Question for Trumpers

[Anonymous]

How you can equate a consensual BJ as the same thing as nonconsensual sexual assault shows how stupid you are and how low your standards are? In the famous words of another elected repugnant, make sure to tell your girls to lay back and just enjoy getting raped.

[Anonymous]

It's almost as if Americans are just breeding the lowest, worst specifimens of humans who are sheep among wolves to believe this idiocy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How you can equate a consensual BJ as the same thing as nonconsensual sexual assault shows how stupid you are and how low your standards are? In the famous words of another elected repugnant, make sure to tell your girls to lay back and just enjoy getting raped.

You do know Clinton was also accused of nonconsensual sexual assault, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came of age at a time when I was told that perjury over a BJ was no big deal. That personal conduct could be separated from professional conduct in the role of the president.

Then you read about what Saint JFK was up to and other historical stars of the left and the right … and I guess I internalized those lessons that private conduct is separate from the presidency. I mean Hillary Clinton stayed married to at best a sexual abuser and at worst to someone that grabbing women by… and she did it for political expediency. HRC was out there defending a sexual predator while dismissing his victims as being part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Yes, Trump’s private conduct was much worse than that of HRC, but if decency and good behavior matters then we should have all been disgusted by HRC.

The whole “disqualified” line of attack annoyed me and pushed me more right. Someone who perjured himself, even if only about sex, should also have “disqualified” himself from the presidency, but as a teenager I was told that didn’t matter. I’m not saying you will agree with me or accept this, OP. I’m just answering your question.

I have never heard a democrat defend Clinton. He was in his second term when the Lewinsky scandal broke. Yes, there were other allegations before that, but this is the one that was irrefutable at the time. It did change our opinion of him. DocI think he did a great job as president? Yes. Do I think he was a good person? No. If given the chance, would I have voted for him again? No.

I was not alive during JFK’s time so I can’t speak much to that. Information obviously did not travel as well during that time, and I assume most people just brushed it off as rumors. I don’t know anyone other than boomers who admire him as a person. Just like Clinton, knowing what we now know, I wouldn’t vote for him.

You can’t be serious about blaming Hillary for Bill’s affair. That is victim blaming at its finest. We don’t know the details of their private life leading up to that or after. We don’t know how or why they worked things out and stayed together. Lots of people end up staying together after an affair. Do you despise all of those couples as well?

You can’t be serious about absolving Hillary of blame for how she smeared her husband’s accusers?

[Anonymous]

Interesting thread.

But not interesting or surprising at the misogyny in this country. Willing to discount what he said -and ofc he has done it but even saying it- just b/c it makes you comfortable with your own prejudices.

Typical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So people who were disgusted by Clinton's behavior voted for Trump even though he is arguably even worse. Yeah, that makes sense.

I absolutely do not think Trump was worse. By a long shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came of age at a time when I was told that perjury over a BJ was no big deal. That personal conduct could be separated from professional conduct in the role of the president.

Then you read about what Saint JFK was up to and other historical stars of the left and the right … and I guess I internalized those lessons that private conduct is separate from the presidency. I mean Hillary Clinton stayed married to at best a sexual abuser and at worst to someone that grabbing women by… and she did it for political expediency. HRC was out there defending a sexual predator while dismissing his victims as being part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Yes, Trump’s private conduct was much worse than that of HRC, but if decency and good behavior matters then we should have all been disgusted by HRC.

The whole “disqualified” line of attack annoyed me and pushed me more right. Someone who perjured himself, even if only about sex, should also have “disqualified” himself from the presidency, but as a teenager I was told that didn’t matter. I’m not saying you will agree with me or accept this, OP. I’m just answering your question.

I have never heard a democrat defend Clinton. He was in his second term when the Lewinsky scandal broke. Yes, there were other allegations before that, but this is the one that was irrefutable at the time. It did change our opinion of him. DocI think he did a great job as president? Yes. Do I think he was a good person? No. If given the chance, would I have voted for him again? No.

