Grade Inflation Sends AP Test Scores Soaring

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Anonymous wrote:^^ p.s. I suspect most posters here have kids in the best public or private schools in the country, so maybe this doesn't apply to your kid, but I'm still surprised people aren't aware there is an overall problem for college preparedness.

Show me the stats on college performance that prove this.

You may be correct.

At the college level, all I have are my personal experiences as a professor, as well as the impressions of my colleagues, which I know is not the kind of "proof" you are looking for. Our teaching and grading scales have had to change a bit too in order to accommodate. The problem is that the national/international level standardized tests are only given to children in k-12. At the college level there is no such thing as the PISA or MCAP, etc. as an independent benchmark of high-level performance. But if 11th and 12th graders are performing poorly, and standardized reading and math scores are at their lowest levels in decades, it seems pretty safe to assume that these students are not miraculously making up that deficiency in the summer before they start college.

Cmon professor…there must be stats on flunk rates / dropout rates (though that could be financial vs failing) or other academic studies you can provide to us.

Fewer HS kids are attending college vs 10 years ago (a lot fewer…over 1MM) so those poorly performing 11th and 12th may not attend college at all. That’s a different problem.

However, we aren’t talking about kids that never go to college.

Dropout rates can't tell the whole story since colleges are also very hard pressed to keep the dropout rates low. Thankfully, there is much more effort to keep struggling students onboard these days than in the olden days.

I'm hardly saying the kids are dumb. The grad students are exceptional, and the undergrad students are also extremely impressive. But the bottom 5-10% or so are increasingly struggling to even pass my courses. However, more is definitely being done by the university to keep these students on board, which I think is the right thing to do. Colleagues at other universities report more problems with engagement and performance even from the mid tiers.

If you're really interested, you can also look up the trends. It's not just the low performing range where you see drops in scores. Middle and high range students scores have dropped as well, especially in math. College bound kids are affected, even though they haven't shown as sharp a drop as the lowest performers. I'm guessing DCUM-landia is minimally affected, but it doesn't mean the trends don't exist.

I could look up the data…but I’m not the one claiming kids are under prepared.

You work in Academia…yet somehow you can’t reference any studies to support your position? That doesn’t make much sense to me. You also have access to academic databases that I don’t have…so seems like you aren’t actually interested in showing much proof.

Haven’t the bottom 5%-10% of a class always struggled? Even back in the early 90s, 5-10% of kids in any of my classes did poorly (most drop the class vs having a D or F get printed…really the worst is a C at that point).

Unless you teach Precalc for the remedial college kids, you still aren’t supporting your conclusions very well.

You seem determined to believe that there is no problem, perhaps because your kids attend school in DCUM-landia which is minimally affected since 9/10 kids are overachievers. How do you explain the standardized test score drops at the mid and upper tiers, and how do could they not obviously indicate that students are not as prepared as a whole? Also, I am not an educational researcher, nor have I ever claimed to. So I do not feel like spending hours looking for more data when you haven't even addressed the data I've already presented.

You haven’t presented any data…you even posted you can’t provide any “proof”. I presented data that there are 1MM fewer kids in college bs 10 years ago…so the kids with poor scores may not attend college at all. Also, even with TO, top schools have 75%+ of admitted students submitting scores and the scores are off the charts.

I am not saying there isn’t a problem…just find it laughable that an academic thinks opinions, anecdotes and conjecture get an A grade.

Would it really take you hours to find this study (maybe it doesn’t exist)?

NAEP data was already presented. And yes, studies at the college level don't exist because widely distributed standardized tests are not administered in college, as I already stated. Perhaps you can get funding to do the study, though.

Hmmm….you admitted you haven’t researched it at all, but now the studies don’t exist…which BTW isn’t about having college kids take standardized tests.

So which is it?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ p.s. I suspect most posters here have kids in the best public or private schools in the country, so maybe this doesn't apply to your kid, but I'm still surprised people aren't aware there is an overall problem for college preparedness.

