Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

And with legacy beginning to be pulled as well at many colleges...hopefully, we can enter a 'merit-based' admissions era.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

Actually not

[Anonymous]

We have 3000+ colleges in the US.

There are right colleges for everyone.

No need for BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.

YES!! The ACT/SAT in 2024 are not the tests we remember. Have you all looked at one? They're not tricky and they literally test basic grammar, reading and math. I mean, look at a test when you have a minute. It's all very basic stuff: the proper use of colons, reading a paragraph for content, doing basic geometry, etc. They're not complex questions!!

Those are the things are public school system fails kids. Writing instruction is atrocious. They also tend to accelerate kids in math too quickly and pass them along with inflated grades so there is no strong foundation. We had our kids do a short boot camp with a tutor before their private high school entrance exams in grammar.

Senior knocked ACT out of the park after 4 years with almost no ACT test prep. 36 in verbal and reading. 35 math.

FCPS kids have to take standardized tests every year. As a parent with a kid that FCPS accelerated, I know exactly where they stand compared to other kids in the county and state all the way though algebra II. Do private schools provide parents with similar objective data points?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:oh wow. Good for them.
I wonder what this will do for admissions number for them if they're the only ones in the Ivy league (or top 20) or whatever that does this?

It will improve their educational quality but decrease their USNews ranking. None of this will matter.

Good for them for taking a stand that makes sense for a school. That teaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

And with legacy beginning to be pulled as well at many colleges...hopefully, we can enter a 'merit-based' admissions era.

I feel like people aren’t reading the article.

Dartmouth is basically saying we will take lots of kids with SAT scores in the 1300s and 1400s coming from disadvantaged schools.

I don’t see how that will help the 1580 Asian kid from TJ. Those parents will be crying louder than ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

Actually not

It is.

Much of the DEI crowd dictates are not based in facts and were anti achievement, hurting minority kids, especially smart minority kids but also lower achieving minority kids because it pushes the idea that they cannot achieve due to factors out of their control, such as the way they look or coming from single parent homes, so why even try.

Moving away from this mindset and towards merit and achievement will help those that DEI claims to benefit.

Signed,
Former poor kid from a minority background

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.

YES!! The ACT/SAT in 2024 are not the tests we remember. Have you all looked at one? They're not tricky and they literally test basic grammar, reading and math. I mean, look at a test when you have a minute. It's all very basic stuff: the proper use of colons, reading a paragraph for content, doing basic geometry, etc. They're not complex questions!!

Those are the things are public school system fails kids. Writing instruction is atrocious. They also tend to accelerate kids in math too quickly and pass them along with inflated grades so there is no strong foundation. We had our kids do a short boot camp with a tutor before their private high school entrance exams in grammar.

Senior knocked ACT out of the park after 4 years with almost no ACT test prep. 36 in verbal and reading. 35 math.

FCPS kids have to take standardized tests every year. As a parent with a kid that FCPS accelerated, I know exactly where they stand compared to other kids in the county and state all the way though algebra II. Do private schools provide parents with similar objective data points?

Some do and some don’t. With that said, standardized tests are not created equally.

Wherever you see MAP tests being used by a school or district, those mask academic weaknesses more than the other mainstream tests do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.

YES!! The ACT/SAT in 2024 are not the tests we remember. Have you all looked at one? They're not tricky and they literally test basic grammar, reading and math. I mean, look at a test when you have a minute. It's all very basic stuff: the proper use of colons, reading a paragraph for content, doing basic geometry, etc. They're not complex questions!!

Those are the things are public school system fails kids. Writing instruction is atrocious. They also tend to accelerate kids in math too quickly and pass them along with inflated grades so there is no strong foundation. We had our kids do a short boot camp with a tutor before their private high school entrance exams in grammar.

Senior knocked ACT out of the park after 4 years with almost no ACT test prep. 36 in verbal and reading. 35 math.

FCPS kids have to take standardized tests every year. As a parent with a kid that FCPS accelerated, I know exactly where they stand compared to other kids in the county and state all the way though algebra II. Do private schools provide parents with similar objective data points?

No they don't

Elementary and middle school might, but once they get to high school, FCPS students only need to take one SOL per subject to verify the credit. Most kids are done with SOLs by 9th or 10th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.

