ASR at Rutherford

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at Google maps, Tuckahoe, Overlee and Chesterbrook all have parking lots larger than orange Hunt that could be used for team areas. They also all have plenty of side streets which are what is generally used for parking? Looks to me like those red x’s are green check’s.

Orange Hunt has a lot of adjacent green space. You all are so desperate to punish these D1 teams that you want your kids to stand on asphalt and park god knows how far away and then walk through busy streets through traffic to get to the pool. Come up with better incentives and appropriate support for host pools that have the right setup and put measures in place to curb the bad behavior of some of the D1 spectator parents. The answer is not to cram the meets into their pools and make everything unpleasant and unsafe.

Easy: Shuttle service. Use the money forked out for luxury busses and have a shuttle service from a school or church.

I think participating in all of these big event meets that are super important to some families need to start just costing some amount of money. Clearly these folks will pay. Just make it all pay to play with a means-tested scholarship program for the few kids' parents who wouldn't pony up the money. Use the money to pay people to manage/handle a lot of this and to make it worth it to pools to hold these events. Running meets of this scale off the backs of volunteers is not sustainable and really not necessary either. People would complain for a couple of years about paying and about the good old days when they didn't pay and then it would all be forgotten and the new normal.

100% agree, and I’m from a D1 team. I would contribute to a fund for those with less means as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.

I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.

Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.

And some like my 15 year DD hit the bottom of the pool and scraped her knee up during our dual meet She’s also a winter club swimmer.

No, she didn’t swim best times in any of her events. You’re also right that my pool did not step up. But 2.5 ft for diving is just not safe.

[Anonymous]

“Parents who wouldn’t pony up the money”? You do mean those who can’t pay even more, right?

NVSL should evaluate pools, starting with D1 and D2 over the off-seaon, and determine which are appropriate to host. The teams that can host should host AS/ASR. Start with the winner of D1 the previous year and work down the list until every pool has hosted. Pools that host don’t pay the following season. Pools that refuse to host don’t get spots at all-stars.

Make people do their fair share instead of whining when someone else steps up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.

I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.

Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.

And some like my 15 year DD hit the bottom of the pool and scraped her knee up during our dual meet She’s also a winter club swimmer.

No, she didn’t swim best times in any of her events. You’re also right that my pool did not step up. But 2.5 ft for diving is just not safe.

It’s not going to be 2.5 ft. It’s going to be filled to deck level like the St. James, easily adding at least another half foot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.

I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.

Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.

And some like my 15 year DD hit the bottom of the pool and scraped her knee up during our dual meet She’s also a winter club swimmer.

No, she didn’t swim best times in any of her events. You’re also right that my pool did not step up. But 2.5 ft for diving is just not safe.

It’s not going to be 2.5 ft. It’s going to be filled to deck level like the St. James, easily adding at least another half foot.

Whoop de doo - it’s going to be 3ft. It’s still not safe. Full stop.

NVSL does not have rules for pool depth clearly (they should), but USA swimming does:

https://www.gomotionapp.com/lscis/UserFiles/Image/QuickUpload/pool-dimensions-and-reccomendations-2-_028887.pdf
103.2 WATER DEPTH —
.1 /NC/ 2 meters (6 feet 7 inches) deep throughout the course.
.2. /M/ Teaching Racing Starts – Minimum water depth for teaching racing starts in any setting from any height starting blocks or
the deck shall be 5 feet (1.53 meters) measured for a distance of 3 feet 31/2 inches (1.0 meter) to 16 feet 5 inches (5.0 meters) from the
end wall..3 /M//
Racing Starts – Minimum water depth for racing starts during practice and competition shall be measured for a distance 3' 31/2" (1.0
meter) to 16'5" (5.0 meters) from the end wall.
Starting requirements and height of starting block shall be:
A In pools with water depth less than 4' (1.22 meter) at the starting end, the swimmer must start from within the water; B In pools with
water depth 4' (1.22 meter) or more at the starting end, starting platforms shall meet the height requirements of 103.12.1.
Note: Local, state and municipal statutes, ordinances, rules and regulations, may have depth limitations in conflict with this section.
The LSC and all Member Clubs should check for this at all times

Since no other pools step up, maybe all stars needs to have swimmers start in the water?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.

I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.

Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.

Said it better than me. Yes x10000

[Anonymous]

For those of you complaining - name your pool and give us the reason why you’re not hosting. Otherwise shut the F* up.

[Anonymous]

Nvsl should just tell the pool to host. Our issue is our hoa will never approve it. Div2

[Anonymous]

NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.

[Anonymous]

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NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.

If no one is willing to host (and pool should be safe and make sense - like evening lighting and no green taped lines), then NVSL either moves event to a rented facility (eg George Mason/St James) and charge a fee to cover costs or cancels the event and awards all stars based on seed times. Maybe someone steps up the next year?

