When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess

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Anonymous wrote:IDEA has got to be changed. This is not sustainable

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OP I am sorry this happened to your daughter. Document, escalate and persist so that your daughter is safe.

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Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.

Np most of these violent students are not special needs but they’re being treated like they have special needs. They’re either not disciplined at all at home or they are victims/witnesses to domestic violence.

I remember such kids spending time in juvenile detention center schools.

We're talking about kindergarten here.

It's always hard to interpret these threads. "Violent" behavior is a spectrum. Some level of physical behavior is developmentally expected at kindergarten. That's not to say it is acceptable or appropriate for the situation, but people do need to have realistic expectations.

There are certainly situations where the behavior is not developmentally expected, either in terms of the level of aggression or the frequency. At the k/lower elementary level, those are usually kids with developmental disabilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the progressive mantra is that all people are entitled to a mainstream education so those at the bottom behaviorally or intellectually can have good examples and be pulled up. The losers, of course, are the stable and focused kids.

My Republican friend, it is a law so progressive or not, you are supposed to follow it. I understand sometimes your party and its leaders choose not to follow laws, but most people don’t like jail.

I’m not a Republican. I’m also stating facts. Congratulations on the ad hominem attack. Did you have anything substantive to add? The fact this was codified into law was a result of the mantra. This does hurt certain populations, but because we feel they can suffer, we let it go.

No you are not. The FACT is more kids are born with autism than before. The FACT is the law was in place to help sped families of all varieties. The FACT is we have more violent kids who need a different kind of service and iDEA hasn’t kept up with the rising rates of emotional disorders or adhd or autism.
The FaCT is that the latest iteration of the law was revisited in 2004 as part of no child left behind- the one w started. It needs to be revised again, but claiming progressive thinking did it is NOT Factual.

There are no significant problems with the federal law, which simply says you have to provide an appropriate education to kids with disabilities, along with procedural safeguards so parents can protect the rights of their children.

The problem is that school districts aren't doing that.

The significant problem with the federal law is that it's not fully funded, or even majority funded in most cases, at the federal level. Expecting school districts to make up the difference is unfair to everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IDEA has got to be changed. This is not sustainable

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OP I am sorry this happened to your daughter. Document, escalate and persist so that your daughter is safe.

And file a police report each and every time your child is assaulted. Encourage other parents to do so as well.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck is wrong with schools?! Is there some reason we can't open more for disciplinary issues? There's a lot of focus on special needs and also gifted kids, but what about the ones who are violent?

What is wrong with the parents sending a kid not ready to be in a social environment without intensive supervision? Maybe schools establish a base-level set of requirements around behavior….. fully potty trained, not aggressive towards others? Until parents reach that a child is in home-school or a private setting?

It seems unreasonable to demand that schools address this kind of behavior. The demand upon schools to raise children is just too much.

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Anonymous wrote:100% have the school move your child to a different class. The kid who hurt her will disrupt the class, monopolize the teacher’s attention, and take away from everyone’s ability to feel safe and learn all year. The system protects the perpetrator not the victims.

This is sadly true.
Signed a teachers

But they will not move OPs child because every parent wants their kid out of that class.

I've seen injured kids moved to other classrooms-especially if the parent gets loud.
-teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IDEA has got to be changed. This is not sustainable

+1

OP I am sorry this happened to your daughter. Document, escalate and persist so that your daughter is safe.

And, prepare your daughter to establish and respond with clear boundaries, which will serve her for life.

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Anonymous wrote:The school is saying this student is dealing with anger management issues and that this is not the first classmate incident. They are monitoring the situation. Teacher profusely apologized and admitted she is struggling to retain control of the student. I have about a million emotions going at the same time.

This sounds a lot like what FCPS has been allowing to go on at Forest Edge elementary school:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1156966.page

I'm an FCPS teacher this is happening all over the county.

Read the teachers subreddit. It’s universal. Violent kids who face no consequences and teachers who get zero support from their administrators. It’s ubiquitous. And depressing. I have no idea how this will change.

There are many reasons teachers are leaving but the behavior is one of the biggest. Teachers can't do their jobs and the other students can't learn. Also who wants to come to work and get kicked and scratched every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, I have not read all the replies here so I may be repeating something that’s already been suggested…
OP, reach out to the other parents in the class. This is effecting all of the children in that classroom. You all need to take your concerns to the administration. You want to know what specifically is being done to support the teacher and this child. What can you, as parents, do? Set up a volunteer calendar so that there is always another adult in the room? If that isn’t feasible the parents need to demand that non-classroom
staff be reassigned to provide direct support while the school works through whatever process they need to. Organize and then hold the administration accountable.

Why not hold the child’s parents accountable? They can make the parents sit in school with their kids.

lol. Schools won't even *let* the parents bring in support.

