Walls Counselor sharing students' college apps

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Anonymous wrote:While there is something wrong about that culture ("I'm not sharing, so you can't get ideas & compete"), it's not the counselor's call to decide otherwise and share such personal information. They can speak in general to where others apply ED, whatever, but not with names attached. And they sure should help foster a sense of mutual trust and "we're in this together" values. But before you accuse anyone, also consider the possibility that this information was shared among students, and someone simply blamed the counselor.

FWIW, on the substance: I do think all students will be better off if we help them see how everyone can benefit from a culture of information sharing in schools. And we parents can have those conversations, in general, at home to support them in getting to that point. Then again, I also appreciate oversharing turning into some pressure fest. Very difficult all of this, takes a lot of finesse on the part of the counselor. And while I appreciate the idea of a counselor getting to know their students as they approach that point in time over the course of 4 years, maybe that (Walls) model is just no longer the best.

Except that we know this "possibility" to be untrue. My senior at Walls saw the list, with students' names, of where people were applying early, hanging on the counselor's office wall in full view of anyone who walked in.

Did you contact administration?

Nope. As others have mentioned in this thread, seniors desperately need the counselor for their applications right now, so anything that would rock the boat seems unwise.

Perhaps once application season is over, I will.

You think that she wouldn’t continue to be professional and would hold it against the kid and not submit forms? That’s ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your jumping to the conclusion that she'd hold it against the kid.
The thing I was ACTUALLY worried about is that she might get suspended or otherwise bogged down with administrative "fixes" that would take her away from the 150+ kids she needs to help get through application season.
For the record, my kid has filed early applications and so doesn't need her just now. It's not about my kid.

Considering you used the phrase ‘desperately need their counselor’ no I don’t think the conclusion is ridiculous. You are on this site saying your kid is upset but you aren’t willing to say anything? Maybe it was an accident and someone just needs to let the counselor know.

Nope, my kid is not upset. Not sure where you got that idea.

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Anonymous wrote:While there is something wrong about that culture ("I'm not sharing, so you can't get ideas & compete"), it's not the counselor's call to decide otherwise and share such personal information. They can speak in general to where others apply ED, whatever, but not with names attached. And they sure should help foster a sense of mutual trust and "we're in this together" values. But before you accuse anyone, also consider the possibility that this information was shared among students, and someone simply blamed the counselor.

FWIW, on the substance: I do think all students will be better off if we help them see how everyone can benefit from a culture of information sharing in schools. And we parents can have those conversations, in general, at home to support them in getting to that point. Then again, I also appreciate oversharing turning into some pressure fest. Very difficult all of this, takes a lot of finesse on the part of the counselor. And while I appreciate the idea of a counselor getting to know their students as they approach that point in time over the course of 4 years, maybe that (Walls) model is just no longer the best.

Except that we know this "possibility" to be untrue. My senior at Walls saw the list, with students' names, of where people were applying early, hanging on the counselor's office wall in full view of anyone who walked in.

Did you contact administration?

Nope. As others have mentioned in this thread, seniors desperately need the counselor for their applications right now, so anything that would rock the boat seems unwise.

Perhaps once application season is over, I will.

You think that she wouldn’t continue to be professional and would hold it against the kid and not submit forms? That’s ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your jumping to the conclusion that she'd hold it against the kid.
The thing I was ACTUALLY worried about is that she might get suspended or otherwise bogged down with administrative "fixes" that would take her away from the 150+ kids she needs to help get through application season.
For the record, my kid has filed early applications and so doesn't need her just now. It's not about my kid.

Considering you used the phrase ‘desperately need their counselor’ no I don’t think the conclusion is ridiculous. You are on this site saying your kid is upset but you aren’t willing to say anything? Maybe it was an accident and someone just needs to let the counselor know.

Nope, my kid is not upset. Not sure where you got that idea.

This whole thread started with a parent saying their kid is upset about this. If kids aren’t upset then who cares? I guess people just felt like complaining!

