The future of DEI

[Anonymous]

My company hired a POC in a DEI initiative and she did not get along with her supervisor (the one who hired her). She eventually quit and accused two seniors of racism, which effectively ended the DEI initiative for any qualified potential hire ever again. It was such an ordeal because of the racism accusation (for which there was no evidence afterwards) that the senior leadership felt it was too much of a headache and stopped hiring POC in that role.

[Anonymous]

I'm Latina and I'm pretty irritated that I haven't benefited from any of this stuff. And, now it's going to go away and my kids won't be able to benefit either. I know we're not the target audience but they at least pay lip service to latinos.

But, of course we don't need it. And, I would hate the feeling of being the minority hire and wondering if I was actually "less than." So, pros and cons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Utter BS

Not this poster, but why do you think this is BS? I work for a large organization and our hiring practice is if all things are equal, hire the diverse candidate. It does count against you not to be a diverse candidate. I can also tell you with certainty it is much more difficult to deal with performance issues with a diverse employee. They will get a lot more chances and a lot more rope than a white person. No one cares if you fire a white person.

The issue (to me) is there are so many environments, systems, and employers where black people genuinely are discriminated against and are treated unfairly. Those persist and then in these more DEI-forward environments, or whatever we want to call it, the pendulum has swung so far the other way it's causing other problems that I believe actually hurt the issue overall in the end.

I was on a call with a large Federal agency last year about increasing diversity in the workplace and was so disgusted. They said that as long as someone meets the minimum qualifications for a position, then hiring managers should be picking the "diverse" candidate. No consideration for the "non-diverse" who have strong qualifications above the minimum such as an advanced degree, extensive experience etc. The message couldn't have been more clear.

[Anonymous]

Raise your non diverse kids to become business owners.

[Anonymous]

It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Utter BS

Not this poster, but why do you think this is BS? I work for a large organization and our hiring practice is if all things are equal, hire the diverse candidate. It does count against you not to be a diverse candidate. I can also tell you with certainty it is much more difficult to deal with performance issues with a diverse employee. They will get a lot more chances and a lot more rope than a white person. No one cares if you fire a white person.

The issue (to me) is there are so many environments, systems, and employers where black people genuinely are discriminated against and are treated unfairly. Those persist and then in these more DEI-forward environments, or whatever we want to call it, the pendulum has swung so far the other way it's causing other problems that I believe actually hurt the issue overall in the end.

I was on a call with a large Federal agency last year about increasing diversity in the workplace and was so disgusted. They said that as long as someone meets the minimum qualifications for a position, then hiring managers should be picking the "diverse" candidate. No consideration for the "non-diverse" who have strong qualifications above the minimum such as an advanced degree, extensive experience etc. The message couldn't have been more clear.

One of the few advantages of a Trump presidency is that this will go away pretty quickly. His team clearly have their knives out for the Fed bureaucracy and DEI metrics will be the first to be devastated. I can't entirely blame them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.

No but it’s good they finally have to compete for jobs. Raise your game to get a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Or it just meant he had to compete evenly instead of just skating and getting a job a buddy gives him.

DP. Kudos on the victim mindset. Actually, it's the opposite of fair competition and your racist comment openly suggests that bosses cannot be POC. Therapy could go a long way for you.

You’re the only one who mentioned race.

Sadly you can’t just be given jobs by your buddies. It’s hard when you have to compete isn’t it.

Your the one with victim mindset.

How is it competing if you hamstring the competition?

Bootstraps baby

No hamstringing just get better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.

No but it’s good they finally have to compete for jobs. Raise your game to get a job.

Lol raise my game by becoming a minority?

[Anonymous]

I have a friend who works at a high level financial regulatory agency of the Federal government. She is no longer allowed to hire white males. If no other candidate is qualified, she has to wait until a POC (preferably black) applies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.

No but it’s good they finally have to compete for jobs. Raise your game to get a job.

Lol raise my game by becoming a minority?

Or you could become a women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.

In other words a long series of white men held a bunch of leadership positions and now everyone is trying to CYA by hiring "diverse" candidates at the same time. What could possibly go wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.

No but it’s good they finally have to compete for jobs. Raise your game to get a job.

Lol raise my game by becoming a minority?

Or you could become a women?

*woman. Darn, less funny with a typo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Or it just meant he had to compete evenly instead of just skating and getting a job a buddy gives him.

DP. Kudos on the victim mindset. Actually, it's the opposite of fair competition and your racist comment openly suggests that bosses cannot be POC. Therapy could go a long way for you.

You’re the only one who mentioned race.

Sadly you can’t just be given jobs by your buddies. It’s hard when you have to compete isn’t it.

Your the one with victim mindset.

How is it competing if you hamstring the competition?

Bootstraps baby

No hamstringing just get better

If you need DEI to be considered for a job, it is you who needs to raise your game and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. The bar gets lowered as low as it can go to find the "right" candidate. And then people like you think you won by being "best". Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In practice, DEI training effectively tells whites, Latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, Pacific Islanders and the gazillions of people who are mixed-race that they are "part of the problem." It's effectively a black supremacy movement. For years everyone kept their mouths shut lest they be accused of racism. Instead, DEI training has been met with eye-rolling and resentment for the colossal waste of time that performative virtue signaling always is. Companies are rightfully scrambling to finally get rid of the DEI nonsense. And any company or organization that remains tethered to the DEI time-suck and discriminatory hiring/promotions that goes with it is going to have a hard time attracting talent going forward.

What a wildly inaccurate depiction of the facts. Typical white fragility.