Opinions on USMNT out of Copa America

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s all you saw, you don’t understand the game.

Care to respond to my actual statement without a pompous redefinition? Do you agree that Uruguay is an athletic and running team or not?

Which team doesn't have athletic players?

USMNT

I agree with this completely. If you think Tyler, Weston and Musah are athletic midfielders, you don't know what athletic means. The centerbacks are even worse (though with Ream, that is a function of age). Uruguay has multiple players head and shoulders above anybody on the US team; they are also more athletic. I don't know what "running" team means at all.

Name some of history's top rated Midfielders
Think Spain, Holland, Germany, Brazil, Croatia, Argentina....
How many of them were/are more 'athletic' than the USA Midfielders

People like modric are more athletic. The us Mids are not athletic. Have had weight issues. Worse many have had discipline/professionalism issues. Marsh is right.
Berhalter is playing same guys in same formations and getting same results over and over.

USMNT gets outworked by other teams.

LOL .... Little Luca Modric is more athletic than Tyler Adams?

This ignorance has no limits

That aside, athleticism is/has never been listed as top requirement for great Midfielders.
IQ, Vision, Decision Making, Technical Skills all come before

Yes Luca Modric is more athletic than all three US starters, at least when he was 30-35. And little Leo Messi was one of the best athletes in his prime with respect to both speed and balance. Height is not athleticism. Those other qualities are essential and more important, and unfortunately we are lacking there as well, at least relative to top flight national sides.

Where are the US Midfielders playing their club ball?

If we are to listen to the DCUM expertise on how low level they all are, how are they fooling coaches, GM's and owners of these division 1 clubs in Europe?

Adams played 3 games for Bournemouth last season, yes hurt, but that's not playing.
Musah and Pulisic play well for AC Milan, but has to be said they did not succeed in Premier League
Weah same Juventus, not a success or desired elsewhere
McKennie same italian, was a failure at Leeds
Reyna plays where exactly??? 20 league games over last 2 years at Dortmund and Nottingham = 0 goals or add 4 extra nonleague games still = 0 goals

these 6 are the core of Berhalter's world, the players are calling to support GB now because if GB goes likely their untouchable roles do as well

Dest when healthy is a player but is a wingback

So AC Milan and Juventus are small clubs in Europe who are desperate and have no choice but to scrape the bottom of the barrel for our rec league US boys?

you fail to see the differences between adequate and good, Pulisic is an adequate professional left wing. He is not world class. Yet he is the best American player. The US' golden generation is only golden compared to US. Adams, McKennie, Weah, Pulisic, Musah and Reyna are meh. Led by GB they are even more meh Your post really proves the point. AC Milan and Juventus play tougher matches and competition than the USMNT usually does with its cupcakes in CONCACAF. the US players are not the stars at those clubs, just complementary pieces. the US players do better against weak national team competition, although lately they dont even do that Pulisic is a solid pro, but not a star except on US team against weaker competition. US cant even advance in Copa let alone Euros or world cup

there is enough of statistical data on these guys to show what they really are, Pulisic is the only one of a significant caliber pro as a difference maker, Reyna had promise and maybe still does

McKennie 198 professional matches 13 goals USA 56 matches 11 goals
Pulisic 224 pro matches 45 goals USA 71 matches 30 goals
Adams 194 pro matches 3 goals USA 42 matches 2 goals
Musah 141 pro matches 3 goals USA 39 matches 0 goals
Weah 137 pro matches 10 goals (0 with Juventus) USA 41 matches 6 goals
Reyna 99 pro matches 13 goals USA 31 matches 8 goals

No need to read your entire diatribe dissertation.
There are only a few world class players in professional football

Adequate doesn't have you playing at AC Milan or Juventus or Premier League
Adequate doesn't have McKennie considered by most the best Midfielder in Serie A last season

Stats are used to tell whatever story and narrative you choose.
It's not track & field. Not just about numbers (only 1 international goal for Bernardo Silva a top player)

