Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions

[Anonymous]

My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

But they didn't. My kids (white) can't get in. They made it accessible only to URMs. And that meant fewer seats for superlative asian american students (which my kids are not, but that is the truth). and now the reputation of the school has cratered. GOOD JOB FUHS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the board will at least release Information about how those classes are doing now, survey teachers about preparedness and readiness and more now that they’re not locked into silence because of lawsuits. Anecdata is not good and it would be good to explore to see if there are concerns and figure out how to fix them (rather than the smug, self-congratulatory email I just received from the board).

It will probably be a few years still until larger data sets for the Class of 2025 become publicly available. One early indication may be this fall when National Merit Semifinalists for the Class of 2025 are announced, but those numbers will also reflect the fact that FCPS increased the size of TJ's entering classes (to 550 from around 475) when the admissions changes were adopted.

[Anonymous]

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

I encourage you guys to read this. It is written with bias, but it contains evidence from the original case which is up to your interpretation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

But they didn't. My kids (white) can't get in. They made it accessible only to URMs. And that meant fewer seats for superlative asian american students (which my kids are not, but that is the truth). and now the reputation of the school has cratered. GOOD JOB FUHS!

Bull crap. ORMs (Asian students) still make up the majority of the classes.

“Economically disadvantaged students comprise 11.64% of the class of 2027.
2.91% of students are English Language Learners.
Female students represent 43.4%.
Asian students represent 61.64%.
White students represent 19.09%.
Black students represent 6.73%.
Hispanic students represent 6.00%.
95.27% of students receiving offers come from public schools.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

I encourage you guys to read this. It is written with bias, but it contains evidence from the original case which is up to your interpretation

Hard pass on Koch Bro astroturfing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

But they didn't. My kids (white) can't get in. They made it accessible only to URMs. And that meant fewer seats for superlative asian american students (which my kids are not, but that is the truth). and now the reputation of the school has cratered. GOOD JOB FUHS!

Bull crap. ORMs (Asian students) still make up the majority of the classes.

“Economically disadvantaged students comprise 11.64% of the class of 2027.
2.91% of students are English Language Learners.
Female students represent 43.4%.
Asian students represent 61.64%.
White students represent 19.09%.
Black students represent 6.73%.
Hispanic students represent 6.00%.
95.27% of students receiving offers come from public schools.”

Not bull crap. TJ has been destroyed by equity and DEI stuff. And the ASian American community has been the hardest hit. (no I am not one of them - I just know national education news).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

I encourage you guys to read this. It is written with bias, but it contains evidence from the original case which is up to your interpretation

Hard pass on Koch Bro astroturfing.

You know, any time anyone on this site goes on about Koch, maga, trump, etc., you know they are non-thinking idiots who are liberal bigots. And I don't read anything they have to say

[Anonymous]

For anyone reading the title of this thread - it is wrong. SCOTUS did not decide anything. the appeal was one of 10,000 scotus gets every year. SCOTUS hears only 100 to 150. It (or usually its clerks) decided not to hear this one. THAT IS ALL, There is no news here. SCOTUS could decide in a year or two to hear an identical or similar case. That is how it often rolls out. But it is not what OP wants you to think it is. Read up on SCOTUS petitions for writ of certiorari before you think this means anything - signed an appellate lawyer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

But they didn't. My kids (white) can't get in. They made it accessible only to URMs. And that meant fewer seats for superlative asian american students (which my kids are not, but that is the truth). and now the reputation of the school has cratered. GOOD JOB FUHS!

Bull crap. ORMs (Asian students) still make up the majority of the classes.

“Economically disadvantaged students comprise 11.64% of the class of 2027.
2.91% of students are English Language Learners.
Female students represent 43.4%.
Asian students represent 61.64%.
White students represent 19.09%.
Black students represent 6.73%.
Hispanic students represent 6.00%.
95.27% of students receiving offers come from public schools.”

AND there are more white students there than before the change.

“ raw #s from 2024 to 2025:
46 more hispanic
29 more black
8 more other/mixed
(83 more hispanic/black/mixed)
37 more white
56 fewer asians ”

Your white kid has a better chance of getting in now than they did before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

I encourage you guys to read this. It is written with bias, but it contains evidence from the original case which is up to your interpretation

Hard pass on Koch Bro astroturfing.

You know, any time anyone on this site goes on about Koch, maga, trump, etc., you know they are non-thinking idiots who are liberal bigots. And I don't read anything they have to say

PDE was started by Koch people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

But they didn't. My kids (white) can't get in. They made it accessible only to URMs. And that meant fewer seats for superlative asian american students (which my kids are not, but that is the truth). and now the reputation of the school has cratered. GOOD JOB FUHS!

