Changes to UVA's Business Program/McIntire School of Commerce

[Anonymous]

UVA is being smart about this. Studies have shown that between 60 and 80 percent of all students change their major at least once (mine included!) so direct admit programs result in too many kids transferring out.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is very prestigious.

Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you major in Econ and minor in business the assumption will be you didn’t get in to McIntyre. How is that helpful?

It is already like that. Many, if not most, econ majors at UVa are comm school rejects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Attending UVA remains a gamble; however, the difference lies in learning your fate in the first year instead of the second, unlike schools such as VT or Kelley, which offer direct admission.

True.

Still, this is a good change.

Kids who didn’t get into the Commerce school will have more time to pursue an alternative, whether that’s a business minor or transfer to another business school (VT, JMU, etc.).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First year, not freshman

No, it’s freshman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They've always had minors. Ask me how I know!

How do you know?

[Anonymous]

Yes, however, the general business minor is new. So are MBI certificate and commerce micro courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

UVA is being smart about this. Studies have shown that between 60 and 80 percent of all students change their major at least once (mine included!) so direct admit programs result in too many kids transferring out.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

Michigan has direct admission to Ross and a 97% retention rate. If a student changes their mind, there are dozens of highly ranked departments they can choose from. I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically if you major in Econ and minor in business the assumption will be you didn’t get in to McIntyre. How is that helpful?

The outcome of students following the Econ major route is very similar to those who get into McIntire. Kids have their IB and consulting internships lined up prior to getting admitted to McIntire (this will change with moving to earlier admittance )

[Anonymous]

I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

If your assumption was correct, why didn't they move to a 4 yr program?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

UVA is being smart about this. Studies have shown that between 60 and 80 percent of all students change their major at least once (mine included!) so direct admit programs result in too many kids transferring out.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

Michigan has direct admission to Ross and a 97% retention rate. If a student changes their mind, there are dozens of highly ranked departments they can choose from. I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

Hard to know if that's because it's hard on the student if they want to switch. If it's between sticking it out in Ross and staying for a 5th year, I think many students would stay put and minor in that other area of interest. Budgets don't always allow a 5th year of undergrad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

UVA is being smart about this. Studies have shown that between 60 and 80 percent of all students change their major at least once (mine included!) so direct admit programs result in too many kids transferring out.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

Michigan has direct admission to Ross and a 97% retention rate. If a student changes their mind, there are dozens of highly ranked departments they can choose from. I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

UVA retention rate is also 97%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

UVA is being smart about this.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

Michigan has direct admission to Ross and a 97% retention rate. If a student changes their mind, there are dozens of highly ranked departments they can choose from. I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

UVA retention rate is also 97%

That’s the point. Would it still have that high retention rate if direct admits to McIntire decided to change majors? It appears UVA is concerned about that from the above statement.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

UVA is being smart about this. Studies have shown that between 60 and 80 percent of all students change their major at least once (mine included!) so direct admit programs result in too many kids transferring out.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

Michigan has direct admission to Ross and a 97% retention rate. If a student changes their mind, there are dozens of highly ranked departments they can choose from. I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

UVA is being smart about this. Studies have shown that between 60 and 80 percent of all students change their major at least once (mine included!) so direct admit programs result in too many kids transferring out.

We attended a McIntire session last week and this was one of the reasons cited. Very few 18yr olds actually know what they want to study. I appreciate that the school included student suggestions when it made the change. Basically, some firms (IB) have a 2 yr hiring cycle so students were interviewing (and still getting hired BTW) for those jobs before McIntire decisions dropped. Also, students who weren't accepted, had to pivot but had business pre-reqs which didn't easily transfer to other departments. My kid didn't like direct admit programs and appreciates the opportunity to explore interests. If she doesn't get accepted to McIntire, UVA offers plenty of other options that interest her. Our neighbor's son wanted a direct admit program and chose Pamplin at VT. Both kids are happy with their choices and will be just fine. Once again, VA residents have excellent choices.

Michigan has direct admission to Ross and a 97% retention rate. If a student changes their mind, there are dozens of highly ranked departments they can choose from. I think the reality is that UVA is more concerned that it will lose students to other schools if they decide business isn’t for them.

No.

That’s fine. Then they should go with direct admit.