Visiting high reaches

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Anonymous wrote:Visited Harvard. Disappointed and not impressed. It was immediately dropped from consideration. It's not a waste. Helps to narrow the list and realize things you may never have learned without an in-person visit.

Ha ha ha. I’m sure Harvard was devastated.

It really isn't for everyone. The campus is so-so. And then there are all the tourists. Harvard Square isn't what it used to be. And the school is clearly focused on its graduate programs. A visit is a good thing to do to make things clear. For a good undergrad experience, Harvard is not where it's at for a lot of smart kids. Visits are clarifying

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My engineering kid visited Cornell and wanted to like it. But just couldn't. The campus is in the middle of nowhere (we are not east coast)---the drive from Boston with stops in NY at various schools showed us it truly was middle of nowhere. They were not giving tours, were not helpful with any questions, just had a "we don't care attitude---our acceptance rate is single digits and we don't need you to apply" Did not get anyone who was helpful on the tour, the students on campus (it was summer) did not seem "happy". So for my kid, it helped make decision to not apply.
We did 10 campuses in a week, and this was by far the "worst experience" short of "Troy NY sucks and no way in Hell am I living in this town for 4 years" (I agree Ithaca is a much better college town).

My kid had a completely opposite visit. Visited Cornell last fall on a school trip for students studying hospitality. Had tours with current students and meetings with admissions officers. Peak foliage. Met professors at lunch. My kid came back so excited.

Just applied ED for the hotel admin program. 🙏

Well Cornell's Hotel Admin program is unique and top notch. While Cornell Engineering is "good", there are many many other great options that are not as cut-throat and will provide guidance to the undergrads. My kid wanted to be somewhere that wants them, not somewhere "that they should just be happy to have gotten a spot". They found that and are incredibly happy.

If they give you a spot, doesn't it mean they want you? Nice way to say you couldn't get in

kid did not apply as they didn't like the school. Who knows if they could have gotten in. They had the resume for a lottery ticket, but we all know with single digit acceptance rates, it's a lottery for everyone. They saved their "lottery tickets" for 3 other schools they actually liked in the T25

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Highly selective schools often have the most intensive applications, with lots of supplements. If visiting allows your kid to cross some of them off the list and not spend time and energy on those applications (or to identify the one or two they really like and want to focus on) it’s worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Highly selective schools often have the most intensive applications, with lots of supplements. If visiting allows your kid to cross some of them off the list and not spend time and energy on those applications (or to identify the one or two they really like and want to focus on) it’s worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

and yet those who got in the ivies are Nigerian doctor’s kids and Obama’s daughters instead of kids you mentioned. When are we gonna stop lying about “equity “?

Even if those kids don't get into Yale or Harvard, it is THOSE kids who have life stacked against them. Majority of kids on DCUM (ie parents posting on DCUM) are privileged and don't really know what it's like to experience a rough, challenging life and to have the deck of life stacked against them. the fact their parent is concerned about what college they attend shows they have the support to go far in life.

So what’s wrong for PP to claim the unfair disadvantage by ivies? Only one group of people can be disadvantaged?

The PP would be much happier in life if they were not so obsessed with "unfair advantage for the disadvantaged" Even if Harvard and Yale did not focus on increasing "disadvantaged attendance", your privileged kid still would only have a single digit chance of acceptance. Not like changing that will give everyone a 30-40% chance.

And no, a rich/UMC kid whose parents both attended college and are concerned with getting them into a T20 school is not really "disadvantaged" in life. Anymore so than their kid is disadvantaged that they have to drive a Honda instead of a Tesla.

No one on this thread is obsessed but you.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

and yet those who got in the ivies are Nigerian doctor’s kids and Obama’s daughters instead of kids you mentioned. When are we gonna stop lying about “equity “?

Even if those kids don't get into Yale or Harvard, it is THOSE kids who have life stacked against them. Majority of kids on DCUM (ie parents posting on DCUM) are privileged and don't really know what it's like to experience a rough, challenging life and to have the deck of life stacked against them. the fact their parent is concerned about what college they attend shows they have the support to go far in life.