Admissions for white students actually increased. Why do you think the reputation has catered? Students continue to be on top of the pyramid.

[Anonymous]

The "Parents Defending Education” claim that it’s a “grassroots” organization is total BS - they are part of a larger orchestrated effort to drive wedge issues for the GOP. It’s just another astroturfing scam to get suburban moms worked up into a frenzy with OUTRAGE after OUTRAGE.

They have ties to the Koch Bros.
https://defendinged.org/about/

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Speech_First
Speech First's president and only listed employee, Nicole Neily has worked for many Koch-affiliated groups. Neily was the president of the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, the Cato Institute’s manager of external relations, the coalition relations manager for FreedomWorks’ Center for Global Economic Growth, and a "Koch summer fellow for both the Center for Financial Privacy and Human Rights and the Competitive Enterprise Institute."[7]

The Nation, characterized Speech First as "a highly professional astro-turfing campaign, with a board of former Bush Administration lawyers and longtime affiliates of the Koch family...Speech First’s board of directors includes a former head of a Koch-backed trust and two conservative attorneys from Koch-funded programs."[2]

The people involved are anti-“CRT”, anti-trans, anti-education.
https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/yes-virginia-there-is-critical-race-theory-in-our-schools/article_ba449c18-cf99-11eb-a719-4bfc9103236c.html

https://www.masspoliticsprofs.org/2021/04/12/koch-connections-and-sham-grassroots-of-parents-defending-education/.
Parents Defending Education is corporate school privatizers going hard right to attack school boards, superintendents, principals, and teachers. It’s a dirty game and it’s about as grassroots as say, a Koch political operation.

Mercedes Schneider has figured out the grassroots angle in Parents Defending Education: Prefab “Grassroots”—PDE needs local connections to claim standing in law suits to chill the free speech of any educator who questions white supremacy. Peter Greene minces no words in Parents Defending Education: Astroturf Goes Hard Right:

PDE is particularly odious because of its whole “turn in any teacher or school that offends you” approach to chilling conversation and teaching. This is not just astrotyurf (sic), but astroturf with its brown shirt on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mother used to teach at a similar school in the Midwest, which takes students from all over the state — some of the rural kids had far less math and/or resources than the city or wealthy kids and thus less “qualified” by DCUM standards; however, they excelled once in that rigorous environment. One year (this was 30 years ago), 11 kids got into MIT. Many more got into Cal Tech, Harvard, and the like. I applaud FCPS for making TK more accessible to the county. FWIW, I read that while they did away with standardized tests for admissions, they raised the GPA and other standards.

But they didn't. My kids (white) can't get in. They made it accessible only to URMs. And that meant fewer seats for superlative asian american students (which my kids are not, but that is the truth). and now the reputation of the school has cratered. GOOD JOB FUHS!

Bull crap. ORMs (Asian students) still make up the majority of the classes.

“Economically disadvantaged students comprise 11.64% of the class of 2027.
2.91% of students are English Language Learners.
Female students represent 43.4%.
Asian students represent 61.64%.
White students represent 19.09%.
Black students represent 6.73%.
Hispanic students represent 6.00%.
95.27% of students receiving offers come from public schools.”

Not bull crap. TJ has been destroyed by equity and DEI stuff. And the ASian American community has been the hardest hit. (no I am not one of them - I just know national education news).

Turn off Newsmax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even this Supreme Court (the one that just overturned affirmative action) didn’t think this was worth taking. That’s the end of Azra and Harry Jackson’s ridiculous quest. Bye!

You can't conclude that from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari. The court can decide not to take an appeal for any number of reasons, including ripeness. Hundreds of certs. are denied every year.

DP... Ripeness? They literally JUST did Harvard and UNC. Roberts in his opinion warned against doing things indirectly that you couldn't do directly.

Conservatives have to be HOWLING that this wasn't taken up.

No, because most of them understand the chance of the case being heard was next to nil with the volume of cert petitions up there. All this means is that four justices didn't vote to take the case NOW. It could take a similar case a year from now or three years from now (goes to ripeness). .

Nonsense. The case was re-listed several times for consideration by the justices. It was being watched closely by commentators such as SCOTUSblog. To suggest that it was just one of the thousands is to fundamentally misunderstand this process and the relative importance of the case.

Truth. It was put over so many times I began to worry. Probably just because Alito was working on his rant. In the end, they didn’t take it. Hooray for TJ!