Moving to VA from DC for in-state college consideration

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

Naviance is multiple years of data, so there's no way you know the number for a single year.

She says that but I see in our school Naviance that every year they accept about 50 students at my kids' HS. Regardless of the number of applications. I don't have a problem with that, 50 from any one school seems very reasonable. But it's disingenuous to say there's no quota.

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She says that but I see in our school Naviance that every year they accept about 50 students at my kids' HS. Regardless of the number of applications. I don't have a problem with that, 50 from any one school seems very reasonable. But it's disingenuous to say there's no quota.

Naviance shows multiple years of data, so there's no way you know the number for a single year.

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

Yeah, I don't think UVA is trying to be more selective. If anything, they seem to actively discourage people who haven't take the top program from applying.

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

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Is it just the one person who is ALWAYS parroting "Dean J"? "Dean J says this/that!" It's so incredibly annoying.

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She says that but I see in our school Naviance that every year they accept about 50 students at my kids' HS. Regardless of the number of applications. I don't have a problem with that, 50 from any one school seems very reasonable. But it's disingenuous to say there's no quota.

Naviance shows multiple years of data, so there's no way you know the number for a single year.

One of the screens in our Naviance does show individual years with the number of apps and number of acceptance. It's always 48-51.

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

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Is it just the one person who is ALWAYS parroting "Dean J"? "Dean J says this/that!" It's so incredibly annoying.

Yeah why would you believe an Associate Dean of Admission rather than some anonymous rando on DCUM?

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

She has no reason to lie. She has no reason to "market" UVA. Everyone in Virginia knows what UVA is, thousands of kids want in, and the majority of those admitted will attend.

"If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero."

Um, why does this surprise you? It's exactly what you should expect. The smartest and most qualified applicants are in NoVA not in the south/west of the state.

"Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ."

Again, why does this surprise you? There are LOTS of smart kids at Langley.

You're going to have to do better than that to sell the Quota Conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP - no one has said this yet so I'm tossing in a thought. You don't know at this point in middle school if your kids will have the stats and ECs for admission to UVA or W&M.

Eh if her kids are in private middle school, she doesn't need to worry about it.

False. She has no idea now if her kids will have a 4.5 GPA, a 35 ACT or a 1520 SAT, which is the 75th percentile of last fall's class at UVA - and pretty much what you need to compete successfully for a slot from NOVA. Competition for in-state schools is only going to go up as privates approach $100k a year. (USC is now $96k)

Private middle school = two smart parents with money = those kids aren't going to have a problem getting into UVA.

Boy are you out-of-date! Did you see the stats it takes now to get into UVA? 4.5 GPA; 35 ACT; 1520 SAT and that's at the 75th percentile meaning 25% have higher stats. And geeat ECs. UVA and W&M have both become lottery schools. Especially for in-state kids where an acceptance could mean a savings of $220k compared to private. My kid applied to Ivies and UVA and picked UVA for its Jefferson Scholarship and never looked back. Now at Yale Law. We consider ourselves very fortunate to have these in-state options.

Go to Reddit or College Confidenfial and read the stats of the kids waiisted or denied.

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

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Is it just the one person who is ALWAYS parroting "Dean J"? "Dean J says this/that!" It's so incredibly annoying.

Yeah why would you believe an Associate Dean of Admission rather than some anonymous rando on DCUM?

because we know college admissions. we know AOs are indeed marketing people whose success in the end of the day comes down to that sentence they send out to alums (and ranking services) that says " Once Again (insert name of school) has received a record number of applications at 60,000 out of which we could accept only ---- making our selectivity drop to 12%. Rah rah! insert name of school). That is the game being played.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To OP - no one has said this yet so I'm tossing in a thought. You don't know at this point in middle school if your kids will have the stats and ECs for admission to UVA or W&M.

Eh if her kids are in private middle school, she doesn't need to worry about it.

False. She has no idea now if her kids will have a 4.5 GPA, a 35 ACT or a 1520 SAT, which is the 75th percentile of last fall's class at UVA - and pretty much what you need to compete successfully for a slot from NOVA. Competition for in-state schools is only going to go up as privates approach $100k a year. (USC is now $96k)

Private middle school = two smart parents with money = those kids aren't going to have a problem getting into UVA.

DP. This is not even remotely true.

I’m sorry you are painfully stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

She has no reason to lie. She has no reason to "market" UVA. Everyone in Virginia knows what UVA is, thousands of kids want in, and the majority of those admitted will attend.

"If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero."

Um, why does this surprise you? It's exactly what you should expect. The smartest and most qualified applicants are in NoVA not in the south/west of the state.

"Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ."

Again, why does this surprise you? There are LOTS of smart kids at Langley.

You're going to have to do better than that to sell the Quota Conspiracy.

I'm not the conspiracy person. The facts speak for themselves. Every year it's the same number of acceptances in Fairfax County; at Langley; at TJ; at McLean. Call it whatever you want but those are the facts. Ask any public or private college counselor.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP - no one has said this yet so I'm tossing in a thought. You don't know at this point in middle school if your kids will have the stats and ECs for admission to UVA or W&M.

Eh if her kids are in private middle school, she doesn't need to worry about it.

False. She has no idea now if her kids will have a 4.5 GPA, a 35 ACT or a 1520 SAT, which is the 75th percentile of last fall's class at UVA - and pretty much what you need to compete successfully for a slot from NOVA. Competition for in-state schools is only going to go up as privates approach $100k a year. (USC is now $96k)

Private middle school = two smart parents with money = those kids aren't going to have a problem getting into UVA.

DP. This is not even remotely true.