So what’s wrong for PP to claim the unfair disadvantage by ivies? Only one group of people can be disadvantaged?

Just because American college admissions isn’t like college admissions in your country of origin doesn’t make it “unfair”.

I’m an American.

You may be, but that is the psychology behind the argument.

What’s so special about American college admissions? Racist?

You can engage in wordplay all you want, but to say an Asian student applying to college is “disadvantaged” or has the “deck stacked against them” is absurd and lacking in insight and almost insensitive when compared to kids who really have the deck stacked against them. I would include in that group recent child migrants who have no idea how difficult life will be for them as undocumented people.

Wow, talk about racial stereotyping here. All Asians are rich and have tiger parents? All blacks are poor and come from generational poverty?

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

and yet those who got in the ivies are Nigerian doctor’s kids and Obama’s daughters instead of kids you mentioned. When are we gonna stop lying about “equity “?

Even if those kids don't get into Yale or Harvard, it is THOSE kids who have life stacked against them. Majority of kids on DCUM (ie parents posting on DCUM) are privileged and don't really know what it's like to experience a rough, challenging life and to have the deck of life stacked against them. the fact their parent is concerned about what college they attend shows they have the support to go far in life.

So what’s wrong for PP to claim the unfair disadvantage by ivies? Only one group of people can be disadvantaged?

Just because American college admissions isn’t like college admissions in your country of origin doesn’t make it “unfair”.

I’m an American.

You may be, but that is the psychology behind the argument.

What’s so special about American college admissions? Racist?

You can engage in wordplay all you want, but to say an Asian student applying to college is “disadvantaged” or has the “deck stacked against them” is absurd and lacking in insight and almost insensitive when compared to kids who really have the deck stacked against them. I would include in that group recent child migrants who have no idea how difficult life will be for them as undocumented people.

Wow, talk about racial stereotyping here. All Asians are rich and have tiger parents? All blacks are poor and come from generational poverty?

No, I live in NYC. I know who these parents are and I know their demographics. And no, I don't think all blacks are poor and come from generational poverty. My DH is POC and my FIL was an MD. But thank you for playing!

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

and yet those who got in the ivies are Nigerian doctor’s kids and Obama’s daughters instead of kids you mentioned. When are we gonna stop lying about “equity “?

Even if those kids don't get into Yale or Harvard, it is THOSE kids who have life stacked against them. Majority of kids on DCUM (ie parents posting on DCUM) are privileged and don't really know what it's like to experience a rough, challenging life and to have the deck of life stacked against them. the fact their parent is concerned about what college they attend shows they have the support to go far in life.

So what’s wrong for PP to claim the unfair disadvantage by ivies? Only one group of people can be disadvantaged?

Just because American college admissions isn’t like college admissions in your country of origin doesn’t make it “unfair”.

I’m an American.

You may be, but that is the psychology behind the argument.

What’s so special about American college admissions? Racist?

You can engage in wordplay all you want, but to say an Asian student applying to college is “disadvantaged” or has the “deck stacked against them” is absurd and lacking in insight and almost insensitive when compared to kids who really have the deck stacked against them. I would include in that group recent child migrants who have no idea how difficult life will be for them as undocumented people.

Wow, talk about racial stereotyping here. All Asians are rich and have tiger parents? All blacks are poor and come from generational poverty?

No, I live in NYC. I know who these parents are and I know their demographics. And no, I don't think all blacks are poor and come from generational poverty. My DH is POC and my FIL was an MD. But thank you for playing!

So if you live in NYC you are aware that Asians have the highest poverty rate out of all racial groups in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

and yet those who got in the ivies are Nigerian doctor’s kids and Obama’s daughters instead of kids you mentioned. When are we gonna stop lying about “equity “?

Even if those kids don't get into Yale or Harvard, it is THOSE kids who have life stacked against them. Majority of kids on DCUM (ie parents posting on DCUM) are privileged and don't really know what it's like to experience a rough, challenging life and to have the deck of life stacked against them. the fact their parent is concerned about what college they attend shows they have the support to go far in life.

So what’s wrong for PP to claim the unfair disadvantage by ivies? Only one group of people can be disadvantaged?