Show me the stats on college performance that prove this.

You may be correct.

At the college level, all I have are my personal experiences as a professor, as well as the impressions of my colleagues, which I know is not the kind of "proof" you are looking for. Our teaching and grading scales have had to change a bit too in order to accommodate. The problem is that the national/international level standardized tests are only given to children in k-12. At the college level there is no such thing as the PISA or MCAP, etc. as an independent benchmark of high-level performance. But if 11th and 12th graders are performing poorly, and standardized reading and math scores are at their lowest levels in decades, it seems pretty safe to assume that these students are not miraculously making up that deficiency in the summer before they start college.

Cmon professor…there must be stats on flunk rates / dropout rates (though that could be financial vs failing) or other academic studies you can provide to us.

Fewer HS kids are attending college vs 10 years ago (a lot fewer…over 1MM) so those poorly performing 11th and 12th may not attend college at all. That’s a different problem.

However, we aren’t talking about kids that never go to college.

Dropout rates can't tell the whole story since colleges are also very hard pressed to keep the dropout rates low. Thankfully, there is much more effort to keep struggling students onboard these days than in the olden days.

I'm hardly saying the kids are dumb. The grad students are exceptional, and the undergrad students are also extremely impressive. But the bottom 5-10% or so are increasingly struggling to even pass my courses. However, more is definitely being done by the university to keep these students on board, which I think is the right thing to do. Colleagues at other universities report more problems with engagement and performance even from the mid tiers.

If you're really interested, you can also look up the trends. It's not just the low performing range where you see drops in scores. Middle and high range students scores have dropped as well, especially in math. College bound kids are affected, even though they haven't shown as sharp a drop as the lowest performers. I'm guessing DCUM-landia is minimally affected, but it doesn't mean the trends don't exist.

I could look up the data…but I’m not the one claiming kids are under prepared.

You work in Academia…yet somehow you can’t reference any studies to support your position? That doesn’t make much sense to me. You also have access to academic databases that I don’t have…so seems like you aren’t actually interested in showing much proof.

Haven’t the bottom 5%-10% of a class always struggled? Even back in the early 90s, 5-10% of kids in any of my classes did poorly (most drop the class vs having a D or F get printed…really the worst is a C at that point).

Unless you teach Precalc for the remedial college kids, you still aren’t supporting your conclusions very well.

You seem determined to believe that there is no problem, perhaps because your kids attend school in DCUM-landia which is minimally affected since 9/10 kids are overachievers. How do you explain the standardized test score drops at the mid and upper tiers, and how do could they not obviously indicate that students are not as prepared as a whole? Also, I am not an educational researcher, nor have I ever claimed to. So I do not feel like spending hours looking for more data when you haven't even addressed the data I've already presented.

You haven’t presented any data…you even posted you can’t provide any “proof”. I presented data that there are 1MM fewer kids in college bs 10 years ago…so the kids with poor scores may not attend college at all. Also, even with TO, top schools have 75%+ of admitted students submitting scores and the scores are off the charts.

I am not saying there isn’t a problem…just find it laughable that an academic thinks opinions, anecdotes and conjecture get an A grade.

Would it really take you hours to find this study (maybe it doesn’t exist)?

NAEP data was already presented. And yes, studies at the college level don't exist because widely distributed standardized tests are not administered in college, as I already stated. Perhaps you can get funding to do the study, though.

Hmmm….you admitted you haven’t researched it at all, but now the studies don’t exist…which BTW isn’t about having college kids take standardized tests.

So which is it?

I think you are confused so I will try one more time. NAEP, PISA and other standardized data for kids k-12 do exist. The govt keeps track of this stuff, hence the data is easily available. Performance has dropped and is lowest it has been in decades. This drop affects the lowest performers the most, but also the top and mid tiers, so including those who are college bound. So yes, kids as a whole are less prepared for college.