He’s not even the best midfielder on his team (Rabiot). He had a lot better year than when at Leeds, but he is in a far lower category than Barella, Calhanoglu, Rabiot, or Zelinski. And he has weight issue

>"USA international Weston McKennie enjoyed a strong showing for Juventus this season, being one of the most-used players in the squad while churning out assists on the regular. With 2950 minutes spent on the pitch, he was the sixth-most used player on the team, yet topped the charts in terms of assists, reaching double figures with 10 decisive passes for teammates to score off across the campaign"<

yes Greg

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berhalter's teams have run up scores against grenada etc but lose bad to columbia and the best wins have been against iran ? and a receding mexico

Panama has beat US when it matters consistently

i dont understand what the TD for US does but it is odd that Crocoker was absent from so much

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basically Crock

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s all you saw, you don’t understand the game.

Care to respond to my actual statement without a pompous redefinition? Do you agree that Uruguay is an athletic and running team or not?

Which team doesn't have athletic players?

USMNT

I agree with this completely. If you think Tyler, Weston and Musah are athletic midfielders, you don't know what athletic means. The centerbacks are even worse (though with Ream, that is a function of age). Uruguay has multiple players head and shoulders above anybody on the US team; they are also more athletic. I don't know what "running" team means at all.

Name some of history's top rated Midfielders
Think Spain, Holland, Germany, Brazil, Croatia, Argentina....
How many of them were/are more 'athletic' than the USA Midfielders

People like modric are more athletic. The us Mids are not athletic. Have had weight issues. Worse many have had discipline/professionalism issues. Marsh is right.
Berhalter is playing same guys in same formations and getting same results over and over.

USMNT gets outworked by other teams.

LOL .... Little Luca Modric is more athletic than Tyler Adams?

This ignorance has no limits

That aside, athleticism is/has never been listed as top requirement for great Midfielders.
IQ, Vision, Decision Making, Technical Skills all come before

Yes Luca Modric is more athletic than all three US starters, at least when he was 30-35. And little Leo Messi was one of the best athletes in his prime with respect to both speed and balance. Height is not athleticism. Those other qualities are essential and more important, and unfortunately we are lacking there as well, at least relative to top flight national sides.

Where are the US Midfielders playing their club ball?

If we are to listen to the DCUM expertise on how low level they all are, how are they fooling coaches, GM's and owners of these division 1 clubs in Europe?

Adams played 3 games for Bournemouth last season, yes hurt, but that's not playing.
Musah and Pulisic play well for AC Milan, but has to be said they did not succeed in Premier League
Weah same Juventus, not a success or desired elsewhere
McKennie same italian, was a failure at Leeds
Reyna plays where exactly??? 20 league games over last 2 years at Dortmund and Nottingham = 0 goals or add 4 extra nonleague games still = 0 goals

these 6 are the core of Berhalter's world, the players are calling to support GB now because if GB goes likely their untouchable roles do as well

Dest when healthy is a player but is a wingback

So AC Milan and Juventus are small clubs in Europe who are desperate and have no choice but to scrape the bottom of the barrel for our rec league US boys?

you fail to see the differences between adequate and good, Pulisic is an adequate professional left wing. He is not world class. Yet he is the best American player. The US' golden generation is only golden compared to US. Adams, McKennie, Weah, Pulisic, Musah and Reyna are meh. Led by GB they are even more meh Your post really proves the point. AC Milan and Juventus play tougher matches and competition than the USMNT usually does with its cupcakes in CONCACAF. the US players are not the stars at those clubs, just complementary pieces. the US players do better against weak national team competition, although lately they dont even do that Pulisic is a solid pro, but not a star except on US team against weaker competition. US cant even advance in Copa let alone Euros or world cup

there is enough of statistical data on these guys to show what they really are, Pulisic is the only one of a significant caliber pro as a difference maker, Reyna had promise and maybe still does