YES!! The ACT/SAT in 2024 are not the tests we remember. Have you all looked at one? They're not tricky and they literally test basic grammar, reading and math. I mean, look at a test when you have a minute. It's all very basic stuff: the proper use of colons, reading a paragraph for content, doing basic geometry, etc. They're not complex questions!!

Those are the things are public school system fails kids. Writing instruction is atrocious. They also tend to accelerate kids in math too quickly and pass them along with inflated grades so there is no strong foundation. We had our kids do a short boot camp with a tutor before their private high school entrance exams in grammar.

Senior knocked ACT out of the park after 4 years with almost no ACT test prep. 36 in verbal and reading. 35 math.

FCPS kids have to take standardized tests every year. As a parent with a kid that FCPS accelerated, I know exactly where they stand compared to other kids in the county and state all the way though algebra II. Do private schools provide parents with similar objective data points?

My kid scored 600 on his SOLs. They are multiple choice...but then when it was time for exemption tests for private HS it was eye-opening. He had straight As too all the way through middle school and is a very bright kid. This was a large part of pulling him out of the public school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

And with legacy beginning to be pulled as well at many colleges...hopefully, we can enter a 'merit-based' admissions era.

I feel like people aren’t reading the article.

Dartmouth is basically saying we will take lots of kids with SAT scores in the 1300s and 1400s coming from disadvantaged schools.

I don’t see how that will help the 1580 Asian kid from TJ. Those parents will be crying louder than ever.

That is not at all what the article said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.

YES!! The ACT/SAT in 2024 are not the tests we remember. Have you all looked at one? They're not tricky and they literally test basic grammar, reading and math. I mean, look at a test when you have a minute. It's all very basic stuff: the proper use of colons, reading a paragraph for content, doing basic geometry, etc. They're not complex questions!!

Those are the things are public school system fails kids. Writing instruction is atrocious. They also tend to accelerate kids in math too quickly and pass them along with inflated grades so there is no strong foundation. We had our kids do a short boot camp with a tutor before their private high school entrance exams in grammar.

Senior knocked ACT out of the park after 4 years with almost no ACT test prep. 36 in verbal and reading. 35 math.

FCPS kids have to take standardized tests every year. As a parent with a kid that FCPS accelerated, I know exactly where they stand compared to other kids in the county and state all the way though algebra II. Do private schools provide parents with similar objective data points?

My kid scored 600 on his SOLs. They are multiple choice...but then when it was time for exemption tests for private HS it was eye-opening. He had straight As too all the way through middle school and is a very bright kid. This was a large part of pulling him out of the public school system.

Not to mention the 'teach to the test' mentality. Our elementary school had copies of prior SOLs and would send home packets and drill kids specifically for the SOLs so the Principal could have high test scores. This was not teaching.

[Anonymous]

So this applies to the high school class of 2025 - current juniors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

And with legacy beginning to be pulled as well at many colleges...hopefully, we can enter a 'merit-based' admissions era.

I feel like people aren’t reading the article.

Dartmouth is basically saying we will take lots of kids with SAT scores in the 1300s and 1400s coming from disadvantaged schools.

I don’t see how that will help the 1580 Asian kid from TJ. Those parents will be crying louder than ever.

So how will the URM kid at TJ fare? Doesn’t attend a disadvantaged HS so scores in the 1300-1400 is below the HS average and will it hurt or help them? You can see in thenaviance scattergram kid from TJ that got into many ivies + with an SAT in the 1400s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A huge blow to the DEI crowd.

Actually not

It is.

Much of the DEI crowd dictates are not based in facts and were anti achievement, hurting minority kids, especially smart minority kids but also lower achieving minority kids because it pushes the idea that they cannot achieve due to factors out of their control, such as the way they look or coming from single parent homes, so why even try.

Moving away from this mindset and towards merit and achievement will help those that DEI claims to benefit.

Signed,
Former poor kid from a minority background

Did you read the article? Dartmouth literally said they will take poor kids from minority backgrounds with lower scores. They’re going back to test-mandatory because they want the 1450 poor kids over the 1250 poor kids. Rich kids still need a 1550.