Are less teens identifying as Trans now?

[Anonymous]

It should be “fewer,” not “less.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it may have to do with changes in how parents are advised by therapists and doctors as well as popular media. A few years ago you could ONLY be “affirming” and medical professionals would (falsly) claim your child would commit suicide if you didn’t affirm them fully. Now I think the conventional wisdom has shifted somewhat, with more accurate information for parents. So they parents that may have immediately affirmed hold off. In addition the Cass report and publicized stories of detrans kids probably trickled down to parents to change the narrative.

False.

Go back to gender critical.

What did I just write that was false? Whether or not you think it’s correct, the discourse has shifted. You *used* to just be able to say “false, go away you TERF!” But now I think parents are getting much more nuanced information.

[Anonymous]

Y’all realize how dumb you sound, right? Boys with long hair = “social contagion.” “Damn hippies!” Right? Women and girls wanting equal rights and equal pay = “social contagion.” Black students and parents wanting to desegregate schools = “social contagion.”

That is how ignorant and intolerant you sound. Like the parents of the 50s, 60s, 70s. Watch out! Rock music, SOCIAL CONTAGION!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls are realizing tomboys aren’t actually boys.

This. While I have kids just shy of middle school age I also have a lot of nieces and nephews and friends with kids in middle and high school. This specifically has become a topic of conversation especially among the moms and daughters -- the idea that being a girl or woman who plays sports or doesn't like wearing dresses or makeup does not mean you are trans or a lesbian or really anything at all except that you have a normal and common personal preference.

It's not about intolerance of trans people but more about teaching kids not to be reductive about this stuff. It's basically similar to when we were kids and boys got called gay for being in any way sensitive (or even kind) or liking ANYTHING associated with women and girls -- caregiving and cooking and being tidy etc. And yes girls would get called "d**e" for being into sports or not dressing in very feminine ways. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

Some people really are trans or non-binary but it's possible to be cisgender and still not perform your gender in a traditional way. And also especially when you are young it's not unusual to experiment with gender expression -- I went through a big tomboy phase in high school (which my traditional Catholic mom definitely fretted meant I was gay) and as an adult I do still like menswear a lot but I wear makeup and have very feminine hair. And I'm. straight and cisgendered. It can take time to figure out what feels authentically like you. I think jumping to labels like trans and non-binary during that experimental phase only makes sense for some people while most need to keep things less defined.

Not everyone is you. Just because you were a tomboy doesn’t mean that kids today aren’t trans.

There is a huge cost to outing yourself. You make yourself the target of an entire (hostile) political party. People aren’t just doing it for fun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 12yo girl is what used to be considered a tomboy and still is by some people. I think it’s a harmful term though because we’re still labeling certain things as for boys. Why does having short hair, wearing basketball shorts and enjoying football mean you’re a Tomboy? She’s a girl who likes those things. Anyone can like those things. The word tomboy needs to go away.

It is noticeable though that people often embrace and accept and root for girls who do things labeled as for boys. People are more apt to belittle boys who might want to grow their hair long, play with barbies, enjoy Frozen

Yes because we prize boy things and think that girl things are frivolous and lesser.

It's really the opposite. Take your blinders off.

BS. I live in an area with a lot of military types and parents think my daughter is SO cool because she runs around with their sons doing stereotypical boy things. Can also guarantee that if any of those parents' sons took up an interest in Barbie or Frozen, they would pee their pants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter to you, as a teacher, and fellow human?

Social contagions that lead to mass medical interventions and pharmacological dependence matter. They affect us all.

I am really heartened to read this!! It’s better for the g a y kids, the incredibly tiny amount of kids who are truly T r a n s which is a fraction of what we have seen, and for the straight kids forced to be tolerant of this farce.

“Straight kids forced to be tolerant of this farce”

Poor straight kids! How hard it must have been to not make snide comments and bite their tongues from the clearly IMPORTANT judgements they had in their heads.

Look, I have a dd that went through this stage in 7th grade and is now out of it. I also didn’t suspect it would last. And yes I know some of it is due to social contagion. But please don’t pretend that it had anything at all to do with straight kids.

At my kids’ middle and high school they don’t bully because of 🏳️‍🌈 stuff. They just accept it and move on. Maybe you should, too? It has nothing to do with you.

NP - asking people to verbally affirm something that is false, under penalty of punishment or social ostracism is a problem. If trans people want to believe a delusion, that is one thing, but demanding that others do it too…

NP. And to add, not affirming a falsehood isn't bullying as the PP is suggesting. It is living in a reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it matter to you, as a teacher, and fellow human?

Social contagions that lead to mass medical interventions and pharmacological dependence matter. They affect us all.

I am really heartened to read this!! It’s better for the g a y kids, the incredibly tiny amount of kids who are truly T r a n s which is a fraction of what we have seen, and for the straight kids forced to be tolerant of this farce.

“Straight kids forced to be tolerant of this farce”

Poor straight kids! How hard it must have been to not make snide comments and bite their tongues from the clearly IMPORTANT judgements they had in their heads.