I was not alive during JFK’s time so I can’t speak much to that. Information obviously did not travel as well during that time, and I assume most people just brushed it off as rumors. I don’t know anyone other than boomers who admire him as a person. Just like Clinton, knowing what we now know, I wouldn’t vote for him.

You can’t be serious about blaming Hillary for Bill’s affair. That is victim blaming at its finest. We don’t know the details of their private life leading up to that or after. We don’t know how or why they worked things out and stayed together. Lots of people end up staying together after an affair. Do you despise all of those couples as well?

You can’t be serious about absolving Hillary of blame for how she smeared her husband’s accusers?

I can. She was the cheated on spouse. And of course was pissed and lashed out. This happens ALL THE TIME in this situation and she's no different. But you already know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting thread.

But not interesting or surprising at the misogyny in this country. Willing to discount what he said -and ofc he has done it but even saying it- just b/c it makes you comfortable with your own prejudices.

Typical.

What he said was that women let him do it. Don’t twist his words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came of age at a time when I was told that perjury over a BJ was no big deal. That personal conduct could be separated from professional conduct in the role of the president.

Then you read about what Saint JFK was up to and other historical stars of the left and the right … and I guess I internalized those lessons that private conduct is separate from the presidency. I mean Hillary Clinton stayed married to at best a sexual abuser and at worst to someone that grabbing women by… and she did it for political expediency. HRC was out there defending a sexual predator while dismissing his victims as being part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Yes, Trump’s private conduct was much worse than that of HRC, but if decency and good behavior matters then we should have all been disgusted by HRC.

The whole “disqualified” line of attack annoyed me and pushed me more right. Someone who perjured himself, even if only about sex, should also have “disqualified” himself from the presidency, but as a teenager I was told that didn’t matter. I’m not saying you will agree with me or accept this, OP. I’m just answering your question.

I have never heard a democrat defend Clinton. He was in his second term when the Lewinsky scandal broke. Yes, there were other allegations before that, but this is the one that was irrefutable at the time. It did change our opinion of him. DocI think he did a great job as president? Yes. Do I think he was a good person? No. If given the chance, would I have voted for him again? No.

I was not alive during JFK’s time so I can’t speak much to that. Information obviously did not travel as well during that time, and I assume most people just brushed it off as rumors. I don’t know anyone other than boomers who admire him as a person. Just like Clinton, knowing what we now know, I wouldn’t vote for him.

You can’t be serious about blaming Hillary for Bill’s affair. That is victim blaming at its finest. We don’t know the details of their private life leading up to that or after. We don’t know how or why they worked things out and stayed together. Lots of people end up staying together after an affair. Do you despise all of those couples as well?

You can’t be serious about absolving Hillary of blame for how she smeared her husband’s accusers?

I can. She was the cheated on spouse. And of course was pissed and lashed out. This happens ALL THE TIME in this situation and she's no different. But you already know this.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think the people upset about Hilary’s actions in the 90s had to do with her choice to stay with Bill. Honestly, educate yourself before taking sides with her in a discussion about her smear of women who dared to speak up about Bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it hilarious that, of all the things, you think this stupid tape is the most disqualifying. It's just two guys talking dirty and none of that really happened, except, maybe, going to the furniture with that woman which didn't really go anywhere. Why didn't he "grab the pussy" of that one? He is no more pussy grabber "a star women let do anything" than he is the most successful businessman and president with the biggest crowds.

This.

Plus, OP's premise is really faux outrage. Your. Outrage. Is. Fake.

It is so fake, in fact, that you OP, and your supporters in this thread, cheered and whooped when Lil John appeared at the DNC and they even played his song, "Get Low."

Have you even stopped for a second to consider what Lil John was actually saying in his 2024 DNC convention song? Seriously, have you?

