Teen boys skewing more conservative?

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No, what kind of school do they go to?

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My son is pretty moderate but definitely had an Andrew Tate phase. I think it’s hard for teenage boys who feel like teachers cater to girls and they can’t even use the bathroom in their schools because we’ve become too worried about social justice to actually discipline students. Instead good kids just have to live with the chaos and consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Massive disinformation online. It’s deliberate and it’s working.

I don’t know. I think the disinformation goes in many directions. My Harris-voting teen sons were pretty angry when, after seeing what the MSM said about Trump wanting to execute Liz Cheney, they watched the actual clip. The MSM completely misrepresented what Trump said and as boys who are worried about the draft, one of them nearly changed his vote to Trump over that. Misinformation is not a problem only on the right, and young Gen Z men are very capable of finding original sources.

That example was pretty galling and really opened my eyes to the lengths the msm would go to actually lie to the American public. It was actually incredibly depressing.

It was incredibly depressing, and I’m convinced it swung a lot of young male voters to Trump in the very last days of the campaign. It has also made them fully and completely distrust the mainstream media even more. And honestly, why should people trust the media that so obviously lies on behalf of one candidate?

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Anonymous wrote:My son is pretty moderate but definitely had an Andrew Tate phase. I think it’s hard for teenage boys who feel like teachers cater to girls and they can’t even use the bathroom in their schools because we’ve become too worried about social justice to actually discipline students. Instead good kids just have to live with the chaos and consequences.

Yea, my sons in a good public school district wouldn’t drink water so they didn’t have to use the bathrooms all day.

That kind of experience radicalizes kids. My kids are Harris voters but they know a lot of kids who voted Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is pretty moderate but definitely had an Andrew Tate phase. I think it’s hard for teenage boys who feel like teachers cater to girls and they can’t even use the bathroom in their schools because we’ve become too worried about social justice to actually discipline students. Instead good kids just have to live with the chaos and consequences.

Yea, my sons in a good public school district wouldn’t drink water so they didn’t have to use the bathrooms all day.

That kind of experience radicalizes kids. My kids are Harris voters but they know a lot of kids who voted Trump.

I'm kind of clueless- what does this mean? Are the bathrooms not safe? Is there harassment or fighting?

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I hear this from my son as well. It’s concerning but I try to engage on the issues. Like you’re worried about “immigration” so you think families should be deported who have lived here for 20 years and contributed to society? You think immigrants who commit crimes should be deported? Yes, that’s already the law.
I do think there’s something to be said about the way DEI has been taught that’s gone awry, and I say that as someone who cares a lot of these issues. It’s not being done effectively if the message isn’t being received.
Social media / you tube doesn’t help.

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Anonymous wrote:11:12 and I will say listening to my son, he feels the world and especially school is against him. He really believes that now. Some of your sons may feel the same. He doesn’t want to take away any rights from women. He just wants to make sure he has rights too.

What rights of his are missing or at risk?

It’s his perception. It’s the perception of a teen boy and how many feel. They have gone through years of school and sat through of the lessons now focused on all of the SEL stuff. We cant tell them how to feel.

I get that. I do. But the reason schools have swung so far in that direction is because so many non-white, non-boys have gone through decades of sitting through lessons focused on white men. They have to at least be aware of that. If they’d been born at a different time, they’d be sitting pretty, blissfully unaware of their privilege. But they weren’t, and this is their period in history to live through.

I am a parent of a white teen boy, fwiw, and I don’t want to erase the accomplishments of all those white men that came before, but the hope is that things can settle in a stable medium where everyone feels valued and respected.

But this isn’t true. No child has listened to anything for decades. Because they’re not decades old. You are advocating for, essentially, mistreatment of innocent white children NOW because of the mistreatment of non-white children before they were even born. It’s insane.

The heavy-handed SEL / DEI educational movement has been going strong for at least 10 years. So it's been part of the educational culture since at least 2014. That's a decade worth of kids who have come up being taught (force-fed?) this point of view. Not all of it is bad, and not every male child/teen feels alienated by it. But some of it is, and many of them do.

The young adults who were 8-10 year olds in 2014 are now 18-20. The teens who were 13-16 in 2014 are now 23-26.

I recognize that correllation does not equal causation. But it's worth considering whether we're seeing a backlash from some of the heavy-handed "values-based" education that has been heavily promoted in blue state public schools this past decade.

On that note, I don't see this as exclusively focused on race-based DEI education. I think it's also the SEL piece that teaches kids that some emotions and decisions are ok (empathy and inclusion) but that others are not (dislike, anger, choice, opting-out).