Look, I have a dd that went through this stage in 7th grade and is now out of it. I also didn’t suspect it would last. And yes I know some of it is due to social contagion. But please don’t pretend that it had anything at all to do with straight kids.

At my kids’ middle and high school they don’t bully because of 🏳️‍🌈 stuff. They just accept it and move on. Maybe you should, too? It has nothing to do with you.

NP. People are not allowed to change their race. Rachel Dolezal got into huge trouble for it. Why? Because race, and the social and cultural positives and negatives that go with it, are fundamental and immutable and very powerful. Sex and gender are even more fundamental and powerful. Not toys to play around with.

Sex and gender are social constructs.

Both can be changed with ever-increasing ease.

Gender is a social construct.

Sex is a physical and biological fact. It may not be as binary as some people think (there are intersex people and physical sex occurs along more of a continuum than a lot of people assume due to varying levels of sex hormones as they naturally occur in people's bodies) but it's not a social construct. How we label and interpret it is a social construct but sex itself is not. Specifically because it cannot be changed "with ease." It is possible to change your sex but it requires surgical intervention and hormone therapy.

Whereas someone can change their gender at will -- gender is entirely socially constructed. Though like race the social construction is very deeply embedded in society so while it's a social construct it can still have very real impacts on people's lives.

I’m so sick of this gobbledygook. What does it mean you can change gender “at will?” Hmm, I feel like a boy today, even though I’m female. Ergo I’m a boy!! I’m a boy that likes pink and wearing skirts, poof! I’m a girl!

If you like socially girly things you are a woman. If you like socially boyish things you’re a man. It’s all a social construct, right? But that social construct itself is nothing more than a set of gender stereotypes that we are reinforcing in children when we tell them they can change gender “at will.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls are realizing tomboys aren’t actually boys.

This. While I have kids just shy of middle school age I also have a lot of nieces and nephews and friends with kids in middle and high school. This specifically has become a topic of conversation especially among the moms and daughters -- the idea that being a girl or woman who plays sports or doesn't like wearing dresses or makeup does not mean you are trans or a lesbian or really anything at all except that you have a normal and common personal preference.

It's not about intolerance of trans people but more about teaching kids not to be reductive about this stuff. It's basically similar to when we were kids and boys got called gay for being in any way sensitive (or even kind) or liking ANYTHING associated with women and girls -- caregiving and cooking and being tidy etc. And yes girls would get called "d**e" for being into sports or not dressing in very feminine ways. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

Some people really are trans or non-binary but it's possible to be cisgender and still not perform your gender in a traditional way. And also especially when you are young it's not unusual to experiment with gender expression -- I went through a big tomboy phase in high school (which my traditional Catholic mom definitely fretted meant I was gay) and as an adult I do still like menswear a lot but I wear makeup and have very feminine hair. And I'm. straight and cisgendered. It can take time to figure out what feels authentically like you. I think jumping to labels like trans and non-binary during that experimental phase only makes sense for some people while most need to keep things less defined.

Not everyone is you. Just because you were a tomboy doesn’t mean that kids today aren’t trans.

There is a huge cost to outing yourself. You make yourself the target of an entire (hostile) political party. People aren’t just doing it for fun.

Tweens are on the Internet but they aren't on DCUM or Truth Social. They are not aware of being the target of one (actually two) entire political party. Their social calculus is much younger than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it may have to do with changes in how parents are advised by therapists and doctors as well as popular media. A few years ago you could ONLY be “affirming” and medical professionals would (falsly) claim your child would commit suicide if you didn’t affirm them fully. Now I think the conventional wisdom has shifted somewhat, with more accurate information for parents. So they parents that may have immediately affirmed hold off. In addition the Cass report and publicized stories of detrans kids probably trickled down to parents to change the narrative.

False.

Go back to gender critical.

What did I just write that was false? Whether or not you think it’s correct, the discourse has shifted. You *used* to just be able to say “false, go away you TERF!” But now I think parents are getting much more nuanced information.

We can absolutely still call out the bigots. Nothing has changed.

“More accurate info presented to parents” is BS.

You’re trying to normalize YOUR beliefs but it’s just BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Girls are realizing tomboys aren’t actually boys.

This. While I have kids just shy of middle school age I also have a lot of nieces and nephews and friends with kids in middle and high school. This specifically has become a topic of conversation especially among the moms and daughters -- the idea that being a girl or woman who plays sports or doesn't like wearing dresses or makeup does not mean you are trans or a lesbian or really anything at all except that you have a normal and common personal preference.

It's not about intolerance of trans people but more about teaching kids not to be reductive about this stuff. It's basically similar to when we were kids and boys got called gay for being in any way sensitive (or even kind) or liking ANYTHING associated with women and girls -- caregiving and cooking and being tidy etc. And yes girls would get called "d**e" for being into sports or not dressing in very feminine ways. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

Some people really are trans or non-binary but it's possible to be cisgender and still not perform your gender in a traditional way. And also especially when you are young it's not unusual to experiment with gender expression -- I went through a big tomboy phase in high school (which my traditional Catholic mom definitely fretted meant I was gay) and as an adult I do still like menswear a lot but I wear makeup and have very feminine hair. And I'm. straight and cisgendered. It can take time to figure out what feels authentically like you. I think jumping to labels like trans and non-binary during that experimental phase only makes sense for some people while most need to keep things less defined.

