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Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 115 g and I weigh 140 lbs.

Also I think you should check the fat content of some of things you listed. I am not going to eat 4 eggs which is 12 g (but I’ll eat 2 and add egg whites). I’m not going to get my protein from cheese - the protein to calorie ratio is not good. I’m also not making fish or red meat everyday. But I do eat Greek yogurt, cottage cheese, fish 1-2 week, and chicken.

Fat is a vital macronutrient. Plus it is satiating. Fat from animals, dairy, and good sources like olive and avocados isn’t something to fear. Will be never get past the whole 1990s fear of fat??

lol, this is America, don’t worry I eat fat. I could not avoid fat even if I tried. I just don’t need 4 eggs rather than two. I can add a tsp of goat cheese to my eggs. Salad dressing, 2% or 4% dairy, etc. All fat, but no need to load up.

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Anonymous wrote:All those increase my protein posts...to what level?
I mean 1 oz of meat, fish, hard cheese has 7 gm protein. Eggs 12.

How many grams do you think you are supposed to eat? Looking online in the 50 gm ballpark. This should not require powder or dozens of food items...unless orthorexia is at play.

I eat 115 g and I weigh 140 lbs.

If you are middle aged and thus prone to sarcopenia, you should be consuming 1-1.2g of protein per kilogram of weight - so in your case, 75g of protein daily. You are unnecessarily stressing your kidneys and running risk of excess protein converting to glucose in your liver and storing as added fat in your body.

Cool, I’m going to stick with what I eat.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

It's a fad, and not an evidence-based one at that. I doubt real doctors are telling you to eat more protein, OP.

My husband is a doctor - neither he nor his colleagues are on the "more protein, more lifting" bandwagon. Excessive protein is bad for your kidneys. Exercise should be encouraged, but not to extremes, because it can also hurt you - you need to exercise intelligently, vary the type of work, include stretching and not stress joints too much.

The most important problem facing most Americans is obesity. Two thirds of adults here are overweight, making it very difficult for people to see what a healthy figure looks like, since everywhere they go, they see overweight figures. Most people eat way too much processed crap and too many calories.

So no. I understand DCUM, and the US in general, is fixated on pushing back against anorexia. But from a medical perspective, the US is suffering under the financial and life quality burdens of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular issues due to excessive consumption of sugar and fat. Anorexia is not a public health concern, in that very few people actually suffer from a clinical diagnosis.

There's nothing worse than someone who cites to their spouse's job to make a claim. You're not a physician. You don't know what is or is not the current standard of care. You didn't go to med school. You didn't do residency. You aren't licensed. So why don't you shut the hell up.

As though the citing to your spouse isn’t bad enough, we know nothing about PP’s physician husband and how knowledge he is here. I don’t take gynecological advice from my ophthalmologist.

PP you replied to. I'm a research scientist in biology. My husband is specialized in auto-immune diseases. We don't need a PhD in protein intake to tell you that you should eat whole, unprocessed, natural foods, stay away from powders and most supplements and that an intense focus on proteins is just not the way to reach a healthy weight. Unless you were protein-deficient from the start, which usually omnivores are not. If you're vegetarian or vegan, then we can discuss.

The reason I cite our backgrounds is not to imply we are experts in nutrition, but to explain that we can think rationally about medicine, biology and health and aren't victims of diet trends.

Then don’t follow trends. I’m unclear why so many of you feel so strongly about what I put in my body.

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One currently accepted formula is -

grams of daily protein = 0.8 x your weight in kg.

However, the data behind how much protein every individual needs is very sparse, which is why you should not feel obligated to follow this to the letter. Different people will metabolize food differently and have varying nutritional needs.

Some people are more efficient at using the protein than others. I don’t think 40g or 100g are that different when consuming from natural foods. If you are still tired, eat more. If not, eat less and always eat a huge salad a day.

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I guess the part that bugs me about this board is less on the protein and more on the “just eat 1200 calories a day” posters.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

It's a fad, and not an evidence-based one at that. I doubt real doctors are telling you to eat more protein, OP.

