The future of DEI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

You shouldn’t end with “whatevs.” DEI is a sham and needs to go. You have been wronged.

It’s a shame that you understandably feel you needed to share your private background to garner any empathy on this site. I have a similar background and HATE that we have been made to feel like we have to out ourselves.

It’s no one’s business how you grew up, how a person wants to identify or what a person’s bedroom preferences are. When the hell did everyone think they have a right to your privacy?

Bring meritocracy back. DEI initiatives have failed to prove much beyond racially motivated hiring yields chaos and dysfunction. Let me know of a company that is better because of it. I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

So now he shouldn’t get selected for a job because of it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

So now he shouldn’t get selected for a job because of it?

Didn't say that. Point is to acknowledge that within your sob story (and lots of people have them) you still had white privilege and it helped you. Because it did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

You shouldn’t end with “whatevs.” DEI is a sham and needs to go. You have been wronged.

It’s a shame that you understandably feel you needed to share your private background to garner any empathy on this site. I have a similar background and HATE that we have been made to feel like we have to out ourselves.

It’s no one’s business how you grew up, how a person wants to identify or what a person’s bedroom preferences are. When the hell did everyone think they have a right to your privacy?

Bring meritocracy back. DEI initiatives have failed to prove much beyond racially motivated hiring yields chaos and dysfunction. Let me know of a company that is better because of it. I’ll wait.

Are you kidding, white people LOVE trotting these stories out. It's a badge of honor to show they EARNED what they have. Unlike the black people who have managed to find their way into our midst. They are just the product of DEI initiatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

You’ve been brainwashed. No one is immune from privilege. If you are an American. Can walk. Are healthy. Have food. A family who loves you, you have something someone else does not. It is NOT limited to race, but these stupid programs aren’t nuanced enough for that kind of reflection.

Stop expecting people to feel bad. Society should not be encouraged to mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. Probably explains the growing number of people offing themselves.

Just try to be nice and decent. And no, not as a mandate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

So now he shouldn’t get selected for a job because of it?

Didn't say that. Point is to acknowledge that within your sob story (and lots of people have them) you still had white privilege and it helped you. Because it did.

Will the beneficiaries of DEI intiatives also acknowledge the help they get? They can't pretend they got a job on merit when it's part of a DEI initiative. Can't have it both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

Yikes I’m sorry PP, I 100% believe you. People seem to truly not understand that “reverse discrimination” is as illegal as any other kind of discrimination. Same with pregnancy and age, fwiw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

So now he shouldn’t get selected for a job because of it?

Didn't say that. Point is to acknowledge that within your sob story (and lots of people have them) you still had white privilege and it helped you. Because it did.

ummm you realize that the notion of “privilege” does not justify overt discrimination based on race/gender?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

You shouldn’t end with “whatevs.” DEI is a sham and needs to go. You have been wronged.

It’s a shame that you understandably feel you needed to share your private background to garner any empathy on this site. I have a similar background and HATE that we have been made to feel like we have to out ourselves.

It’s no one’s business how you grew up, how a person wants to identify or what a person’s bedroom preferences are. When the hell did everyone think they have a right to your privacy?

Bring meritocracy back. DEI initiatives have failed to prove much beyond racially motivated hiring yields chaos and dysfunction. Let me know of a company that is better because of it. I’ll wait.

Are you kidding, white people LOVE trotting these stories out. It's a badge of honor to show they EARNED what they have. Unlike the black people who have managed to find their way into our midst. They are just the product of DEI initiatives.

No, they absolutely don’t. If you think they like it so much, go tell a random group of people a detailed account of that one time you accidentally ate a batch of recalled spinach.

Because you get the same grossed out, confused look when you tip your hand as being an “other.” If you expected congrats to be in store, it’s only because you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Otherness not a special feeling reserved for the POC community. Sorry to poke holes in the sob story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

You’ve been brainwashed. No one is immune from privilege. If you are an American. Can walk. Are healthy. Have food. A family who loves you, you have something someone else does not. It is NOT limited to race, but these stupid programs aren’t nuanced enough for that kind of reflection.

Stop expecting people to feel bad. Society should not be encouraged to mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. Probably explains the growing number of people offing themselves.

Just try to be nice and decent. And no, not as a mandate.

Ha. I'm not brainwashed. I am smart enough to know this country was built on the backs of free black labor and for generations the systems were set up to hoard wealth and opportunity with white people and the impacts of that are still in place all around us. Why is that hard to understand. Basic history. Implying all Americans have the same level of privilege makes you sound super dumb.

However, I do not think people should mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. I'm a white person with a great life and let's see... zero of the white people I know are doing that so you seem to be worrying about something that's not actually happening.

Life is more complex than you're making it out to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Or it just meant he had to compete evenly instead of just skating and getting a job a buddy gives him.

DP. Kudos on the victim mindset. Actually, it's the opposite of fair competition and your racist comment openly suggests that bosses cannot be POC. Therapy could go a long way for you.

You’re the only one who mentioned race.

Sadly you can’t just be given jobs by your buddies. It’s hard when you have to compete isn’t it.

Your the one with victim mindset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll go out on a limb and say these programs created more racism than they've cured.

It identified the racism and those blind to it now see it and say there is more but it’s just visible now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Or it just meant he had to compete evenly instead of just skating and getting a job a buddy gives him.

Not poster but I was flat out refused jobs based on sex, race and age.

In fact my last three jobs offers were at mostly minority companies and minorities hired me. A black man or black women can hire a white guy. A white guy cant.

Also companies where senior management is mainly black or Spanish I had great luck with. Asian or Indian not so much they like to hire their own. And white peoples don’t want white people.

I wish job ad would say women only, etc.

No you weren’t but thinking that makes you feel better.

You are saying you are the most qualified person in the whole wide world for that one job. That’s not even a thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Or it just meant he had to compete evenly instead of just skating and getting a job a buddy gives him.

i think the point is that if you are told you cannot be hired due to the fact that you are not diverse, that's not even competition.

That doesn’t happen. That like saying I wasn’t hired because I didn’t have all the qualifications and your mad about it.