I’m sorry you are painfully stupid.

why do you care so much that you have to resort to insulting this PP. It is ture and they are not "painfully stupid". Ask any public or private college counselor. Simply "being in a private middle school with parents with money - as was suggested" - does NOT mean automatic in to UVA just like a similad
r case in CA does not mean an auto in to UCLA or Cal. The kid has to have the stats (and, yes, TO is going away for UVA in fall of 2026) and the ECs and LORs to make an meritorious application and then sit and pray be Use there are only 5,000 seats (unlike UCLA and Cal) and of course URM and first-gen helps.

Oh, I get it you are a rival kid at VT. Go to bed.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP - no one has said this yet so I'm tossing in a thought. You don't know at this point in middle school if your kids will have the stats and ECs for admission to UVA or W&M. Both have gotten very difficult to get into. Virginia has over 30 institutions of higher learning (including the community colleges for the guaranteed transfer programs). You may find your kids fit better into GMU, JMU, etc., five years from now - DC amd MD don't offer the wealth of opportunities that VA does. And the DC tag program offers only $10k off the price and that's not going to increase even as costs rise. Finally, VA kids get preference for grad school prograns. My VA kid is applying to VA public law schools right now.

This is another good reason to move into the state. Virginia has excellent law schools, master's programs, doctoral programs, medical, nursing and dental schools and MBA programs and residents get some preference. I know one UVA MBA mom who is kicking herself for not moving into the Commonwealth when she could have. There is a discount for in-state Virginians (although not much for law - last I checked in-state UVA law was $106k a year compared to 110k OOS). But UVA students and Virginians do get some preference in admissions. Last year's UVA's law class of 305 had 30 Virginians (yes, with 175 LSATs and 3.88 GPAs - the 75th percentile - which is why it is a T4) whereas my alma mater, Harvard ($116k a year) Law had only 12 Virginians total in a class of 510 (also T4).

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Anonymous wrote:To OP - no one has said this yet so I'm tossing in a thought. You don't know at this point in middle school if your kids will have the stats and ECs for admission to UVA or W&M.

Eh if her kids are in private middle school, she doesn't need to worry about it.

False. She has no idea now if her kids will have a 4.5 GPA, a 35 ACT or a 1520 SAT, which is the 75th percentile of last fall's class at UVA - and pretty much what you need to compete successfully for a slot from NOVA. Competition for in-state schools is only going to go up as privates approach $100k a year. (USC is now $96k)

Private middle school = two smart parents with money = those kids aren't going to have a problem getting into UVA.

DP. This is not even remotely true.

I’m sorry you are painfully stupid.

why do you care so much that you have to resort to insulting this PP. It is ture and they are not "painfully stupid". Ask any public or private college counselor. Simply "being in a private middle school with parents with money - as was suggested" - does NOT mean automatic in to UVA just like a similad
r case in CA does not mean an auto in to UCLA or Cal. The kid has to have the stats (and, yes, TO is going away for UVA in fall of 2026) and the ECs and LORs to make an meritorious application and then sit and pray be Use there are only 5,000 seats (unlike UCLA and Cal) and of course URM and first-gen helps.

Oh, I get it you are a rival kid at VT. Go to bed.

I’m sorry you are also stupid. I did not say “automatic” admission to UVA. But any intelligent person (ie not you or the other PP) recognizes that these kids are, to a very high degree of probability, in a demographic that will have no problem getting into UVA.

Why are you even talking about UCLA or Cal? Oh yeah it’s because you’re stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:We currently live in DC and have two Middle Schoolers in private Middle School. We want to move in the next few years before the kids are in high school - we currently live in DC far away from the kids school and moving to NW DC would be most convenient. However, we want to consider all options.

Are kids from Northern VA considered in-state for purposes of admission or are they evaluated against others at their DC private school? Asked another way, if they apply to UVA or W&M, is there a better shot of admission if they have a VA address vs a DC address? Or does high school matter more?

I understand there is a financial benefit to being in-state, I'm specifically asking about admissions.

applying to UVA from northern VA is not really an advantage.

UVA and other public universities in Virginia take kids based on geographic regions. Accordingly, it’s like applying to Harvard from Montana— applying to UVA from Fairfax is MUCH more difficult than applying from Roanoke. Also, all OOS are not created equal. UVA doesn’t want to fill its OOS portion with DC/MD kids only, meaning it’s MORE competitive.

No. DeanJ has repeatedly said there is no regional quota or cap for kids from Northern Virginia.

You actually believe everything she says? She's a marketing person! That's what college AOs are now - they will say anything to get your kid to apply so they can be rejected which drives down the acceptance and selectivity percentages. If you had bothered to do some research on thus (SCHEV) you would know that Fairfax County sends some 600 kids a year to UVA alone whereas some of the poorer counties to the south and west of the state send zero. Langley receives almost the exact same no. of acceptances every year as does TJ. She maynot want to call it "quotas" but it happens.

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Is it just the one person who is ALWAYS parroting "Dean J"? "Dean J says this/that!" It's so incredibly annoying.

Yeah why would you believe an Associate Dean of Admission rather than some anonymous rando on DCUM?

because we know college admissions. we know AOs are indeed marketing people whose success in the end of the day comes down to that sentence they send out to alums (and ranking services) that says " Once Again (insert name of school) has received a record number of applications at 60,000 out of which we could accept only ---- making our selectivity drop to 12%. Rah rah! insert name of school). That is the game being played.

If all they want is more applications and the job is just marketing, why does UVA talk about taking the best program and four years of language? That scares people away. That doesn’t get more applications.