I appreciate Rutherford and Pinecrest stepping up truly. Rutherford did an outstanding job. However NVSL shouldn’t be ignoring safety issues with facilities because they are the only ones who were willing to host. NVSL is volunteers and again appreciate their efforts, but they can’t ignore safety issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.

If no one is willing to host (and pool should be safe and make sense - like evening lighting and no green taped lines), then NVSL either moves event to a rented facility (eg George Mason/St James) and charge a fee to cover costs or cancels the event and awards all stars based on seed times. Maybe someone steps up the next year?

I appreciate Rutherford and Pinecrest stepping up truly. Rutherford did an outstanding job. However NVSL shouldn’t be ignoring safety issues with facilities because they are the only ones who were willing to host. NVSL is volunteers and again appreciate their efforts, but they can’t ignore safety issues.

Which is your pool?

Agree if no one is willing to host, the NVSL volunteers who run the league and put up with all the nonsense from parents and pools unwilling to do their share should cancel. That would focus minds for the following year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.

If no one is willing to host (and pool should be safe and make sense - like evening lighting and no green taped lines), then NVSL either moves event to a rented facility (eg George Mason/St James) and charge a fee to cover costs or cancels the event and awards all stars based on seed times. Maybe someone steps up the next year?

I appreciate Rutherford and Pinecrest stepping up truly. Rutherford did an outstanding job. However NVSL shouldn’t be ignoring safety issues with facilities because they are the only ones who were willing to host. NVSL is volunteers and again appreciate their efforts, but they can’t ignore safety issues.

Which is your pool?

Agree if no one is willing to host, the NVSL volunteers who run the league and put up with all the nonsense from parents and pools unwilling to do their share should cancel. That would focus minds for the following year.

Is this the flex you think it is? 17,000 kids in NVSL and how many are at all stars or all star relays? Most people do not give a crap. Cancel away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.

If no one is willing to host (and pool should be safe and make sense - like evening lighting and no green taped lines), then NVSL either moves event to a rented facility (eg George Mason/St James) and charge a fee to cover costs or cancels the event and awards all stars based on seed times. Maybe someone steps up the next year?

I appreciate Rutherford and Pinecrest stepping up truly. Rutherford did an outstanding job. However NVSL shouldn’t be ignoring safety issues with facilities because they are the only ones who were willing to host. NVSL is volunteers and again appreciate their efforts, but they can’t ignore safety issues.

Which is your pool?

Agree if no one is willing to host, the NVSL volunteers who run the league and put up with all the nonsense from parents and pools unwilling to do their share should cancel. That would focus minds for the following year.

Is this the flex you think it is? 17,000 kids in NVSL and how many are at all stars or all star relays? Most people do not give a crap. Cancel away.

Agree it's really 2 meets we're talking about that are a major issue and even most kids at D1 pools are not swimming at these meets. This whole unwilling to do their share drumbeat is a useless tangent. Some of these pools are not able to host these meets safely or effectively. It's definitely notable those pools also happen to have a lot of kids who participate. We get it. Focus on practical solutions instead of continuing to insist they be forced to host these meets, which again...dumb...not happening. If the practical solution is not to have the meets, don't have them.

[Anonymous]

The practical solution is to have it at the St James and pay the bill through a per swimmer entry fee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.

If no one is willing to host (and pool should be safe and make sense - like evening lighting and no green taped lines), then NVSL either moves event to a rented facility (eg George Mason/St James) and charge a fee to cover costs or cancels the event and awards all stars based on seed times. Maybe someone steps up the next year?

I appreciate Rutherford and Pinecrest stepping up truly. Rutherford did an outstanding job. However NVSL shouldn’t be ignoring safety issues with facilities because they are the only ones who were willing to host. NVSL is volunteers and again appreciate their efforts, but they can’t ignore safety issues.

Which is your pool?

Agree if no one is willing to host, the NVSL volunteers who run the league and put up with all the nonsense from parents and pools unwilling to do their share should cancel. That would focus minds for the following year.

Is this the flex you think it is? 17,000 kids in NVSL and how many are at all stars or all star relays? Most people do not give a crap. Cancel away.

Agree it's really 2 meets we're talking about that are a major issue and even most kids at D1 pools are not swimming at these meets. This whole unwilling to do their share drumbeat is a useless tangent. Some of these pools are not able to host these meets safely or effectively. It's definitely notable those pools also happen to have a lot of kids who participate. We get it. Focus on practical solutions instead of continuing to insist they be forced to host these meets, which again...dumb...not happening. If the practical solution is not to have the meets, don't have them.

I am in the St. James camp as well. Break it out into sessions. It becomes a long day but then it will feel like a real championship meet.