McKennie 198 professional matches 13 goals USA 56 matches 11 goals
Pulisic 224 pro matches 45 goals USA 71 matches 30 goals
Adams 194 pro matches 3 goals USA 42 matches 2 goals
Musah 141 pro matches 3 goals USA 39 matches 0 goals
Weah 137 pro matches 10 goals (0 with Juventus) USA 41 matches 6 goals
Reyna 99 pro matches 13 goals USA 31 matches 8 goals

No need to read your entire diatribe dissertation.
There are only a few world class players in professional football

Adequate doesn't have you playing at AC Milan or Juventus or Premier League
Adequate doesn't have McKennie considered by most the best Midfielder in Serie A last season

Stats are used to tell whatever story and narrative you choose.
It's not track & field. Not just about numbers (only 1 international goal for Bernardo Silva a top player)

He’s not even the best midfielder on his team (Rabiot). He had a lot better year than when at Leeds, but he is in a far lower category than Barella, Calhanoglu, Rabiot, or Zelinski. And he has weight issue

>"USA international Weston McKennie enjoyed a strong showing for Juventus this season, being one of the most-used players in the squad while churning out assists on the regular. With 2950 minutes spent on the pitch, he was the sixth-most used player on the team, yet topped the charts in terms of assists, reaching double figures with 10 decisive passes for teammates to score off across the campaign"<

yes Greg

Greg writes for the Juventus website?

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s all you saw, you don’t understand the game.

Care to respond to my actual statement without a pompous redefinition? Do you agree that Uruguay is an athletic and running team or not?

Which team doesn't have athletic players?

USMNT

I agree with this completely. If you think Tyler, Weston and Musah are athletic midfielders, you don't know what athletic means. The centerbacks are even worse (though with Ream, that is a function of age). Uruguay has multiple players head and shoulders above anybody on the US team; they are also more athletic. I don't know what "running" team means at all.

Name some of history's top rated Midfielders
Think Spain, Holland, Germany, Brazil, Croatia, Argentina....
How many of them were/are more 'athletic' than the USA Midfielders

People like modric are more athletic. The us Mids are not athletic. Have had weight issues. Worse many have had discipline/professionalism issues. Marsh is right.
Berhalter is playing same guys in same formations and getting same results over and over.

USMNT gets outworked by other teams.

LOL .... Little Luca Modric is more athletic than Tyler Adams?

This ignorance has no limits

That aside, athleticism is/has never been listed as top requirement for great Midfielders.
IQ, Vision, Decision Making, Technical Skills all come before

Yes Luca Modric is more athletic than all three US starters, at least when he was 30-35. And little Leo Messi was one of the best athletes in his prime with respect to both speed and balance. Height is not athleticism. Those other qualities are essential and more important, and unfortunately we are lacking there as well, at least relative to top flight national sides.

Where are the US Midfielders playing their club ball?

If we are to listen to the DCUM expertise on how low level they all are, how are they fooling coaches, GM's and owners of these division 1 clubs in Europe?

Adams played 3 games for Bournemouth last season, yes hurt, but that's not playing.
Musah and Pulisic play well for AC Milan, but has to be said they did not succeed in Premier League
Weah same Juventus, not a success or desired elsewhere
McKennie same italian, was a failure at Leeds
Reyna plays where exactly??? 20 league games over last 2 years at Dortmund and Nottingham = 0 goals or add 4 extra nonleague games still = 0 goals

these 6 are the core of Berhalter's world, the players are calling to support GB now because if GB goes likely their untouchable roles do as well

Dest when healthy is a player but is a wingback

So AC Milan and Juventus are small clubs in Europe who are desperate and have no choice but to scrape the bottom of the barrel for our rec league US boys?