Go look up those lyrics. Actually read them. Then consider whether you really discovered an "ah-ha! Gotcha!" moment, or merely a politically expedient recording of vulgar locker room banter, which really does not matter, even to you.

Pretty sure none of us would vote for Lil Jon for president. You are really reaching here. A hip hop artist is not held to the same standard of decorum as the president. I did not see or hear of this and am not familiar with the song. If it is as bad as you say, then yeah, it was a big mistake to let that happen at the DNC convention. Hopefully the organizers learned from it for next time. Just as I hope the RNC learned from all the disgusting things that were said at their convention and the campaign trail. Things won’t get better until we ALL raise our standards and hold them to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump cheated on all three of his wives, has been found liable for sexual assault, and has been convicted of 34 counts of fraud relating to his cover up of an affair with a porn star. Those are facts.

Voters thought so little of those cases that they reelected Trump in a landslide. Pure lawfare and everyone knows it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How you can equate a consensual BJ as the same thing as nonconsensual sexual assault shows how stupid you are and how low your standards are? In the famous words of another elected repugnant, make sure to tell your girls to lay back and just enjoy getting raped.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Commit perjury eventually leading your -year suspension from the practice of law and probable disbarment from SCOTUS (WJC resigned rather than face the music)? We’ll just frame this as being about consensual BJ’s.

When it is the other side? Then it is a strict morality code.

Again, you’re free to disagree with me on the substance, but if a guy being ineligible to practice law before SCOTUS because of his crimes isn’t “disqualifying” from being POTUS, then don’t be shocked when other people also abandon the “disqualifying” metric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I care zero about locker room talk. What matters to me is policy and the fact that I found his first term in office, particularly his SCOTUS appointments, to be a success and I wanted that over Kamala.

Ok if locker room talk like this is no big deal, then please prove it. Do you have a teenage son/loved one? Have him go into the proverbial locker room and start bragging about sexually assaulting women, grabbing them, and that when you’re popular, they let you do it. Have him laugh about moving on girls who are in committed relationships. Then have him start talking about a baby girl’s breasts and legs. Report back and let us know how “normal” his peers found this locker room talk to be.

Surely you wouldn’t mind him doing this, right? If a grown man isn’t expected to know better, then a teenage boy certainly isn’t!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came of age at a time when I was told that perjury over a BJ was no big deal. That personal conduct could be separated from professional conduct in the role of the president.

Then you read about what Saint JFK was up to and other historical stars of the left and the right … and I guess I internalized those lessons that private conduct is separate from the presidency. I mean Hillary Clinton stayed married to at best a sexual abuser and at worst to someone that grabbing women by… and she did it for political expediency. HRC was out there defending a sexual predator while dismissing his victims as being part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Yes, Trump’s private conduct was much worse than that of HRC, but if decency and good behavior matters then we should have all been disgusted by HRC.

The whole “disqualified” line of attack annoyed me and pushed me more right. Someone who perjured himself, even if only about sex, should also have “disqualified” himself from the presidency, but as a teenager I was told that didn’t matter. I’m not saying you will agree with me or accept this, OP. I’m just answering your question.

I have never heard a democrat defend Clinton. He was in his second term when the Lewinsky scandal broke. Yes, there were other allegations before that, but this is the one that was irrefutable at the time. It did change our opinion of him. DocI think he did a great job as president? Yes. Do I think he was a good person? No. If given the chance, would I have voted for him again? No.

I was not alive during JFK’s time so I can’t speak much to that. Information obviously did not travel as well during that time, and I assume most people just brushed it off as rumors. I don’t know anyone other than boomers who admire him as a person. Just like Clinton, knowing what we now know, I wouldn’t vote for him.

You can’t be serious about blaming Hillary for Bill’s affair. That is victim blaming at its finest. We don’t know the details of their private life leading up to that or after. We don’t know how or why they worked things out and stayed together. Lots of people end up staying together after an affair. Do you despise all of those couples as well?