You want me to point to college drop out rates instead. I don' think dropout-rate data means as much as you think, because colleges are prioritizing holding onto their students moreso than before. So just because you don't see increased college drop-out rates does not mean that college students are performing just as well they were years before. More objective data, like from NAEP, PISA are not available at the college level.

This concludes my TED talk. Have a wonderful day in your world in which there are no educational woes and students are just as spiffy as they ever were.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ p.s. I suspect most posters here have kids in the best public or private schools in the country, so maybe this doesn't apply to your kid, but I'm still surprised people aren't aware there is an overall problem for college preparedness.

Show me the stats on college performance that prove this.

You may be correct.

At the college level, all I have are my personal experiences as a professor, as well as the impressions of my colleagues, which I know is not the kind of "proof" you are looking for. Our teaching and grading scales have had to change a bit too in order to accommodate. The problem is that the national/international level standardized tests are only given to children in k-12. At the college level there is no such thing as the PISA or MCAP, etc. as an independent benchmark of high-level performance. But if 11th and 12th graders are performing poorly, and standardized reading and math scores are at their lowest levels in decades, it seems pretty safe to assume that these students are not miraculously making up that deficiency in the summer before they start college.

Cmon professor…there must be stats on flunk rates / dropout rates (though that could be financial vs failing) or other academic studies you can provide to us.

Fewer HS kids are attending college vs 10 years ago (a lot fewer…over 1MM) so those poorly performing 11th and 12th may not attend college at all. That’s a different problem.

However, we aren’t talking about kids that never go to college.

Dropout rates can't tell the whole story since colleges are also very hard pressed to keep the dropout rates low. Thankfully, there is much more effort to keep struggling students onboard these days than in the olden days.

I'm hardly saying the kids are dumb. The grad students are exceptional, and the undergrad students are also extremely impressive. But the bottom 5-10% or so are increasingly struggling to even pass my courses. However, more is definitely being done by the university to keep these students on board, which I think is the right thing to do. Colleagues at other universities report more problems with engagement and performance even from the mid tiers.

If you're really interested, you can also look up the trends. It's not just the low performing range where you see drops in scores. Middle and high range students scores have dropped as well, especially in math. College bound kids are affected, even though they haven't shown as sharp a drop as the lowest performers. I'm guessing DCUM-landia is minimally affected, but it doesn't mean the trends don't exist.

I could look up the data…but I’m not the one claiming kids are under prepared.

You work in Academia…yet somehow you can’t reference any studies to support your position? That doesn’t make much sense to me. You also have access to academic databases that I don’t have…so seems like you aren’t actually interested in showing much proof.

Haven’t the bottom 5%-10% of a class always struggled? Even back in the early 90s, 5-10% of kids in any of my classes did poorly (most drop the class vs having a D or F get printed…really the worst is a C at that point).

Unless you teach Precalc for the remedial college kids, you still aren’t supporting your conclusions very well.

You seem determined to believe that there is no problem, perhaps because your kids attend school in DCUM-landia which is minimally affected since 9/10 kids are overachievers. How do you explain the standardized test score drops at the mid and upper tiers, and how do could they not obviously indicate that students are not as prepared as a whole? Also, I am not an educational researcher, nor have I ever claimed to. So I do not feel like spending hours looking for more data when you haven't even addressed the data I've already presented.

You haven’t presented any data…you even posted you can’t provide any “proof”. I presented data that there are 1MM fewer kids in college bs 10 years ago…so the kids with poor scores may not attend college at all. Also, even with TO, top schools have 75%+ of admitted students submitting scores and the scores are off the charts.

I am not saying there isn’t a problem…just find it laughable that an academic thinks opinions, anecdotes and conjecture get an A grade.

Would it really take you hours to find this study (maybe it doesn’t exist)?

NAEP data was already presented. And yes, studies at the college level don't exist because widely distributed standardized tests are not administered in college, as I already stated. Perhaps you can get funding to do the study, though.

Hmmm….you admitted you haven’t researched it at all, but now the studies don’t exist…which BTW isn’t about having college kids take standardized tests.