you fail to see the differences between adequate and good, Pulisic is an adequate professional left wing. He is not world class. Yet he is the best American player. The US' golden generation is only golden compared to US. Adams, McKennie, Weah, Pulisic, Musah and Reyna are meh. Led by GB they are even more meh Your post really proves the point. AC Milan and Juventus play tougher matches and competition than the USMNT usually does with its cupcakes in CONCACAF. the US players are not the stars at those clubs, just complementary pieces. the US players do better against weak national team competition, although lately they dont even do that Pulisic is a solid pro, but not a star except on US team against weaker competition. US cant even advance in Copa let alone Euros or world cup

there is enough of statistical data on these guys to show what they really are, Pulisic is the only one of a significant caliber pro as a difference maker, Reyna had promise and maybe still does

McKennie 198 professional matches 13 goals USA 56 matches 11 goals
Pulisic 224 pro matches 45 goals USA 71 matches 30 goals
Adams 194 pro matches 3 goals USA 42 matches 2 goals
Musah 141 pro matches 3 goals USA 39 matches 0 goals
Weah 137 pro matches 10 goals (0 with Juventus) USA 41 matches 6 goals
Reyna 99 pro matches 13 goals USA 31 matches 8 goals

No need to read your entire diatribe dissertation.
There are only a few world class players in professional football

Adequate doesn't have you playing at AC Milan or Juventus or Premier League
Adequate doesn't have McKennie considered by most the best Midfielder in Serie A last season

Stats are used to tell whatever story and narrative you choose.
It's not track & field. Not just about numbers (only 1 international goal for Bernardo Silva a top player)

He’s not even the best midfielder on his team (Rabiot). He had a lot better year than when at Leeds, but he is in a far lower category than Barella, Calhanoglu, Rabiot, or Zelinski. And he has weight issue

>"USA international Weston McKennie enjoyed a strong showing for Juventus this season, being one of the most-used players in the squad while churning out assists on the regular. With 2950 minutes spent on the pitch, he was the sixth-most used player on the team, yet topped the charts in terms of assists, reaching double figures with 10 decisive passes for teammates to score off across the campaign"<

yes Greg

Greg writes for the Juventus website?

they tout their own

Leeds had a different more robust opinion

what time is the us quarterfinal?

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isnt McKennie the one who got suspended for violating covid with a teammate sister?

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s all you saw, you don’t understand the game.

Care to respond to my actual statement without a pompous redefinition? Do you agree that Uruguay is an athletic and running team or not?

Which team doesn't have athletic players?

USMNT

I agree with this completely. If you think Tyler, Weston and Musah are athletic midfielders, you don't know what athletic means. The centerbacks are even worse (though with Ream, that is a function of age). Uruguay has multiple players head and shoulders above anybody on the US team; they are also more athletic. I don't know what "running" team means at all.

Name some of history's top rated Midfielders
Think Spain, Holland, Germany, Brazil, Croatia, Argentina....
How many of them were/are more 'athletic' than the USA Midfielders

People like modric are more athletic. The us Mids are not athletic. Have had weight issues. Worse many have had discipline/professionalism issues. Marsh is right.
Berhalter is playing same guys in same formations and getting same results over and over.

USMNT gets outworked by other teams.

LOL .... Little Luca Modric is more athletic than Tyler Adams?

This ignorance has no limits

That aside, athleticism is/has never been listed as top requirement for great Midfielders.
IQ, Vision, Decision Making, Technical Skills all come before

Yes Luca Modric is more athletic than all three US starters, at least when he was 30-35. And little Leo Messi was one of the best athletes in his prime with respect to both speed and balance. Height is not athleticism. Those other qualities are essential and more important, and unfortunately we are lacking there as well, at least relative to top flight national sides.

Where are the US Midfielders playing their club ball?

If we are to listen to the DCUM expertise on how low level they all are, how are they fooling coaches, GM's and owners of these division 1 clubs in Europe?

