young people on tiktok now like Osama Bin Laden

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing to disagree with Israel's response, I do disagree. It's totally another level of mindfu$$ to acknowledge that Osama Bin Laden made sense, I mean really??? The horrors of 9/11 will forever live with me, the first responders, NYPD and so many families destroyed by that heinous act. I may not remember what I did yesterday but I remember every single thing about the day of 9/11, every.single.thing. This is the problem with getting your information from social media, typically it has no context, no history to educate you fully. Just soundbites to get more clicks.

Same, but we were there. The young adults of today were not, or were babies.

just like the young adluts today have no real touch to the Holocaust and as such don't understand why Israel is considered such a valued partner.

This is why education and history (cough for all of the STEM adherants who say humanities have no place in colleges cough) is so important.

There's something more to it. Is the Holocaust not taught as extensively as it was in the past? Even Gen-Xers, Millenials, born in the 70s to 80s are very familiar with Holocaust despite having no direct connection to it and being more distant from it than current Gen Y/Z are from 9/11, but when I grew up, there was extensive teaching of the Holocaust in a way that it haunted me.

The Holocaust part is just because there are so few survivors left. It's not limited to the Holocaust it's also WW2 and the Depression while WW1 has completely been forgotten about. Gen X and early millennials remember because of their grandparents. Once something gets 3-4 generations removed it stops seeming relatable.

But that's my point - I grew up in the 80s, teenager in the 90s. I didn't know any survivors, it was already 3-4 generations before my time. These kids are only 20 years out from 9/11. It doesn't explain it.

Social media is rotting their brains, I think. And their parents are, perhaps, doing a bad job of instilling knowledge and morals.

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Anonymous wrote:TikTok is largely a highly successful psyop campaign by China, which combined with a lack of rigor (from the left) and funding (from the right) in public education. When both the left and the right conspire to weaken public education, it leaves room for hostile foreign entities to take its place. Nonsense like this results.

We all of course know that most of the loud and dumb voices on TikTok supporting Bin Laden would be the first immediately executed in the radical Islamist caliphate that he envisioned, assuming they are actually normal people and not foreign paid agents. But this is a group of people without basic education. Keep in mind a lot of the loudest voices here lost 1-2 years of schooling at an absolutely critical juncture in their education.

The US doesn’t value education any more, across the board politically. This is the result.

Don't disagree, but as a Baltimore resident, I can assure you that more school funding is not the solution.

The problem is that social media has given everyone the (mistaken) idea that their opinions are worthy of being shared.

Strongly disagree. We need freely shared ideas and more critical thinking

I am OP and I used to think that. I've actually really come away thinking there is simply too much speech now. Not enough gatekeepers.

It's not the speech. It's the lack of critical thinking skills caused by devaluing the humanities. We've encouraged opinions but discouraged the disciplines that develop critical thinking and provide the context.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TikTok is largely a highly successful psyop campaign by China, which combined with a lack of rigor (from the left) and funding (from the right) in public education. When both the left and the right conspire to weaken public education, it leaves room for hostile foreign entities to take its place. Nonsense like this results.

We all of course know that most of the loud and dumb voices on TikTok supporting Bin Laden would be the first immediately executed in the radical Islamist caliphate that he envisioned, assuming they are actually normal people and not foreign paid agents. But this is a group of people without basic education. Keep in mind a lot of the loudest voices here lost 1-2 years of schooling at an absolutely critical juncture in their education.

The US doesn’t value education any more, across the board politically. This is the result.

Don't disagree, but as a Baltimore resident, I can assure you that more school funding is not the solution.

The problem is that social media has given everyone the (mistaken) idea that their opinions are worthy of being shared.

Strongly disagree. We need freely shared ideas and more critical thinking

I am OP and I used to think that. I've actually really come away thinking there is simply too much speech now. Not enough gatekeepers.

It's not the speech. It's the lack of critical thinking skills caused by devaluing the humanities. We've encouraged opinions but discouraged the disciplines that develop critical thinking and provide the context.

Kids need basic education on "how do we know what we know" critical thinking

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing to disagree with Israel's response, I do disagree. It's totally another level of mindfu$$ to acknowledge that Osama Bin Laden made sense, I mean really??? The horrors of 9/11 will forever live with me, the first responders, NYPD and so many families destroyed by that heinous act. I may not remember what I did yesterday but I remember every single thing about the day of 9/11, every.single.thing. This is the problem with getting your information from social media, typically it has no context, no history to educate you fully. Just soundbites to get more clicks.

Same, but we were there. The young adults of today were not, or were babies.

just like the young adluts today have no real touch to the Holocaust and as such don't understand why Israel is considered such a valued partner.

This is why education and history (cough for all of the STEM adherants who say humanities have no place in colleges cough) is so important.

There's something more to it. Is the Holocaust not taught as extensively as it was in the past? Even Gen-Xers, Millenials, born in the 70s to 80s are very familiar with Holocaust despite having no direct connection to it and being more distant from it than current Gen Y/Z are from 9/11, but when I grew up, there was extensive teaching of the Holocaust in a way that it haunted me.

The Holocaust part is just because there are so few survivors left. It's not limited to the Holocaust it's also WW2 and the Depression while WW1 has completely been forgotten about. Gen X and early millennials remember because of their grandparents. Once something gets 3-4 generations removed it stops seeming relatable.

But that's my point - I grew up in the 80s, teenager in the 90s. I didn't know any survivors, it was already 3-4 generations before my time. These kids are only 20 years out from 9/11. It doesn't explain it.

