resignation, but it does look like this is more akin to a buyout than the original email made it sound like. Whether they'll stick to the deal, it's binding, it will be funded by Congress, etc are all legitimate questions, but it does look like the intention is that you won't work. Several of my employees (including one who was planning to retire anyway, but wants to use the pause to look for her post-retirement contracting job) have already indicated interest. I don't think 5-10% is unreasonable, especially at agencies whose employees fear being targeted. (I am not at such an agency and have heard interest nonetheless.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "buy out" is an Elon Musk troll. There is a reason you only have until 2/6 to take it, and it's because everyone who takes a deferred resignation will just get let go without pay. Musk is going to then brag about getting rid of the 5-10% laziest feds who thought they would actually get paid to do nothing.

Getting 10% reduction in Fed headcount will absolutely be considered a triumph. Especially if it was voluntary. Assume 7% voluntary buy outs (not uncommon in the private sector) and another 8% involuntary reduction, altogether 15% reduction in workforce. If output does not decrease, it is without question a victory for the Trump administration. Although privately suspect they are looking at more than 15%. Probably 25%.

I listen to a few Democrats and some have said there's fat that can be trimmed in the bureaucracy so you may be surprised by the relatively minimal opposition.

The problem is that many of those taking voluntary buyouts are the folks who are most able to get another job, which means they are competent and/or have transferable skills; it's possible that some of them are the "fat," but most likely are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some will take it.
You definitely are overlooking that fed offices are filled with mid level young parents who are looking at summer break and eyeing this offer as a rare opportunity to take a paid summer vacay with their kids, not shell out money for daycare, and then spend most of August interviewing for jobs in private sector.
There are also plenty of young GenZers who wouldn’t mind taking a paycheck to stay home for a few months or travel or even immediately get a new job and take double salary until September. And getting new job will be easy if they choose a super liberal company and just blame their departure on “yeah I had to get out of that Trump sh!$show…”
This is a terrible move by Elon/Trump but I don’t think it will land as flat as people think.
There will be some takers. 5-7%

Except it’s not a “paid summer vacay.” it literally by its terms is “deferred resignation.” You *still have to work* the whole time. It has zero benefits.

+1

It's not leave, it's just working remotely.

No, they are genuinely putting out guidance that says you will go on admin leave once you transition duties. Our agency has specifically directed us to the OPM Q&As that say that. The agency is working on its own guidance including the internal paperwork that you will actually signed to effectuate your deferred resignation, but it does look like this is more akin to a buyout than the original email made it sound like. Whether they'll stick to the deal, it's binding, it will be funded by Congress, etc are all legitimate questions, but it does look like the intention is that you won't work. Several of my employees (including one who was planning to retire anyway, but wants to use the pause to look for her post-retirement contracting job) have already indicated interest. I don't think 5-10% is unreasonable, especially at agencies whose employees fear being targeted. (I am not at such an agency and have heard interest nonetheless.)

+1. There’s an OPM transmittal that provides additional information (and a Q&A) that specifies your duties are reassigned and you’re on admin leave.