Just because American college admissions isn’t like college admissions in your country of origin doesn’t make it “unfair”.

I’m an American.

You may be, but that is the psychology behind the argument.

What’s so special about American college admissions? Racist?

You can engage in wordplay all you want, but to say an Asian student applying to college is “disadvantaged” or has the “deck stacked against them” is absurd and lacking in insight and almost insensitive when compared to kids who really have the deck stacked against them. I would include in that group recent child migrants who have no idea how difficult life will be for them as undocumented people.

Wow, talk about racial stereotyping here. All Asians are rich and have tiger parents? All blacks are poor and come from generational poverty?

DP. Stop trying to extrapolate extreme bias. You sound like a cheap political commercial.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

and yet those who got in the ivies are Nigerian doctor’s kids and Obama’s daughters instead of kids you mentioned. When are we gonna stop lying about “equity “?

Even if those kids don't get into Yale or Harvard, it is THOSE kids who have life stacked against them. Majority of kids on DCUM (ie parents posting on DCUM) are privileged and don't really know what it's like to experience a rough, challenging life and to have the deck of life stacked against them. the fact their parent is concerned about what college they attend shows they have the support to go far in life.

So what’s wrong for PP to claim the unfair disadvantage by ivies? Only one group of people can be disadvantaged?

Just because American college admissions isn’t like college admissions in your country of origin doesn’t make it “unfair”.

I’m an American.

You may be, but that is the psychology behind the argument.

What’s so special about American college admissions? Racist?

You can engage in wordplay all you want, but to say an Asian student applying to college is “disadvantaged” or has the “deck stacked against them” is absurd and lacking in insight and almost insensitive when compared to kids who really have the deck stacked against them. I would include in that group recent child migrants who have no idea how difficult life will be for them as undocumented people.

Wow, talk about racial stereotyping here. All Asians are rich and have tiger parents? All blacks are poor and come from generational poverty?

No, I live in NYC. I know who these parents are and I know their demographics. And no, I don't think all blacks are poor and come from generational poverty. My DH is POC and my FIL was an MD. But thank you for playing!

So if you live in NYC you are aware that Asians have the highest poverty rate out of all racial groups in NYC.

Not true.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but think it's a waste of time and money. Thoughts?

It most certainly is a waste as odds are soooo low. Accepted student's weekend is useful. However, if you travel for fun anyways then some of these college towns can be worth exploring jyst for the heck of it.

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Just sample different types of schools, one ivy, one state flagship, one regional public school, one non-ivy T 20, one local private school and one liberal arts college. It should give you some idea about commonalties, differences and personal preferences.

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^ if you must but don't have to

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

This. The number of seats implicated by affirmative action policies at selective universities was truly miniscule. People who are expecting vastly different outcomes for their students as a result of the Supreme Court decision are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:I also think there is value to a kid seeing that some of these places are not “all that.”

Mine for example, did not like Harvard or Princeton.

Which was…eh…fortunate.

😂

This is a good perspective, and one that I will use as well. Nice to have comparisons based in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to a few ivies because the DDs school admissions officer thought she should and DD decided that she didn’t like the vibe, or the size, and didn’t apply to any Ivies. Asian kid, 1 year pre Supreme Court decision, so the deck was stacked again and she really didn’t stand a chance. Better for her that she didn’t set her heart on it. So visiting some Ivies WAS helpful, in a backwards way.

Your child doesn’t have the deck stacked against her. Going to Binghamton instead of Yale isn’t a hardship. There are kids who really have the deck stacked against them - born into generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure. Just stop already.

This. The number of seats implicated by affirmative action policies at selective universities was truly miniscule. People who are expecting vastly different outcomes for their students as a result of the Supreme Court decision are delusional.

I am the PP who said I was relieved that my daughter didn’t feel compelled to go to an Ivy because she didn’t really like them. I do not believe that Ivy seats that were not given to Asian students were given to those born into “generational poverty, a parent with substance abuse, a parent incarcerated, violent homes/communities, homeless, food insecure.” June could be they just went to the children of Z list parents. And BTW congratulations on having an in law who is a person of color and is also a doctor. That makes you an expert on just about everything, I assume.