Adams played 3 games for Bournemouth last season, yes hurt, but that's not playing.
Musah and Pulisic play well for AC Milan, but has to be said they did not succeed in Premier League
Weah same Juventus, not a success or desired elsewhere
McKennie same italian, was a failure at Leeds
Reyna plays where exactly??? 20 league games over last 2 years at Dortmund and Nottingham = 0 goals or add 4 extra nonleague games still = 0 goals

these 6 are the core of Berhalter's world, the players are calling to support GB now because if GB goes likely their untouchable roles do as well

Dest when healthy is a player but is a wingback

So AC Milan and Juventus are small clubs in Europe who are desperate and have no choice but to scrape the bottom of the barrel for our rec league US boys?

you fail to see the differences between adequate and good, Pulisic is an adequate professional left wing. He is not world class. Yet he is the best American player. The US' golden generation is only golden compared to US. Adams, McKennie, Weah, Pulisic, Musah and Reyna are meh. Led by GB they are even more meh Your post really proves the point. AC Milan and Juventus play tougher matches and competition than the USMNT usually does with its cupcakes in CONCACAF. the US players are not the stars at those clubs, just complementary pieces. the US players do better against weak national team competition, although lately they dont even do that Pulisic is a solid pro, but not a star except on US team against weaker competition. US cant even advance in Copa let alone Euros or world cup

there is enough of statistical data on these guys to show what they really are, Pulisic is the only one of a significant caliber pro as a difference maker, Reyna had promise and maybe still does

McKennie 198 professional matches 13 goals USA 56 matches 11 goals
Pulisic 224 pro matches 45 goals USA 71 matches 30 goals
Adams 194 pro matches 3 goals USA 42 matches 2 goals
Musah 141 pro matches 3 goals USA 39 matches 0 goals
Weah 137 pro matches 10 goals (0 with Juventus) USA 41 matches 6 goals
Reyna 99 pro matches 13 goals USA 31 matches 8 goals

No need to read your entire diatribe dissertation.
There are only a few world class players in professional football

Adequate doesn't have you playing at AC Milan or Juventus or Premier League
Adequate doesn't have McKennie considered by most the best Midfielder in Serie A last season

Stats are used to tell whatever story and narrative you choose.
It's not track & field. Not just about numbers (only 1 international goal for Bernardo Silva a top player)

He’s not even the best midfielder on his team (Rabiot). He had a lot better year than when at Leeds, but he is in a far lower category than Barella, Calhanoglu, Rabiot, or Zelinski. And he has weight issue

>"USA international Weston McKennie enjoyed a strong showing for Juventus this season, being one of the most-used players in the squad while churning out assists on the regular. With 2950 minutes spent on the pitch, he was the sixth-most used player on the team, yet topped the charts in terms of assists, reaching double figures with 10 decisive passes for teammates to score off across the campaign"<

yes Greg

Greg writes for the Juventus website?

they tout their own

Leeds had a different more robust opinion

what time is the us quarterfinal?

Every source shows McKennie had more assists than the other Juventus midfielders.
But because the facts and truth goes against your false biased slanted narrative 🙄

The US is not in the quarterfinals.
What time does your country play?

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Anonymous wrote:isnt McKennie the one who got suspended for violating covid with a teammate sister?

you the teammate?

[Anonymous]

this thread pretty much sums up the achievements of USMNT

[Anonymous]

The Gregg-player dynamic. “He’s so great we love him.” It’s a boys club to hangout and have fun playing other countries. The results speak for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like klopp is in

[Anonymous]

People trash the US style of play, but Canada just made it to the semis! What’s the false equivalence here?

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Anonymous wrote:People trash the US style of play, but Canada just made it to the semis! What’s the false equivalence here?

People trash the US because they lose to teams 20 places below them.

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When the .5% of parents on DCUM say what it takes for kids to raise their levels and what US youth soccer culture needs to do to elevate development standards, they get told kids won't become pros so no need to take it that seriously

Then the same 99.5% turn around and complain about the US National team's performances and results on the international stage 😂🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:isnt McKennie the one who got suspended for violating covid with a teammate sister?

The teammate’s sister part of the story was not true, but he did get sent home for violating Covid protocol a couple years ago.