Grade Inflation Sends AP Test Scores Soaring

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

You linked to WSJ letters to the editor and a study on test scores for 13 year olds.

You literally just embarrassed yourself.

Why is this so hard people?

We don’t work for you. My God. Now I see where students’ entitlement comes from.

Of course you don’t…you would be fired if you had to work in the real world.

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

You linked to WSJ letters to the editor and a study on test scores for 13 year olds.

You literally just embarrassed yourself.

Why is this so hard people?

We don’t work for you. My God. Now I see where students’ entitlement comes from.

This is exactly the type of parent who believes her children are brilliant. So if they get lower grade than their brilliance deserves, it is the teacher's fault or the professors fault. She's insulted the field of higher education above, so clearly no respect for learning or academia. Only sends her kids to college to get the A's they are entitled to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

You linked to WSJ letters to the editor and a study on test scores for 13 year olds.

You literally just embarrassed yourself.

Why is this so hard people?

We don’t work for you. My God. Now I see where students’ entitlement comes from.

Of course you don’t…you would be fired if you had to work in the real world.

Why are you in the college forum? If you think academia is BS, why do you even want to send your kids to college?

[Anonymous]

Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

I agree, you are absolutely right. Quite possible this is just variation. There's not enough info yet to tell.

But for the PP who is a grade-inflation denier, here are some more facts!

https://ies.ed.gov/director/remarks/03-23-2022.asp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

I agree, you are absolutely right. Quite possible this is just variation. There's not enough info yet to tell.

But for the PP who is a grade-inflation denier, here are some more facts!

https://ies.ed.gov/director/remarks/03-23-2022.asp

Leave your petty arguments out of this.

AP scores don’t support any grade inflation arguments which is the point of the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

I agree, you are absolutely right. Quite possible this is just variation. There's not enough info yet to tell.

But for the PP who is a grade-inflation denier, here are some more facts!

https://ies.ed.gov/director/remarks/03-23-2022.asp

Leave your petty arguments out of this.

AP scores don’t support any grade inflation arguments which is the point of the thread.

Grades are always relevant to AP scores. The college board says they recalibrate score distributions to match current typical college grading practices. When the score distributions have drastically changed, most likely the college board has done this to match the typical distributions of grades in college, which have changed over time. 5's are A or A+. 4's are A- to B. If what it takes to earn A's in college changes, more students will get 5s on AP exams.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why college is so hard to get into and why students are so unprepared once they get there. They all get As and top scores. It means nothing.

I simply disagree with this. My kids worked hard and earned their AP scores; they are also doing very well in college — 100% prepared (more so than I ever was). It’s like kids can’t ever win today. If they earn straight A’s, everyone screams “grade inflation” without having any knowledge of how hard they worked. If a kid gets a 5 on an AP test, it’s grade inflation again. If they earn A’s in college, it’s also grade inflation. But I know my kids and they are hard-working and better prepared than people of my generation. The conversations I have with my kids are more well-informed, and they are excellent writers and critical thinkers. I just don’t get all this talk about kids being stupid, because they are not.

How is this grade inflation? The 5 AP test score confirms the "A" grade. A student getting an "A" but scoring a 3 or lower is another thing.

According to DCUM, the AP scores themselves are inflated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why college is so hard to get into and why students are so unprepared once they get there. They all get As and top scores. It means nothing.

I simply disagree with this. My kids worked hard and earned their AP scores; they are also doing very well in college — 100% prepared (more so than I ever was). It’s like kids can’t ever win today. If they earn straight A’s, everyone screams “grade inflation” without having any knowledge of how hard they worked. If a kid gets a 5 on an AP test, it’s grade inflation again. If they earn A’s in college, it’s also grade inflation. But I know my kids and they are hard-working and better prepared than people of my generation. The conversations I have with my kids are more well-informed, and they are excellent writers and critical thinkers. I just don’t get all this talk about kids being stupid, because they are not.

How is this grade inflation? The 5 AP test score confirms the "A" grade. A student getting an "A" but scoring a 3 or lower is another thing.

