College Majors & The Rise of AI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw that Rice University will be offering a Bachelor of Science in Artificial Intelligence through their engineering school. I wonder if more schools will follow.

My CS major was told by a professional that taking a class or two in AI/ML is all well and good but real learning is grad school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

[Anonymous]

Huh. I'm in academia and I don't feel exploited.

Maybe what you have in mind is the high cost of graduate school? We in the humanities have a tough but simple solution: if you can't win a full scholarship with at least a living stipend or TA salary attached, you shouldn't go to grad school unless and until you can procure that security. If you love doing it, aren't going into debt, and can spare the time, there's no harm done as long as you are making career plans for afterwards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

You're talking all this sh*t and your kid will be a CS major. 🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

So what do you think is a safer choice? What would you suggest your kid study in college, if not CS? I am genuinely asking because, even if I don't know anything about the field, I can see what you're describing will happen in the near future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Help me understand this then. Won’t AGI also replace lawyers, doctors, etc. And won’t CS majors be needed to keep all these systems running. There is way more to CS than programming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Help me understand this then. Won’t AGI also replace lawyers, doctors, etc. And won’t CS majors be needed to keep all these systems running. There is way more to CS than programming.

You dont need 10,000,000 CS graduates…..5% of that is enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Help me understand this then. Won’t AGI also replace lawyers, doctors, etc. And won’t CS majors be needed to keep all these systems running. There is way more to CS than programming.

You dont need 10,000,000 CS graduates…..5% of that is enough.

There are only 100,000 CS graduates per year…so, by your figures we need 5x more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

Wrong.

A CS degree is more than coding.

Sorry bud…you dont need to teach me what a CS degree is…..been teaching at some of the TOP CS depts for years….
Of course it is more than coding. But it doesnt change the fact that once we reach AGI, there wont be a need for an INEXPERIENCED CS graduate….those jobs will be gone whether you like it or not. The transition will be hard. It will start with the kids right out of college first and with time, even guys in my position will be obsolete.
But go head and put your head in the sand as you send your kids to study CS…..let’s have this conversation again in 2030….

biglaw partner here. its for all careers. we will need fewer "baby" associates/young lawyers too. and eventually will need fewer partners as well.
the transition will be brutal.
not sure where the pivot is.

Agree 💯

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any and every White Collar profession theoretically is at risk with AI.

As an example, NYT said the advertising industry is actually getting hammered right now by AI...and the creatives are the most impacted.

Top Creatives made nominally more in the 1980s then they do today because of AI and digital advertising (and AI's role in data analysis). Everyone in the industry was pissed by Coca Cola's AI commercials...but guess what, the average consumer could care less.

AI is also chipping away at film making...people arent' filming AI scripts, but now AI is used to create storyboards, create digital effects, etc.

The trades are relatively immune...but not completely immune. Supposedly, new HVAC systems, boilers, etc. will incorporate AI technology to make it easier to do DIY stuff and to alert to any major fixes before those fixes are needed. Will eliminate the need for annual maintenance. All these add up to fewer visits from trades people and far fewer emergency fixes (that are usually at a premium).

So...who knows.

Sorry but I don't think AI is changing any filters, cleaning out bug screens or de-calcifying the hot water heater for you (basically, someone needs to shut off the water supply, a human has to hook up hoses that pumps vinegar-ish solution thru the appliance continually for a set time, then unhook the hoses, recap those openings, turn the water back on, etc..). AI has already been started in Building Automation Systems Technology but it still needs human oversight. And the fact is, the BAS systems (basically AI) will alert for maintenance needs, but as has been typical for pre-AI, human procrastination is a problem. Unless the BAS system makes loud annoying noises, some people, especially homeowners, tend to put maintenance off until it's too late.
Some of us are diligent about oil changes for our car.
And some will drive their car to the ground despite this common knowledge about oil changes.

The reason trades people tend to show up is because the homeowner goofed or is lazy.

When it comes to machinery, I think there are many limitations. There is still a lot of drudgery.
Now if AI can whip up healthy dinners for me every night of the week, empty my dishwasher and fold my laundry, that would be great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Help me understand this then. Won’t AGI also replace lawyers, doctors, etc. And won’t CS majors be needed to keep all these systems running. There is way more to CS than programming.

You dont need 10,000,000 CS graduates…..5% of that is enough.

There are only 100,000 CS graduates per year…so, by your figures we need 5x more.

Of course your universe is only the US. There are more than 1 Million CS graduates worldwide per year. In just 10 years we (the world) have graduate more than 10 Million CS graduates…..the current number that includes old people like me is much higher than that……

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

Just more specious claims in an industry full of them. You're the one claiming some sort of secretive insight into things, not anyone else. 'Trust me, only I among you understand' get the eff out dude.

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Just more specious claims in an industry full of them. You're the one claiming some sort of secretive insight into things, not anyone else. 'Trust me, only I among you understand' get the eff out dude.