Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

80-100 mph winds.

What I want to know is how the fire started. Allegedly multiple separate fires were spotted. Feels like arson.

They haven't had rain in 8 mo and humidity is low. And everything is hilly.

Ecological disaster

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Stop talking about new watering systems JFC they don’t have water in the existing hydrants! There is a water shortage in ca. One cannot escape the fact the the tree huggers in those parts of ca have resisted proper forest management forever and that management gives fire fighters the ability to create fire lanes and manage fires such as this one. It’s been screamed about for years by the professionals. And where is the Mayor of la? In Africa on a tour. What a f g joke! Such a beautiful state controlled by absolute morons. Prayers up for the firefighters putting themselves in harms way. Oh and for the idiot Californians.

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Too many people living somewhere with not enough water. Same with CO and AZ too. The boom in Phoenix is absolutely shocking given the fact that the area is entirely dependent on water from elsewhere. People have no sense of self preservation.

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Anonymous wrote:Too many people living somewhere with not enough water. Same with CO and AZ too. The boom in Phoenix is absolutely shocking given the fact that the area is entirely dependent on water from elsewhere. People have no sense of self preservation.

As someone in those areas I think the same of people who live in hurricane and blizzard areas. Canceling school because of snow? Poor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop talking about new watering systems JFC they don’t have water in the existing hydrants! There is a water shortage in ca. One cannot escape the fact the the tree huggers in those parts of ca have resisted proper forest management forever and that management gives fire fighters the ability to create fire lanes and manage fires such as this one. It’s been screamed about for years by the professionals. And where is the Mayor of la? In Africa on a tour. What a f g joke! Such a beautiful state controlled by absolute morons. Prayers up for the firefighters putting themselves in harms way. Oh and for the idiot Californians.

Wouldn’t it just use the same water that they are trying to use now? If controlled burns are so objectionable why not look into alternatives that would offer some protection to not only property but more importantly the firefighters and other first responders.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

Republicans are such idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

I don't really understand what you have in mind - like a continuous spray? Water isn't unlimited - hydrants in some of these areas are already running dry as firefighters use them. And any active system would presumably require power and somebody to man it. Plus spraying water in 100 mpg gusts probably not effective.

I know this kind of fire is unfamiliar to east coasters, I'm not mocking. But it's much bigger and faster than you are imagining. You're basically asking why Florida doesn't have some kind of pump to keep hurricanes out.

As with hurricanes, there are new building methods that help. Burying the power lines would be a huge help, but that's expensive and CA allowed it's power utility to be privatized. This is really a story of climate change + bad infrastructure decisions.

Have you ever seen crop irrigation systems, they implement rotating water cannons to cover large swaths of land. Install some of these and only turn them on when a fire is happening and a neighborhood is in danger. It’s not a complex idea.

LOL asking someone from CA if they've seen a crop sprinkler. Uh, yes, I have.
I tried to nicely explain already, but it's clear you are not familiar with fires, the terrain, or the water or electricity situation. But sure, you solved it, good job.

Yeah, still not sure how this idea isnt better than nothing. A quick google search shows that apparently there are companies that do provide this service. Adapting it to be an integral part of a community’s infrastructure would make sense.

https://www.wildfirewater.com/

I think this area would be hard because it is all hills and houses. There isn't space to put a massive sprinkler system.

I assume planes can scoop up water from the ocean to fight the fire? I am not sure how that works.

The system is there, just tap into the hydrant infrastructure. New developments and super sized houses would have them underground.

The Palisades area hydrants are dry now, after 24 hours of firefighting in sporadic areas. There is no water to just spray around like you are suggesting. No. Water. Your idea would require private reservoirs: from where are those filled?

These are fires that we struggle to put out with airplanes dumping water from the sky. A sprinkler is not it. (To another PP - the planes can't fly in this wind.) And spraying water in high winds is a waste as it just gets carried away.

A much more minor issue, but pumps and sprinklers require power to run. There's no electricity in a wildfire, and batteries explode. Windmills are a possibility, not sure they will work in Santa Ana winds.

There are lots of things CA could do better, but "why don't they just spray water on it" is such a clueless take.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

I don't really understand what you have in mind - like a continuous spray? Water isn't unlimited - hydrants in some of these areas are already running dry as firefighters use them. And any active system would presumably require power and somebody to man it. Plus spraying water in 100 mpg gusts probably not effective.

I know this kind of fire is unfamiliar to east coasters, I'm not mocking. But it's much bigger and faster than you are imagining. You're basically asking why Florida doesn't have some kind of pump to keep hurricanes out.

As with hurricanes, there are new building methods that help. Burying the power lines would be a huge help, but that's expensive and CA allowed it's power utility to be privatized. This is really a story of climate change + bad infrastructure decisions.