My husband is a doctor - neither he nor his colleagues are on the "more protein, more lifting" bandwagon. Excessive protein is bad for your kidneys. Exercise should be encouraged, but not to extremes, because it can also hurt you - you need to exercise intelligently, vary the type of work, include stretching and not stress joints too much.

The most important problem facing most Americans is obesity. Two thirds of adults here are overweight, making it very difficult for people to see what a healthy figure looks like, since everywhere they go, they see overweight figures. Most people eat way too much processed crap and too many calories.

So no. I understand DCUM, and the US in general, is fixated on pushing back against anorexia. But from a medical perspective, the US is suffering under the financial and life quality burdens of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular issues due to excessive consumption of sugar and fat. Anorexia is not a public health concern, in that very few people actually suffer from a clinical diagnosis.

1. My GP physician is indeed telling me to focus on getting more protein in my diet. Do you think I'm lying?

2. A way to do exactly what you said: encourage (effective) exercise and reduce consumption of sugar and fat is precisely to up protein intake.

Nobody is arguing for extremes here- "excessive exercise" or an "all beef and eggs" diet. But it is weird to me that of all the things to cast shade on getting more protein makes your list.

One. Yes I think you’re lying.

It is your belief that there is not a physician out there who would evaluate a person's overall health and their goals and advise them to up their protein intake?

Just want to be clear.

Not the poster you were replying to, but any physician who recommends increasing protein intake is stupid, unless you're vegetarian or vegan, or deliberately tell the physician you're not eating a lot of meat, for some reason best known to yourself.

And no physician worth their salt would ever recommend protein powders except in very specific cases of malnutrition.

Most physicians don’t know jack about nutrition, and plenty of them are as fat as the rest of America. But registered dieticians do understand nutrition, and encourage increased protein intake for many people.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

It's a fad, and not an evidence-based one at that. I doubt real doctors are telling you to eat more protein, OP.

My husband is a doctor - neither he nor his colleagues are on the "more protein, more lifting" bandwagon. Excessive protein is bad for your kidneys. Exercise should be encouraged, but not to extremes, because it can also hurt you - you need to exercise intelligently, vary the type of work, include stretching and not stress joints too much.

The most important problem facing most Americans is obesity. Two thirds of adults here are overweight, making it very difficult for people to see what a healthy figure looks like, since everywhere they go, they see overweight figures. Most people eat way too much processed crap and too many calories.

So no. I understand DCUM, and the US in general, is fixated on pushing back against anorexia. But from a medical perspective, the US is suffering under the financial and life quality burdens of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular issues due to excessive consumption of sugar and fat. Anorexia is not a public health concern, in that very few people actually suffer from a clinical diagnosis.

1. My GP physician is indeed telling me to focus on getting more protein in my diet. Do you think I'm lying?

2. A way to do exactly what you said: encourage (effective) exercise and reduce consumption of sugar and fat is precisely to up protein intake.

Nobody is arguing for extremes here- "excessive exercise" or an "all beef and eggs" diet. But it is weird to me that of all the things to cast shade on getting more protein makes your list.

One. Yes I think you’re lying.

It is your belief that there is not a physician out there who would evaluate a person's overall health and their goals and advise them to up their protein intake?

Just want to be clear.

Not the poster you were replying to, but any physician who recommends increasing protein intake is stupid, unless you're vegetarian or vegan, or deliberately tell the physician you're not eating a lot of meat, for some reason best known to yourself.

And no physician worth their salt would ever recommend protein powders except in very specific cases of malnutrition.

Most physicians don’t know jack about nutrition, and plenty of them are as fat as the rest of America. But registered dieticians do understand nutrition, and encourage increased protein intake for many people.

I agree that most physicians don’t know anything about nutrition or wellness in general. I’m not sure I would be so taken in by an RD.

I think we all need to find what works for us. And nobody is developing kidney disease due to increased protein intake unless it’s at extreme levels. But then again, if you manage to run afoul of that your brain is probably already so smooth Darwin was gunning for you anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

Because it works, it's easy and healthy and you get results fast !