Not everyone is you. Just because you were a tomboy doesn’t mean that kids today aren’t trans.

There is a huge cost to outing yourself. You make yourself the target of an entire (hostile) political party. People aren’t just doing it for fun.

Tweens are on the Internet but they aren't on DCUM or Truth Social. They are not aware of being the target of one (actually two) entire political party. Their social calculus is much younger than that.

They absolutely know that Republicans are coming after them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it may have to do with changes in how parents are advised by therapists and doctors as well as popular media. A few years ago you could ONLY be “affirming” and medical professionals would (falsly) claim your child would commit suicide if you didn’t affirm them fully. Now I think the conventional wisdom has shifted somewhat, with more accurate information for parents. So they parents that may have immediately affirmed hold off. In addition the Cass report and publicized stories of detrans kids probably trickled down to parents to change the narrative.

False.

Go back to gender critical.

What did I just write that was false? Whether or not you think it’s correct, the discourse has shifted. You *used* to just be able to say “false, go away you TERF!” But now I think parents are getting much more nuanced information.

We can absolutely still call out the bigots. Nothing has changed.

“More accurate info presented to parents” is BS.

You’re trying to normalize YOUR beliefs but it’s just BS.

What did I write that has to do with “calling out bigots”? I will say that I think people see through your tactics now. That’s one change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many trans kids are also autistic and are bullied for both. Mine was told he was going to hell and excluded in elementary school. A petition was circulated to replace the Rainbow Club with Bible club. Kids asked him to watch as they signed it. He became suicidal. We had to remove him from his public school. The limits of your compassion and your insistence this is delusional has real impacts on actual students. Your kids are listening and learning from you. A little kindness would go a long way. When a group of people are being scapegoated by politicians and pundits, modeling compassion and inclusion can make a real difference in the lives of vulnerable people around you.

In the trans community, kindness and compassion is a one-way street. They demand it from everyone and give none back.

And I call BS in on your story. Troll harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it may have to do with changes in how parents are advised by therapists and doctors as well as popular media. A few years ago you could ONLY be “affirming” and medical professionals would (falsly) claim your child would commit suicide if you didn’t affirm them fully. Now I think the conventional wisdom has shifted somewhat, with more accurate information for parents. So they parents that may have immediately affirmed hold off. In addition the Cass report and publicized stories of detrans kids probably trickled down to parents to change the narrative.

False.

Go back to gender critical.

What did I just write that was false? Whether or not you think it’s correct, the discourse has shifted. You *used* to just be able to say “false, go away you TERF!” But now I think parents are getting much more nuanced information.

We can absolutely still call out the bigots. Nothing has changed.

“More accurate info presented to parents” is BS.

You’re trying to normalize YOUR beliefs but it’s just BS.

What did I write that has to do with “calling out bigots”? I will say that I think people see through your tactics now. That’s one change.

No, people will still call out your bigotry.

Sorry. Nothing has changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it may have to do with changes in how parents are advised by therapists and doctors as well as popular media. A few years ago you could ONLY be “affirming” and medical professionals would (falsly) claim your child would commit suicide if you didn’t affirm them fully. Now I think the conventional wisdom has shifted somewhat, with more accurate information for parents. So they parents that may have immediately affirmed hold off. In addition the Cass report and publicized stories of detrans kids probably trickled down to parents to change the narrative.

False.

Go back to gender critical.

What did I just write that was false? Whether or not you think it’s correct, the discourse has shifted. You *used* to just be able to say “false, go away you TERF!” But now I think parents are getting much more nuanced information.

We can absolutely still call out the bigots. Nothing has changed.

“More accurate info presented to parents” is BS.

You’re trying to normalize YOUR beliefs but it’s just BS.

What did I write that has to do with “calling out bigots”? I will say that I think people see through your tactics now. That’s one change.

No, people will still call out your bigotry.

Sorry. Nothing has changed.

lol ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it may have to do with changes in how parents are advised by therapists and doctors as well as popular media. A few years ago you could ONLY be “affirming” and medical professionals would (falsly) claim your child would commit suicide if you didn’t affirm them fully. Now I think the conventional wisdom has shifted somewhat, with more accurate information for parents. So they parents that may have immediately affirmed hold off. In addition the Cass report and publicized stories of detrans kids probably trickled down to parents to change the narrative.

False.

Go back to gender critical.

What did I just write that was false? Whether or not you think it’s correct, the discourse has shifted. You *used* to just be able to say “false, go away you TERF!” But now I think parents are getting much more nuanced information.

We can absolutely still call out the bigots. Nothing has changed.

“More accurate info presented to parents” is BS.

You’re trying to normalize YOUR beliefs but it’s just BS.

What did I write that has to do with “calling out bigots”? I will say that I think people see through your tactics now. That’s one change.

No, people will still call out your bigotry.

Sorry. Nothing has changed.

Except that nobody listens or cares about your bleating.