Dog training in crisis

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Anonymous wrote:We use a prong collar with rubber tips. It’s only on for walks and has a quicl release jic. Ours is a larger breed puppy and she’s much safer with this than the harness which did nothing to slow her down. I’d much rather the occasional easily corrected pinch than both of us being pulled into traffic. We DO use positive reinforcement as well and training. Both are needed with some dogs. When she’s older we can go back to the martingale.

Op here Please. Do you think it is ok to "occasionally" hit your kid?

Are you a parent of a human child? Or just a fur mom? Really asking.

Op here. I am not my dog's parent. But I am his guardian. Yes, I have kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We use a prong collar with rubber tips. It’s only on for walks and has a quicl release jic. Ours is a larger breed puppy and she’s much safer with this than the harness which did nothing to slow her down. I’d much rather the occasional easily corrected pinch than both of us being pulled into traffic. We DO use positive reinforcement as well and training. Both are needed with some dogs. When she’s older we can go back to the martingale.

Op here Please. Do you think it is ok to "occasionally" hit your kid?

I’m sorry you’re unfulfilled.

Op here. Pp come back to discuss after your homework is done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Encourage them to get dog training. My retired parents adopted a very energetic chow retriever who pulled my mother down on walks and I was really worried that they would have to return him. It was dangerous for her to walk him. He would also get excited when I visited and nearly knock me down at the door. They were his 3rd home at 2 years old.

My parents instead went and took training classes at Pet Smart. They both went and worked really hard to understand the dog and get to a good place where he became a good and safe walker no matter who was walking him. No choke or prong collar was needed. He turned out to be one the best dogs by the time training was done. It took a lot of patience but it was definitely worth the investment.

Op here. .. That is really great to hear about your parents! Problem is these friends have gone to trainers and they believe this is the only way. This is one of the reason some people get smaller dogs when they are older. To avoid being pulled down.

I agree Zak George isn't perfect but, he does correct if you watch his videos closely. He rewards when the dog makes the better choice. Then the dog wants to make the correct choice! My dog is living proof of that. Granted it is taking more time but, I think we expect too much from our dogs too soon. That was the point of this thread. People expect dogs to be this cuddly thing to use when they are lonely or sad but, heaven forbid they don't learn something right away or have more needs than we are willing to give. What I have learned if I am teaching my dog something and he doesn't get it that it is usually my fault because I did not communicate clearly.

Btw, my mutt and I got our AKC novice certificate! Not so humble brag!

Good for you, OP.

What you are ignoring is that dogs are animals and can be dangerous. Taking longer to get a dog to be safe - that's a bad and dangerous way to go about in the world.

Op here: Please elaborate. So, again I am going to use the children as example. If you newborn couldn't sit up would you force it? That's what I mean to "take it slow" My neighborhood is very chaotic and in time he will be able to walk it but, for now I take him places where the sidewalks are wide and we see fewer people. What's wrong with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Encourage them to get dog training. My retired parents adopted a very energetic chow retriever who pulled my mother down on walks and I was really worried that they would have to return him. It was dangerous for her to walk him. He would also get excited when I visited and nearly knock me down at the door. They were his 3rd home at 2 years old.

My parents instead went and took training classes at Pet Smart. They both went and worked really hard to understand the dog and get to a good place where he became a good and safe walker no matter who was walking him. No choke or prong collar was needed. He turned out to be one the best dogs by the time training was done. It took a lot of patience but it was definitely worth the investment.

Op here. .. That is really great to hear about your parents! Problem is these friends have gone to trainers and they believe this is the only way. This is one of the reason some people get smaller dogs when they are older. To avoid being pulled down.

I agree Zak George isn't perfect but, he does correct if you watch his videos closely. He rewards when the dog makes the better choice. Then the dog wants to make the correct choice! My dog is living proof of that. Granted it is taking more time but, I think we expect too much from our dogs too soon. That was the point of this thread. People expect dogs to be this cuddly thing to use when they are lonely or sad but, heaven forbid they don't learn something right away or have more needs than we are willing to give. What I have learned if I am teaching my dog something and he doesn't get it that it is usually my fault because I did not communicate clearly.

Btw, my mutt and I got our AKC novice certificate! Not so humble brag!

Good for you, OP.

What you are ignoring is that dogs are animals and can be dangerous. Taking longer to get a dog to be safe - that's a bad and dangerous way to go about in the world.

Op here: Please elaborate. So, again I am going to use the children as example. If you newborn couldn't sit up would you force it? That's what I mean to "take it slow" My neighborhood is very chaotic and in time he will be able to walk it but, for now I take him places where the sidewalks are wide and we see fewer people. What's wrong with that?