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People count grams of protein and such? That’s weird. I just cook and eat regular meals. I don’t add up how many pieces of beef were in my bowl of stew.

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Anonymous wrote:People count grams of protein and such? That’s weird. I just cook and eat regular meals. I don’t add up how many pieces of beef were in my bowl of stew.

That’s because you are a natural genius, gifted beyond the rest of the mere mortals, with powers and abilities they can only dream of while they laboriously resort to “math” and other trivial subjects just to get the results that you get just from your omnipotence.

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Anonymous wrote:People count grams of protein and such? That’s weird. I just cook and eat regular meals. I don’t add up how many pieces of beef were in my bowl of stew.

So you don’t know how much of anything you put into your body? And you are here to tell us that’s a good approach? Better than actually knowing?

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Americans are overweight and unhealthy let’s face facts. Our diet is disgusting and what we feed our kids is downright criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of Americans would not suffer if they ate half as much protein as the currently consume. No one that can post on DCUM is in immediate danger of starvation.

Starvation and disordered eating are not the same thing. Having a messed up relationship with food can happen at ANY size and health point. I know plenty of "healthy" people who spend their days obsessively tracking their food intake, never able to relax. Or if they do relax, they feel crushing guilt and anxiety. That IS NOT NORMAL EATING.

Also not normal is stuffing your face all day because it feels good or using it as a coping mechanism.

Well I actually think that’s pretty normal, but it’s not healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:People count grams of protein and such? That’s weird. I just cook and eat regular meals. I don’t add up how many pieces of beef were in my bowl of stew.

So you don’t know how much of anything you put into your body? And you are here to tell us that’s a good approach? Better than actually knowing?

NP. That’s right. Just eat healthy, balanced meals and stop counting anything, unless you have diabetes. The fact that you don’t know that your eating is likely disordered is problematic. It’s become so normal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does every dietician/doctor tell me I need more protein then? Why are all
My girlfriends in their 40s/50s obsessed with protein, macros and lifting??!

It's a fad, and not an evidence-based one at that. I doubt real doctors are telling you to eat more protein, OP.

My husband is a doctor - neither he nor his colleagues are on the "more protein, more lifting" bandwagon. Excessive protein is bad for your kidneys. Exercise should be encouraged, but not to extremes, because it can also hurt you - you need to exercise intelligently, vary the type of work, include stretching and not stress joints too much.

The most important problem facing most Americans is obesity. Two thirds of adults here are overweight, making it very difficult for people to see what a healthy figure looks like, since everywhere they go, they see overweight figures. Most people eat way too much processed crap and too many calories.

So no. I understand DCUM, and the US in general, is fixated on pushing back against anorexia. But from a medical perspective, the US is suffering under the financial and life quality burdens of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular issues due to excessive consumption of sugar and fat. Anorexia is not a public health concern, in that very few people actually suffer from a clinical diagnosis.

There's nothing worse than someone who cites to their spouse's job to make a claim. You're not a physician. You don't know what is or is not the current standard of care. You didn't go to med school. You didn't do residency. You aren't licensed. So why don't you shut the hell up.

As though the citing to your spouse isn’t bad enough, we know nothing about PP’s physician husband and how knowledge he is here. I don’t take gynecological advice from my ophthalmologist.

PP you replied to. I'm a research scientist in biology. My husband is specialized in auto-immune diseases. We don't need a PhD in protein intake to tell you that you should eat whole, unprocessed, natural foods, stay away from powders and most supplements and that an intense focus on proteins is just not the way to reach a healthy weight. Unless you were protein-deficient from the start, which usually omnivores are not. If you're vegetarian or vegan, then we can discuss.

The reason I cite our backgrounds is not to imply we are experts in nutrition, but to explain that we can think rationally about medicine, biology and health and aren't victims of diet trends.

You didn't cite your background before. You cited your husband's and then claimed that made YOU an authority on nutrition. Now it turns out that neither of you are an authority on nutrition. Congrats on your advanced degrees, but they are irrelevant to the discussion.