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Anonymous wrote:While there is something wrong about that culture ("I'm not sharing, so you can't get ideas & compete"), it's not the counselor's call to decide otherwise and share such personal information. They can speak in general to where others apply ED, whatever, but not with names attached. And they sure should help foster a sense of mutual trust and "we're in this together" values. But before you accuse anyone, also consider the possibility that this information was shared among students, and someone simply blamed the counselor.

FWIW, on the substance: I do think all students will be better off if we help them see how everyone can benefit from a culture of information sharing in schools. And we parents can have those conversations, in general, at home to support them in getting to that point. Then again, I also appreciate oversharing turning into some pressure fest. Very difficult all of this, takes a lot of finesse on the part of the counselor. And while I appreciate the idea of a counselor getting to know their students as they approach that point in time over the course of 4 years, maybe that (Walls) model is just no longer the best.

Except that we know this "possibility" to be untrue. My senior at Walls saw the list, with students' names, of where people were applying early, hanging on the counselor's office wall in full view of anyone who walked in.

Did you contact administration?

Nope. As others have mentioned in this thread, seniors desperately need the counselor for their applications right now, so anything that would rock the boat seems unwise.

Perhaps once application season is over, I will.

You think that she wouldn’t continue to be professional and would hold it against the kid and not submit forms? That’s ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your jumping to the conclusion that she'd hold it against the kid.
The thing I was ACTUALLY worried about is that she might get suspended or otherwise bogged down with administrative "fixes" that would take her away from the 150+ kids she needs to help get through application season.
For the record, my kid has filed early applications and so doesn't need her just now. It's not about my kid.

Considering you used the phrase ‘desperately need their counselor’ no I don’t think the conclusion is ridiculous. You are on this site saying your kid is upset but you aren’t willing to say anything? Maybe it was an accident and someone just needs to let the counselor know.

Nope, my kid is not upset. Not sure where you got that idea.

This whole thread started with a parent saying their kid is upset about this. If kids aren’t upset then who cares? I guess people just felt like complaining!

Some kids are upset, and I understand their feeling that way! My kid, however, is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While there is something wrong about that culture ("I'm not sharing, so you can't get ideas & compete"), it's not the counselor's call to decide otherwise and share such personal information. They can speak in general to where others apply ED, whatever, but not with names attached. And they sure should help foster a sense of mutual trust and "we're in this together" values. But before you accuse anyone, also consider the possibility that this information was shared among students, and someone simply blamed the counselor.

FWIW, on the substance: I do think all students will be better off if we help them see how everyone can benefit from a culture of information sharing in schools. And we parents can have those conversations, in general, at home to support them in getting to that point. Then again, I also appreciate oversharing turning into some pressure fest. Very difficult all of this, takes a lot of finesse on the part of the counselor. And while I appreciate the idea of a counselor getting to know their students as they approach that point in time over the course of 4 years, maybe that (Walls) model is just no longer the best.

Except that we know this "possibility" to be untrue. My senior at Walls saw the list, with students' names, of where people were applying early, hanging on the counselor's office wall in full view of anyone who walked in.

Did you contact administration?

Nope. As others have mentioned in this thread, seniors desperately need the counselor for their applications right now, so anything that would rock the boat seems unwise.

Perhaps once application season is over, I will.

You think that she wouldn’t continue to be professional and would hold it against the kid and not submit forms? That’s ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your jumping to the conclusion that she'd hold it against the kid.
The thing I was ACTUALLY worried about is that she might get suspended or otherwise bogged down with administrative "fixes" that would take her away from the 150+ kids she needs to help get through application season.
For the record, my kid has filed early applications and so doesn't need her just now. It's not about my kid.

Considering you used the phrase ‘desperately need their counselor’ no I don’t think the conclusion is ridiculous. You are on this site saying your kid is upset but you aren’t willing to say anything? Maybe it was an accident and someone just needs to let the counselor know.

Nope, my kid is not upset. Not sure where you got that idea.

This whole thread started with a parent saying their kid is upset about this. If kids aren’t upset then who cares? I guess people just felt like complaining!

Nooo. Some kids are upset, some aren’t. People are rightly complaining that the counselor acted inappropriately by sharing information about specific schools and specific kids.