Sorry, should say, my grandparents didn't know this, nobody in my family talked about it. School was the only source of learning on the topic. Required reading of Weisel's Night, watching of Schindler's List, plenty more (just listing two of the things that had a lasting impression), the shock of learning 6 million people were murdered.

Yeah, I'm not saying that it was directly taught by family members. It was a broader thing. We only have about 75 years of social memory. Anything older that might as well be ancient history.

It's about to happen to the civil rights movement too.

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The danger is Osama bin Laden got followers the exact same way these Tiktokers are so swayed by him.

Evil masterminds like Hitler or OBL usually do have Influential rhetoric for young minds who don’t have parental guidance .

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This makes me sad.

My kid isn’t on TikTok but so many of their friends are. And the things they think they know are just horribly horribly wrong. Parents, wake up.

Also, the people posting these videos are probably hostile state actors taking advantage of gullible kids.

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It doesn’t help that kids like, don’t read any books published before 2010 these days. Our school teacher was hard pressed to point to a reading list for our sixth grader. Almost like she was afraid to recommend anything. What is going on?

I made the kid read the diary of Anne Frank. I doubt it will ever be assigned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TikTok is largely a highly successful psyop campaign by China, which combined with a lack of rigor (from the left) and funding (from the right) in public education. When both the left and the right conspire to weaken public education, it leaves room for hostile foreign entities to take its place. Nonsense like this results.

We all of course know that most of the loud and dumb voices on TikTok supporting Bin Laden would be the first immediately executed in the radical Islamist caliphate that he envisioned, assuming they are actually normal people and not foreign paid agents. But this is a group of people without basic education. Keep in mind a lot of the loudest voices here lost 1-2 years of schooling at an absolutely critical juncture in their education.

The US doesn’t value education any more, across the board politically. This is the result.

Don't disagree, but as a Baltimore resident, I can assure you that more school funding is not the solution.

The problem is that social media has given everyone the (mistaken) idea that their opinions are worthy of being shared.

Strongly disagree. We need freely shared ideas and more critical thinking

I am OP and I used to think that. I've actually really come away thinking there is simply too much speech now. Not enough gatekeepers.

It's not the speech. It's the lack of critical thinking skills caused by devaluing the humanities. We've encouraged opinions but discouraged the disciplines that develop critical thinking and provide the context.

Kids need basic education on "how do we know what we know" critical thinking

That's one of the many things English Lit, philosophy and civics teaches.

Honestly we also need to teach some European history again. Whether we like it or not a lot of these things tie back.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that kids like, don’t read any books published before 2010 these days. Our school teacher was hard pressed to point to a reading list for our sixth grader. Almost like she was afraid to recommend anything. What is going on?

I made the kid read the diary of Anne Frank. I doubt it will ever be assigned.

The left says everything is racist and the right says everything is woke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that kids like, don’t read any books published before 2010 these days. Our school teacher was hard pressed to point to a reading list for our sixth grader. Almost like she was afraid to recommend anything. What is going on?

I made the kid read the diary of Anne Frank. I doubt it will ever be assigned.

The left says everything is racist and the right says everything is woke.

Honestly it's hard to know what the majority of the left or right or anyone think because we've mistaken loud voices on social media as representative of a majority. What does properly conducted polling actually show? Get back to using that as a source for what people think.

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When the right wing and the radical left decide that professors shouldn't be teaching material because it will indoctrinate people or cause trauma, what are we left to do? If I were an untenured, contract faculty member I would be terrified to teach students how to think critically about OBL's letter because some student (or their parent) will complain and I would lose my job.
Then again, the STEM people who think that the humanities have no place in a college might also get rid of these professors, too.
Think, people, about what the long-term consequences of these actions are.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that kids like, don’t read any books published before 2010 these days. Our school teacher was hard pressed to point to a reading list for our sixth grader. Almost like she was afraid to recommend anything. What is going on?

I made the kid read the diary of Anne Frank. I doubt it will ever be assigned.

The left says everything is racist and the right says everything is woke.

Honestly it's hard to know what the majority of the left or right or anyone think because we've mistaken loud voices on social media as representative of a majority. What does properly conducted polling actually show? Get back to using that as a source for what people think.

^ YES. This is a huge thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help that kids like, don’t read any books published before 2010 these days. Our school teacher was hard pressed to point to a reading list for our sixth grader. Almost like she was afraid to recommend anything. What is going on?

I made the kid read the diary of Anne Frank. I doubt it will ever be assigned.

The left says everything is racist and the right says everything is woke.

Honestly it's hard to know what the majority of the left or right or anyone think because we've mistaken loud voices on social media as representative of a majority. What does properly conducted polling actually show? Get back to using that as a source for what people think.

Polling? Have you seen the state of polling today? It's all leading questions designed to get the answer whomever is funding the polling wants.

Besides, that's not how we used to do it. It used to be that a small few were considered experts and we relied on whatever they thought. Regular people didn't have opinions.

I don't mean to be a killjoy. The democratization of opinion is a good thing. But we got lazy and transactional. Twitter is easy. Debates are fun. STEM is where the money is. Teaching is just a service sector job.

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Anonymous wrote:The danger is Osama bin Laden got followers the exact same way these Tiktokers are so swayed by him.

Evil masterminds like Hitler or OBL usually do have Influential rhetoric for young minds who don’t have parental guidance .

This.

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Tiktok is owned by China.