Have you ever seen crop irrigation systems, they implement rotating water cannons to cover large swaths of land. Install some of these and only turn them on when a fire is happening and a neighborhood is in danger. It’s not a complex idea.

You are aware that CA has been in a major drought status for years (decades?) yes?

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I swear to God some of you are still drunk from NYE and the snow days.

This reminds me of a few years back, when Trump (then Prez) blamed the people of CA for all of the destruction that the wildfires caused.

He actually said it was the residents of CA’s fault that there were so many wildfires!! 🤦🏼
He claimed that CA residents were not keeping their “floors”/grounds swept + raked properly (like the folks in Greenland did!) and he even spoke of withholding emergency monies because of it!
Of course - it was all part of his power trip (the guys LOVES power + control!)

Personally he was just butt hurt that CA didn’t vote for him.
But to the PP >> how can you say such an insensitive remark when so many people lose their lives & homes??

Calm down. What Trump said actually is correct. The fires aren't just because of global warming, there have always been wildfires in California due to the dry nature of the region combined with the wind patterns. It's that there are now so many people living in high fire risk areas. As other posters have already pointed out, you have to take proactive steps with the vegetations around your properties. If you don't you put yourself at a higher risk for fire. Although there are definitely times when there's nothing you can do.

There have always been fires, but the scale and frequency are new. There used to be a wet season (now) and a fire season: now it's fire season year round. That is climate change.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

Republicans are such idiots.

What an odd response, completely out of left field. This is a combination of bad state policies, dry conditions in challenging terrain, dense population, high winds.

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Anonymous wrote:Too many people living somewhere with not enough water. Same with CO and AZ too. The boom in Phoenix is absolutely shocking given the fact that the area is entirely dependent on water from elsewhere. People have no sense of self preservation.

As someone in those areas I think the same of people who live in hurricane and blizzard areas. Canceling school because of snow? Poor kids.

PP here. I don’t live in hurricane or blizzard prone areas either. It’s a well known fact that the DC is fairly immune to major weather events. I’ll take few days off school for snow (because it’s so rare here) over evacuating my family for fires, hurricanes, mudslides and earthquakes. But hey, enjoy the gorgeous So Cal weather! It must be awesome that it hasn’t rained in 8 months!

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If you’ve never been in a situation like this before you just have no idea how it works. Someone used illegal ammunition at a shooting range near our barn in Lake View Terrace and we watched in horror as the fire literally jumped the highway and came at us. We had to turn horses loose into Angeles National Forest because we couldn’t get them on trailers fast enough. I grew up in Pasadena and remember driving and having to use windshield wipers because the ashes were coming down so hard. If you’ve never seen the utter power and destruction of fire on dry ground before consider yourself lucky.

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Anonymous wrote:Too many people living somewhere with not enough water. Same with CO and AZ too. The boom in Phoenix is absolutely shocking given the fact that the area is entirely dependent on water from elsewhere. People have no sense of self preservation.

As someone in those areas I think the same of people who live in hurricane and blizzard areas. Canceling school because of snow? Poor kids.

Are you kidding? Kids love snow days!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

I swear to God some of you are still drunk from NYE and the snow days.

This reminds me of a few years back, when Trump (then Prez) blamed the people of CA for all of the destruction that the wildfires caused.

He actually said it was the residents of CA’s fault that there were so many wildfires!! 🤦🏼
He claimed that CA residents were not keeping their “floors”/grounds swept + raked properly (like the folks in Greenland did!) and he even spoke of withholding emergency monies because of it!
Of course - it was all part of his power trip (the guys LOVES power + control!)

Personally he was just butt hurt that CA didn’t vote for him.
But to the PP >> how can you say such an insensitive remark when so many people lose their lives & homes??

Calm down. What Trump said actually is correct. The fires aren't just because of global warming, there have always been wildfires in California due to the dry nature of the region combined with the wind patterns. It's that there are now so many people living in high fire risk areas. As other posters have already pointed out, you have to take proactive steps with the vegetations around your properties. If you don't you put yourself at a higher risk for fire. Although there are definitely times when there's nothing you can do.

There have always been fires, but the scale and frequency are new. There used to be a wet season (now) and a fire season: now it's fire season year round. That is climate change.

Which means what Trump says is still on the right side. People have to take much stricture measures to try to control the fires through landscaping and vegetation. As for scale and frequency, there were devastating wildfires in the 80s even before global warming was a thing. It's that the population is much bigger and therefore many more people affected, and suburban sprawl gets in the way of a natural wildfire with unpleasant results.

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Fire is also a naturally occurring event, so it is not automatically the cause of arson.
Note that broken bottles and broken glass can also start a fire. So please be cautious when out in the woods.
Take only photographs and leave only footprints