Stop anthropomorphizing it's - a) wrong and b) only serves to project to everyone else how clueless you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Encourage them to get dog training. My retired parents adopted a very energetic chow retriever who pulled my mother down on walks and I was really worried that they would have to return him. It was dangerous for her to walk him. He would also get excited when I visited and nearly knock me down at the door. They were his 3rd home at 2 years old.

My parents instead went and took training classes at Pet Smart. They both went and worked really hard to understand the dog and get to a good place where he became a good and safe walker no matter who was walking him. No choke or prong collar was needed. He turned out to be one the best dogs by the time training was done. It took a lot of patience but it was definitely worth the investment.

Op here. .. That is really great to hear about your parents! Problem is these friends have gone to trainers and they believe this is the only way. This is one of the reason some people get smaller dogs when they are older. To avoid being pulled down.

I agree Zak George isn't perfect but, he does correct if you watch his videos closely. He rewards when the dog makes the better choice. Then the dog wants to make the correct choice! My dog is living proof of that. Granted it is taking more time but, I think we expect too much from our dogs too soon. That was the point of this thread. People expect dogs to be this cuddly thing to use when they are lonely or sad but, heaven forbid they don't learn something right away or have more needs than we are willing to give. What I have learned if I am teaching my dog something and he doesn't get it that it is usually my fault because I did not communicate clearly.

Btw, my mutt and I got our AKC novice certificate! Not so humble brag!

Good for you, OP.

What you are ignoring is that dogs are animals and can be dangerous. Taking longer to get a dog to be safe - that's a bad and dangerous way to go about in the world.

Op here: Please elaborate. So, again I am going to use the children as example. If you newborn couldn't sit up would you force it? That's what I mean to "take it slow" My neighborhood is very chaotic and in time he will be able to walk it but, for now I take him places where the sidewalks are wide and we see fewer people. What's wrong with that?

Stop anthropomorphizing it's - a) wrong and b) only serves to project to everyone else how clueless you are.

Op I totally disagree that what I am doing is "anthropomorphizing" my dog. And I dare you find any evidence. Instead this is how I treat my dog ( with pictures for those in the back)

https://www.wikihow.com/Treat-Your-Dog

[Anonymous]

Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

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op here. The bolded is your problem. You don't think.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

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op here. The bolded is your problem. You don't think.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars

OP, you have succeeded in rescuing this dog's throat and also making him miserable from his snoot loop. You've done your good deed. Now you can pat yourself on your back. But don't watch the dog being walked, the dog's misery will hurt your eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

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op here. The bolded is your problem. You don't think.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars

OP, you have succeeded in rescuing this dog's throat and also making him miserable from his snoot loop. You've done your good deed. Now you can pat yourself on your back. But don't watch the dog being walked, the dog's misery will hurt your eyes.

Op here. I have done nothing. The owners of the dog chose this method. They just told me. Why do you think I am responsible? And i will never go walking with them as we are friends but dont live close enough. I was updating people. Sorry you were triggered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

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op here. The bolded is your problem. You don't think.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars

Like I said, there is equal risk of injury using a head collar. It isn't better. You seem to have a problem. Maybe the head collar pleases your sense of aesthetics, but wrenching a dog's neck sideways isn't really a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

\

op here. The bolded is your problem. You don't think.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars

Like I said, there is equal risk of injury using a head collar. It isn't better. You seem to have a problem. Maybe the head collar pleases your sense of aesthetics, but wrenching a dog's neck sideways isn't really a good idea.

Oh here I am NOT the owner and have zero contril of what they use

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here with a happy update

I saw my friends and they stopped using the choke collar! They are finding success with the gentle leader. They agreed that I was right and they never liked to use the choke collar.

All is good

A choke chain or prong collar is kinder to the dog than the gentle (not) leader.

Poor dog.

Thats your opinion. Prong collars damages the throat.

Different poster. There is a very real possibility of injury to the dog's neck using a head collar of any type. Consider for a minute the mechanism by which they work and you will see what I mean. If that doesn't work, a quick Google search will clarify. Everyone has to make choices based on their needs and the level of risk they are willing to assume. I don't think a properly fitted prong used as directed by a decent trainer would be a worse choice than a head collar.

\

op here. The bolded is your problem. You don't think.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/prongcollars

Like I said, there is equal risk of injury using a head collar. It isn't better. You seem to have a problem. Maybe the head collar pleases your sense of aesthetics, but wrenching a dog's neck sideways isn't really a good idea.

Oh here I am NOT the owner and have zero contril of what they use

Op here