According to DCUM, the AP scores themselves are inflated.

The differences can be better visualized here: https://www.highereddatastories.com/2024/07/changes-in-ap-scores-2022-to-2024.html

From the author:
"The data are below, in three views: And before I allow you to leap to conclusions, there are a lot of things that might explain why scores in some exams are swinging so wildly in a year, but College Board's refusal to publish this data in an easily, machine-readable format makes that insight really hard to get at (and they won't do it themselves, as they never respond publicly to criticism like this.)"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

I agree, you are absolutely right. Quite possible this is just variation. There's not enough info yet to tell.

But for the PP who is a grade-inflation denier, here are some more facts!

https://ies.ed.gov/director/remarks/03-23-2022.asp

Leave your petty arguments out of this.

AP scores don’t support any grade inflation arguments which is the point of the thread.

Grades are always relevant to AP scores. The college board says they recalibrate score distributions to match current typical college grading practices. When the score distributions have drastically changed, most likely the college board has done this to match the typical distributions of grades in college, which have changed over time. 5's are A or A+. 4's are A- to B. If what it takes to earn A's in college changes, more students will get 5s on AP exams.

Are you confusing HS grades and College grades here? you don't take AP exams in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

I agree, you are absolutely right. Quite possible this is just variation. There's not enough info yet to tell.

But for the PP who is a grade-inflation denier, here are some more facts!

https://ies.ed.gov/director/remarks/03-23-2022.asp

Leave your petty arguments out of this.

AP scores don’t support any grade inflation arguments which is the point of the thread.

Grades are always relevant to AP scores. The college board says they recalibrate score distributions to match current typical college grading practices. When the score distributions have drastically changed, most likely the college board has done this to match the typical distributions of grades in college, which have changed over time. 5's are A or A+. 4's are A- to B. If what it takes to earn A's in college changes, more students will get 5s on AP exams.

Are you confusing HS grades and College grades here? you don't take AP exams in college.

Nope. The college board explains that they research college standards of grading and recalibrate the test and scoring every 10 years or so to keep the ap score relevant to current college standards. So if standards change on average at the college level for grades in certain courses, the AP test and/or scoring changes, and the AP distribution may then look different for the high school kids taking the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scores are not soaring.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I think this is the same info that was graphed in the OPs link. At least when I checked the scores for AP Govt and a few others they matched the graphs. I think it's too early to tell if AP scores are soaring permanently, but the trends are strange for this year.

They are definitely not "soaring"

AP exam scores vary.
When AP Chinese was introduced something like 76% were getting a 5, mainly because they were native Chinese speakers. Now its closer to 50% both the exams have adjusted as well as the demographic of the students.

I agree, you are absolutely right. Quite possible this is just variation. There's not enough info yet to tell.

But for the PP who is a grade-inflation denier, here are some more facts!

https://ies.ed.gov/director/remarks/03-23-2022.asp

Leave your petty arguments out of this.

AP scores don’t support any grade inflation arguments which is the point of the thread.

Grades are always relevant to AP scores. The college board says they recalibrate score distributions to match current typical college grading practices. When the score distributions have drastically changed, most likely the college board has done this to match the typical distributions of grades in college, which have changed over time. 5's are A or A+. 4's are A- to B. If what it takes to earn A's in college changes, more students will get 5s on AP exams.

Are you confusing HS grades and College grades here? you don't take AP exams in college.

Nope. The college board explains that they research college standards of grading and recalibrate the test and scoring every 10 years or so to keep the ap score relevant to current college standards. So if standards change on average at the college level for grades in certain courses, the AP test and/or scoring changes, and the AP distribution may then look different for the high school kids taking the test.

Ok that makes sense. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Inflated AP scores. Will colleges stop giving credits? Maybe only to 5s?

Inflated school grades/GPA, AP scores .. only good measure remaining might be SAT/ACT scores.

https://www.theeditors.com/p/grade-inflation-sends-ap-test-scores

Yeah! Let's base all college admissions on essays and fake ECs!