So which is it?

I think you are confused so I will try one more time. NAEP, PISA and other standardized data for kids k-12 do exist. The govt keeps track of this stuff, hence the data is easily available. Performance has dropped and is lowest it has been in decades. This drop affects the lowest performers the most, but also the top and mid tiers, so including those who are college bound. So yes, kids as a whole are less prepared for college.

You want me to point to college drop out rates instead. I don' think dropout-rate data means as much as you think, because colleges are prioritizing holding onto their students moreso than before. So just because you don't see increased college drop-out rates does not mean that college students are performing just as well they were years before. More objective data, like from NAEP, PISA are not available at the college level.

This concludes my TED talk. Have a wonderful day in your world in which there are no educational woes and students are just as spiffy as they ever were.

Your TED talk. You can’t support college level information so now you sulk like a little baby.

No wonder you are hiding in academia.

[Anonymous]

Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why college is so hard to get into and why students are so unprepared once they get there. They all get As and top scores. It means nothing.

I simply disagree with this. My kids worked hard and earned their AP scores; they are also doing very well in college — 100% prepared (more so than I ever was). It’s like kids can’t ever win today. If they earn straight A’s, everyone screams “grade inflation” without having any knowledge of how hard they worked. If a kid gets a 5 on an AP test, it’s grade inflation again. If they earn A’s in college, it’s also grade inflation. But I know my kids and they are hard-working and better prepared than people of my generation. The conversations I have with my kids are more well-informed, and they are excellent writers and critical thinkers. I just don’t get all this talk about kids being stupid, because they are not.

How is this grade inflation? The 5 AP test score confirms the "A" grade. A student getting an "A" but scoring a 3 or lower is another thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

You linked to WSJ letters to the editor and a study on test scores for 13 year olds.

You literally just embarrassed yourself.

Why is this so hard people?

[Anonymous]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickhess/2023/09/05/grade-inflation-is-not-a-victimless-crime/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/opinion/grade-inflation-high-school.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

You linked to WSJ letters to the editor and a study on test scores for 13 year olds.

You literally just embarrassed yourself.

Why is this so hard people?

I think you're drunk. This is amazing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another professor here, and I echo the sentiments of the others. You can look up any college and find “Student Success” offices, entire departments dedicated to providing academic and social support far beyond anything that was available 10 years ago. Students are coming to college less prepared than ever. It’s fine if you choose not to believe that grade and score inflation exist and are problematic, but your denial doesn’t change the facts.

I don’t deny facts…I just don’t see any here. Post links to the “facts” that shows the size of said office 10 years ago and the size now, or any research that proves you out.

I think you are correct, but you and other professors are receiving a failing grade with your empirical support.

With due respect, I have no interest in doing your research for you. The fact of students’ under-preparedness is extremely well-known within colleges and among parents who will allow themselves to see reality. Grade inflation is also a fact. Ask your kids’ HS what the average GPA is.

Meaning…you are a lazy POS. I am not the one making unsupported claims…why is it so hard for any of you supposed “professors” to post a link to anything supporting your opinions?

This is getting kind of ridiculous. I guess I should also research how the quality of professors is declining.

Have fun with that. I don’t engage with people who name-call, so I’m done here. Let us know what your research yields. To anyone in academia, the fact of student decline is about as basic as the fact that the earth is round. But please, share your results once you discover them.

Thanks for literally nothing. You can’t link to anything…how pathetic is that?

Are professors all this useless?

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. I think the previous poster figures they shouldn't have to offer that the earth is not flat, but here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grade-inflation-makes-a-the-new-c-participation-trophy-quiet-quitting-hiring-2c480b80

https://edsource.org/updates/national-test-scores-plummet-with-no-sign-of-recovery

You linked to WSJ letters to the editor and a study on test scores for 13 year olds.

You literally just embarrassed yourself.

Why is this so hard people?

We don’t work for you. My God. Now I see where students’ entitlement comes from.