If TJ has such smart kids, why so much cheating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, on the TJ Admissions Roundup thread there’s a poster telling us that different cultures have different views of what constitutes honesty.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/120/1206507.page#27592104

Kids learn from their parents.

Exactly. Cheaters encourage their kids to cheat.

The kids think it’s all right because their parents were okay with the lack of integrity around the test and the NDA the kids signed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

What about administration and equity recruits? Aren't they under intense pressure to show the non-merit based TJ admissions is not a lost cause?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As I posted on another thread:

Does no one remember the girl from the class of 2001 who wrote an essay on the "culture of cheating" at TJ and earned the then-principal a call from the head of Yale admissions over everything that girl spilled?

There's been cheating at TJ as long as it's been TJHSST and even longer that than I'm sure.

And as a PP stated, it's because kids are lazy/arrogant. In the early 2000s it was because it was more fun to be chatting on AIM or playing video games than it was to be doing homework. Now it's going to be video games or TikTok or whatever, but it's still the same thing. Kids don't want to do work, but they want the A, so they cheat.

Remedial math and parent pressure and all that doesn't have nearly as much to do with it as what I just wrote. Because it's been the same for a very long time.

I could not find this online. Any good keywords or a link you could share?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I posted on another thread:

Does no one remember the girl from the class of 2001 who wrote an essay on the "culture of cheating" at TJ and earned the then-principal a call from the head of Yale admissions over everything that girl spilled?

There's been cheating at TJ as long as it's been TJHSST and even longer that than I'm sure.

And as a PP stated, it's because kids are lazy/arrogant. In the early 2000s it was because it was more fun to be chatting on AIM or playing video games than it was to be doing homework. Now it's going to be video games or TikTok or whatever, but it's still the same thing. Kids don't want to do work, but they want the A, so they cheat.

Remedial math and parent pressure and all that doesn't have nearly as much to do with it as what I just wrote. Because it's been the same for a very long time.

I could not find this online. Any good keywords or a link you could share?

I don't remember that it ever made it into the news. I don't remember if we even had a school assembly about it or anything. I just remember all the anger from kids about that essay supposedly tanking people's chances at Yale for the next couple years and teachers lecturing us about it.

And yes, I realize this means I can't substantiate what I said. But ask any alumn from 2001-2004.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

What about administration and equity recruits? Aren't they under intense pressure to show the non-merit based TJ admissions is not a lost cause?

This has actually been good for the school environment. They don't want to flunk anyone out anymore so there is a lot of grade inflation. You basically get a B for effort, so the pressure to get good grades is diminished because it has gotten a lot easier to maintain a good GPA for everyone. To be fair, TJHSST was maybe the only school in the area with such strict grading practices. Once the kids don't have to worry about their GPA, they can focus on developing their personal academic interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

What about administration and equity recruits? Aren't they under intense pressure to show the non-merit based TJ admissions is not a lost cause?

“Equity recruits”? STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

What about administration and equity recruits? Aren't they under intense pressure to show the non-merit based TJ admissions is not a lost cause?

This has actually been good for the school environment. They don't want to flunk anyone out anymore so there is a lot of grade inflation. You basically get a B for effort, so the pressure to get good grades is diminished because it has gotten a lot easier to maintain a good GPA for everyone. To be fair, TJHSST was maybe the only school in the area with such strict grading practices. Once the kids don't have to worry about their GPA, they can focus on developing their personal academic interests.

Mount Vernon's inflated grading practice should be implemented not just at TJ but all FCPS schools. Equity for all!

[Anonymous]

You basically get a B for effort, so the pressure to get good grades is diminished because it has gotten a lot easier to maintain a good GPA for everyone.

Hahaha, I think there are many kids at TJ that would fundamentally disagree with this. I have seen nothing that suggests one gets a B for simply showing up.

I'm so glad most of the kids don't read this nonsense. One of my toxic traits is actually reading these boards. (And responding).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You basically get a B for effort, so the pressure to get good grades is diminished because it has gotten a lot easier to maintain a good GPA for everyone.

Hahaha, I think there are many kids at TJ that would fundamentally disagree with this. I have seen nothing that suggests one gets a B for simply showing up.

I'm so glad most of the kids don't read this nonsense. One of my toxic traits is actually reading these boards. (And responding).

Ha PP. The bolded is so true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

It doesn't look like students start that way, but it's the false premise upon which their admission offer is based. Students who lack proficiency in low level algebra 1 math are being thrust into an unusual level of rigor that their middle school does not sufficiently prepare them for. Qualified algebra 1 students can be admitted but that evaluation mechanism has been eliminated and replaced with a nonsensical essay. This places innocent students under pressure to perform, putting their integrity to the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

It doesn't look like students start that way, but it's the false premise upon which their admission offer is based. Students who lack proficiency in low level algebra 1 math are being thrust into an unusual level of rigor that their middle school does not sufficiently prepare them for. Qualified algebra 1 students can be admitted but that evaluation mechanism has been eliminated and replaced with a nonsensical essay. This places innocent students under pressure to perform, putting their integrity to the test.

No, your post is inaccurate and offensive. I don't know if you believe that nonsense that you keep posting or if you're purely trolling - but it's really obnoxious and you should stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

It doesn't look like students start that way, but it's the false premise upon which their admission offer is based. Students who lack proficiency in low level algebra 1 math are being thrust into an unusual level of rigor that their middle school does not sufficiently prepare them for. Qualified algebra 1 students can be admitted but that evaluation mechanism has been eliminated and replaced with a nonsensical essay. This places innocent students under pressure to perform, putting their integrity to the test.

No, your post is inaccurate and offensive. I don't know if you believe that nonsense that you keep posting or if you're purely trolling - but it's really obnoxious and you should stop.

+1. If it's the same IP posting all this nonsense and really flooding every thread with it, Jeff should ban. Turning every single thing into a referendum on the admissions changes gets old.

[Anonymous]

DC is a sophomore and really only complained about one major cheating thing in the last two years - someone took photos of the math test this spring and circulated them. This was reported to the school by other honest kids and the curve was eliminated apparently.

There haven’t been other major incidents I’ve heard of from DC at least. (That impact others I mean vs using AI to do papers)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

It doesn't look like students start that way, but it's the false premise upon which their admission offer is based. Students who lack proficiency in low level algebra 1 math are being thrust into an unusual level of rigor that their middle school does not sufficiently prepare them for. Qualified algebra 1 students can be admitted but that evaluation mechanism has been eliminated and replaced with a nonsensical essay. This places innocent students under pressure to perform, putting their integrity to the test.

No, your post is inaccurate and offensive. I don't know if you believe that nonsense that you keep posting or if you're purely trolling - but it's really obnoxious and you should stop.

+1. If it's the same IP posting all this nonsense and really flooding every thread with it, Jeff should ban. Turning every single thing into a referendum on the admissions changes gets old.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of very qualified TJ math students now and in the past have cheated on AMCs to make USAMO and USAJMO.They knew they were not the best but had to get in to MIT or Harvard somehow. What is alarming is the number of unethical girls who are cheating.

Why is this more alarming than unethical boys?

Previously cheating was predominantly boys. Girls weren't doing it in large numbers. Now they are right there doing it.

I know, right. Girls used to not be well educated at all, and now with all that education they are wanting advancement. It reminds me of the wisdom of Gaston “It’s not right for a woman to read. Soon she starts getting ideas. . . and thinking”.