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Anonymous wrote:Not acceptable.

+1 not acceptable at all. Can't imagine a school system and administrators that would think otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck is wrong with schools?! Is there some reason we can't open more for disciplinary issues? There's a lot of focus on special needs and also gifted kids, but what about the ones who are violent?

What is wrong with the parents sending a kid not ready to be in a social environment without intensive supervision? Maybe schools establish a base-level set of requirements around behavior….. fully potty trained, not aggressive towards others? Until parents reach that a child is in home-school or a private setting?

It seems unreasonable to demand that schools address this kind of behavior. The demand upon schools to raise children is just too much.

Because as a society we've moved beyond warehousing people with disabilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the progressive mantra is that all people are entitled to a mainstream education so those at the bottom behaviorally or intellectually can have good examples and be pulled up. The losers, of course, are the stable and focused kids.

My Republican friend, it is a law so progressive or not, you are supposed to follow it. I understand sometimes your party and its leaders choose not to follow laws, but most people don’t like jail.

I’m not a Republican. I’m also stating facts. Congratulations on the ad hominem attack. Did you have anything substantive to add? The fact this was codified into law was a result of the mantra. This does hurt certain populations, but because we feel they can suffer, we let it go.

No you are not. The FACT is more kids are born with autism than before. The FACT is the law was in place to help sped families of all varieties. The FACT is we have more violent kids who need a different kind of service and iDEA hasn’t kept up with the rising rates of emotional disorders or adhd or autism.
The FaCT is that the latest iteration of the law was revisited in 2004 as part of no child left behind- the one w started. It needs to be revised again, but claiming progressive thinking did it is NOT Factual.

There are no significant problems with the federal law, which simply says you have to provide an appropriate education to kids with disabilities, along with procedural safeguards so parents can protect the rights of their children.

The problem is that school districts aren't doing that.

The significant problem with the federal law is that it's not fully funded, or even majority funded in most cases, at the federal level. Expecting school districts to make up the difference is unfair to everyone.

I don't understand this. Why would it be better for the funds to come from federal tax dollars instead of state/local tax dollars? The money ultimately comes from the same place.

Realistically, Congress is a s#!t show, so it makes more sense to focus on local funding sources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.

So go to the school board and your county/state reps and tell them to increase funding and/or reprioritize current educational spending. PTAs and teachers unions regularly lobby for spending, but they've been historically quiet on special education.

This is the way. PTAs and teachers unions have no power to change a federal law. The spending is one part of it. The other part is that parents should not be allowed to override placement decisions if a student has been violent or threatened violence-- and what reasonably constitutes "violence" should not be up to police or even school boards to decide. It should be decided by the people who spend 35 hours per week with the student and are actually subjected to the behaviors.

A law put into place without adequate funding is unlikely to have good outcomes. It sometimes feels like an underhanded effort by some politicians to demand more and more from public schools and then to underfund and overburden them to create unsustainable and untenable conditions. Thus creating demand for private institutions to step in when entities struggle.

Lots of examples with education, public transit, health care.
Get in early to buy stock in the private entities……

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.

So go to the school board and your county/state reps and tell them to increase funding and/or reprioritize current educational spending. PTAs and teachers unions regularly lobby for spending, but they've been historically quiet on special education.

This is the way. PTAs and teachers unions have no power to change a federal law. The spending is one part of it. The other part is that parents should not be allowed to override placement decisions if a student has been violent or threatened violence-- and what reasonably constitutes "violence" should not be up to police or even school boards to decide. It should be decided by the people who spend 35 hours per week with the student and are actually subjected to the behaviors.

A law put into place without adequate funding is unlikely to have good outcomes. It sometimes feels like an underhanded effort by some politicians to demand more and more from public schools and then to underfund and overburden them to create unsustainable and untenable conditions. Thus creating demand for private institutions to step in when entities struggle.

Lots of examples with education, public transit, health care.
Get in early to buy stock in the private entities……

Schools were supposed to be educating students with special needs even before IDEA. Parents often just didn't have recourse when schools were failing their obligations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.

So go to the school board and your county/state reps and tell them to increase funding and/or reprioritize current educational spending. PTAs and teachers unions regularly lobby for spending, but they've been historically quiet on special education.

This is the way. PTAs and teachers unions have no power to change a federal law. The spending is one part of it. The other part is that parents should not be allowed to override placement decisions if a student has been violent or threatened violence-- and what reasonably constitutes "violence" should not be up to police or even school boards to decide. It should be decided by the people who spend 35 hours per week with the student and are actually subjected to the behaviors.

BINGO! This is why I will not go back to SPED. I had a situation where the parents of an out of control physically aggressive student was in the drivers seat. After all the staff injuries the student is still in general education. I guess we wait till someone gets seriously hurt.