When 10-12 year olds are "taught" that they are being a "bully" because they are not friends with everyone, including kids they genuinely don't like for legit reasons, something has gone too far. After all, adults are not expected to make time for or be friends with everyone, nor do we have to invite everyone we know to participate in everything we do. So why are our kids expected to do so, especially after the age of 8? Are they not allowed to choose who to spend time with and how?

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Anonymous wrote:My son is pretty moderate but definitely had an Andrew Tate phase. I think it’s hard for teenage boys who feel like teachers cater to girls and they can’t even use the bathroom in their schools because we’ve become too worried about social justice to actually discipline students. Instead good kids just have to live with the chaos and consequences.

Yea, my sons in a good public school district wouldn’t drink water so they didn’t have to use the bathrooms all day.

That kind of experience radicalizes kids. My kids are Harris voters but they know a lot of kids who voted Trump.

I'm kind of clueless- what does this mean? Are the bathrooms not safe? Is there harassment or fighting?

The schools literally close the bathrooms. It’s where kids would go to take drugs or fight and since we don’t have enough adults to manage the chaos they close the bathrooms instead. Kids just have to hold it all day or find the one bathroom that’s open with security. It’s bananas. Plenty of threads on this on MCPS board.

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Anonymous wrote:My boys are 15 and 17 and they, and all of their friends, seem to be right of their parents. They claim that “everyone” was excited about the Trump victory.

They’ve been told for years that they need to apologize for their privilege and their unconscious bias. Unlike the boys of my generation that made off-colored jokes, they live in fear of unintentionally offending someone and being cancelled while they watch the black kids call each other the n-word and make white boy jokes. They noted in middle school that their girl friends weren’t allowed to wear nail polish or makeup to school but no one said anything when the trans kinds did so. The LGBTQ+ and diverse kids are celebrated while they’re made to feel like the boogeyman. Every book they read in English class is about the struggles of some maligned group- they never read books in school that they can relate to.

Yes, we need to address the wrongs of our country’s past, but we need to do so in a way that doesn’t repeat those wrongs by making young white, Hispanic and Asian straight males feel like they’re now being treated unfairly. I fear that the Democratic party has lost a generation of male voters by prioritizing DEI and trans rights over crime, national safety and jobs.

-Mom who voted for Obama twice, Hillary, Biden and now, reluctantly, Trump. I know several friends who voted for a Republican for the first time this election.

You are spot on.

+1,000,000%

And as a straight, white woman I feel the same way. I’m labeled a “Karen” and made to feel like a terrible person just for existing

Who is making you feel that way? Specifics please, preferably real live people. Not just a bunch of bots and trolls on the internet.

I'd also like real life examples of people telling your boys to their face that they have to apologize for anything, because no one has ever said anything like that to my boys. Where are your kids when they hear this? Who is saying it to them?

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My son says that schools favor girls, that teachers love the girls, they never get in trouble, everything they say needs to be catered to etc. This was at a small private school. I have no idea what’s true or not, but it was shared across many of the boys.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is pretty moderate but definitely had an Andrew Tate phase. I think it’s hard for teenage boys who feel like teachers cater to girls and they can’t even use the bathroom in their schools because we’ve become too worried about social justice to actually discipline students. Instead good kids just have to live with the chaos and consequences.

Yea, my sons in a good public school district wouldn’t drink water so they didn’t have to use the bathrooms all day.

That kind of experience radicalizes kids. My kids are Harris voters but they know a lot of kids who voted Trump.

I'm kind of clueless- what does this mean? Are the bathrooms not safe? Is there harassment or fighting?

The schools literally close the bathrooms. It’s where kids would go to take drugs or fight and since we don’t have enough adults to manage the chaos they close the bathrooms instead. Kids just have to hold it all day or find the one bathroom that’s open with security. It’s bananas. Plenty of threads on this on MCPS board.

Right but what does that have to do with this topic?

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Anonymous wrote:My son is pretty moderate but definitely had an Andrew Tate phase. I think it’s hard for teenage boys who feel like teachers cater to girls and they can’t even use the bathroom in their schools because we’ve become too worried about social justice to actually discipline students. Instead good kids just have to live with the chaos and consequences.

Yea, my sons in a good public school district wouldn’t drink water so they didn’t have to use the bathrooms all day.

That kind of experience radicalizes kids. My kids are Harris voters but they know a lot of kids who voted Trump.

I'm kind of clueless- what does this mean? Are the bathrooms not safe? Is there harassment or fighting?

The schools literally close the bathrooms. It’s where kids would go to take drugs or fight and since we don’t have enough adults to manage the chaos they close the bathrooms instead. Kids just have to hold it all day or find the one bathroom that’s open with security. It’s bananas. Plenty of threads on this on MCPS board.

. M

Thanks for the explanation-that's crazy.