WJC was impeached by the House but acquitted by the Senate for perjury and obstruction of justice. Not a single democratic senator voted to convict him on the impeachment charges. I may have been young, but I remember clearly he was defended on “he may not be a good guy or he may have perjured himself, but this is about sex and this doesn’t rise to high crimes and misdemeanors.” The NYT did a roundup of editorials with papers around the country calling for censure, not conviction.

And we haven’t even talked about what he was doing with cigars in the Oval Office, yet. You think locker room talk on a hit mic is bad? How do you explain cigars in the Oval Office to your daughter? Or does it not matter when it is your side? You know what word nobody ever said during the Lewinsky scandal and the credible accusations of rape and sexual harassment? “Disqualified”.

So yes, at the time the entire democratic machine got behind him and defended him. And it was politically expedient. WJC brought the democrats out of the dessert and was the first ray of hope on a national level since JFK. They all defended him at the time. Most notably HRC.

I don’t blame HRC for his affairs and sexual harassment. I do blame HRC for going on the attack against of WJC’s accusers. How would you feel if Melania was attacking, directly or indirectly, Trump’s accusers?

It speaks volumes that the only thing you can compare this to was three decades ago. Oh, other than the thing that was 6 decades ago. And you are comparing apples to oranges. Nobody is saying Trump should have been impeached and prosecuted for those tapes. The question is why his supporters didn’t care. In my circle anyway, Clinton’s supporters very much cared. What do I tell my daughters, you ask? I tell them what my own parents told me at the time. That it was wrong on every level and a complete disgrace, and that he should be held accountable. I also point out how it shattered him, politically, to this day. Notice how the DNC utilizes him very sparingly on the campaign trail, even though his presidential achievements and speaking skills are second only to The Obamas? This is because he is not well-respected within the party, and candidates need to keep him at a distance. Now your turn. What do you tell your daughters about Trump’s affairs, AH tapes, paying off a porn star, etc?

I don’t know the ins and outs of the law and how they pertained to the Clinton situation. Since it was about sex, I don’t actually know how much more they could have done. I assume they could have done more regarding the perjury, and they should have.

Whether republican or democrat, our leaders should be held to the absolute highest standard. I am not willing to make exceptions for my own party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came of age at a time when I was told that perjury over a BJ was no big deal. That personal conduct could be separated from professional conduct in the role of the president.

Then you read about what Saint JFK was up to and other historical stars of the left and the right … and I guess I internalized those lessons that private conduct is separate from the presidency. I mean Hillary Clinton stayed married to at best a sexual abuser and at worst to someone that grabbing women by… and she did it for political expediency. HRC was out there defending a sexual predator while dismissing his victims as being part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Yes, Trump’s private conduct was much worse than that of HRC, but if decency and good behavior matters then we should have all been disgusted by HRC.

The whole “disqualified” line of attack annoyed me and pushed me more right. Someone who perjured himself, even if only about sex, should also have “disqualified” himself from the presidency, but as a teenager I was told that didn’t matter. I’m not saying you will agree with me or accept this, OP. I’m just answering your question.

I have never heard a democrat defend Clinton. He was in his second term when the Lewinsky scandal broke. Yes, there were other allegations before that, but this is the one that was irrefutable at the time. It did change our opinion of him. DocI think he did a great job as president? Yes. Do I think he was a good person? No. If given the chance, would I have voted for him again? No.

I was not alive during JFK’s time so I can’t speak much to that. Information obviously did not travel as well during that time, and I assume most people just brushed it off as rumors. I don’t know anyone other than boomers who admire him as a person. Just like Clinton, knowing what we now know, I wouldn’t vote for him.

You can’t be serious about blaming Hillary for Bill’s affair. That is victim blaming at its finest. We don’t know the details of their private life leading up to that or after. We don’t know how or why they worked things out and stayed together. Lots of people end up staying together after an affair. Do you despise all of those couples as well?